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17th century shipwreck found off Swedish coast
Associated Press ^ | November 16, 2011 | Malin Rising

Posted on 11/17/2011 6:59:33 AM PST by decimon

STOCKHOLM (AP) — A shipwreck discovered in the murky waters of the Baltic Sea is believed to be a legendary 17th century warship whose captain went down with it in battle rather than surrender to the enemy.

Deep Sea Productions, an underwater research team, said Wednesday it believes the 25-meter (82-feet) wooden wreck it found off the island of Oland this summer is the ship Svardet, which sank when Sweden was defeated by a Danish-Dutch fleet in a 1676 naval battle.

Malcolm Dixelius, a member of the research team, said that wood samples show the wreck is from the 17th century. He also said the stern of the ship is missing, which is consistent with historical reports that Svardet went under after a fire and explosion at the stern.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: denmark; dontgiveuptheship; godsgravesglyphs; hanseaticleague; netherlands; svardet; sweden

1 posted on 11/17/2011 6:59:36 AM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

To the sea in ships ping.


2 posted on 11/17/2011 7:00:08 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

An explosion at the rear of the ship? Herring.....they were cooking herring and they blew the ship up. How do you explain that to the king? Best to go down with the ship.


3 posted on 11/17/2011 7:23:29 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Was it red herring?


4 posted on 11/17/2011 7:30:14 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: commish

Stinkin’ communist herring. “Fish of the world unite!”


5 posted on 11/17/2011 7:36:44 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: decimon
...found it between the Swedish islands Gotland and Oland at a depth of between 50 and 100 meters, surrounded by the hundreds of canons it carried when it went under.

Hundreds of cannons?

No wonder it sank.

6 posted on 11/17/2011 12:11:25 PM PST by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: Rudder

I didn’t notice the spelling of ‘canon.’ Maybe they were very religious. ;-)


7 posted on 11/17/2011 5:11:30 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks decimon. Hanseatic League ping.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


8 posted on 11/17/2011 5:17:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: decimon

Oh to be young again.

Being involved in such discoveries would be so darn sweet.


9 posted on 11/17/2011 5:25:58 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012.“I’ve got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: decimon; All

“17th century warship whose captain went down with it ...”

Surely an ancestor of MINE! If they find treasure I claim it for my booty.


10 posted on 11/17/2011 5:53:19 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: decimon
...the spelling of ‘canon.’ Maybe they were very religious. ;-)

Hugh Betcha, I missed that.

'Careless with the canons'...Is this a story?

11 posted on 11/17/2011 6:55:25 PM PST by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: decimon

For the last time, I wasn’t at the helm!


12 posted on 11/17/2011 9:46:33 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: Altariel

The helm you say!


13 posted on 11/18/2011 6:23:11 AM PST by Bigg Red (Maryland girl on the Cain Train)
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv
According to Wiki, the Svardot was set on fire by a fire ship. This painting shows the Swedish flagship exploding after it foundered at the outset of the battle. Svardot is shown surrounded by allied ships.

The flagship, Kronen, was the largest ship in the Swedish navy at the time and was armed with 126 guns. So, the story of "hundreds" of cannon is in doubt, unless they were counting cannon from other sunk ships. According to Wiki the Swedes lost five ships to sinking while the allies only lost the one ship they fired.


14 posted on 11/18/2011 2:25:42 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Thanks colorado tanker.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 7:37:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
You're welcome.

The Kronen story was interesting too. They carried too much canvas and tried too sharp of a turn, which listed the ship so badly water came in through the gun ports. The ship then listed even worse which allowed fires to get to the powder magazine.

Not a good way to start a battle - lose your flagship to bad seamanship instead of enemy fire.

16 posted on 11/20/2011 1:13:09 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Is the Kronen explosion that resulted in the Swedish sailor getting blown a ways up into the air, and some distance, landing more or less safely in the sails of another crafft?


17 posted on 11/20/2011 5:45:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t know whether that happened in the Kronen explosion or not. I tend to doubt it though because it was over on its side when it blew.


18 posted on 11/21/2011 6:15:28 PM PST by colorado tanker
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