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Weekly Gardening Thread 2011 (Vol. 45) November 18
Free Republic | 11-18-2011 | Red_Devil 232

Posted on 11/18/2011 5:11:32 AM PST by Red_Devil 232

Good morning gardeners. Thanksgiving is next week and I hope all Freepers enjoy a bountiful feast with family and friends. Don’t forget to give thanks, it can turn a meal into a feast.

A reminder for those of you who have a frozen turkey, for every 4 pounds of turkey it will take a day to thaw in the refrigerator. A 20-pound turkey will take 5 days so you need to start defrosting it tomorrow. If your turkey will not fit into your fridge defrost it in an ice chest with ice.

If the turkey is allowed to thaw at a temperature above 40 ºF, any harmful bacteria that may have been present before freezing can begin to grow again unless proper thawing methods are used.

You can also thaw it in a cold-water bath. Allow about 30 minutes per pound when thawing a turkey in cold water. A 20-pound turkey will take 10 hours using this method. Be sure to change the water often. Turkeys thawed by the cold-water method should be cooked immediately because conditions were not temperature controlled.

Ok Freepers this means no thawing of the turkey on the back porch or in the trunk of your car!

If you are a gardener or you are just starting out and are in need of advice or just encouragement please feel free to join in and enjoy the friendly discussion. Our Freeper community is full of gardeners, each with varying interests and skill levels from Master Gardener to novice.


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1 posted on 11/18/2011 5:11:34 AM PST by Red_Devil 232
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; billhilly; Alkhin; ...
Ping to the Weekly Gardening Ping List.

I hope all of you will stop by.

This is typically a low volume ping list. Once a week for the thread and every once in a while for other FR threads posted that might be of interest.

If you would like to be added to or removed from the list please let me know by FreepMail or by posting to me.

2 posted on 11/18/2011 5:13:11 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Almost IBTP.


3 posted on 11/18/2011 5:14:50 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

My collards are doing great, btw.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 5:15:31 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Red_Devil 232

2012 seed catalogs are arriving...check your mailboxes.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 5:21:04 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

“Don’t forget to give thanks, it can turn a meal into a feast.”

Excellent reminder!

Speaking of gardening, I have some really gorgeous lettuce, spinach and kale in my cold frames. I also have four big broccoli plants with nice medium-sized heads of broccoli already. I covered the broccoli last night....since our temp dropped to 27 last night.

In mid-spring, we plan to put up a very nice Israeli-engineered greenhouse (small 8 X 12). I just got a small heater for that greenhouse at half price (am concerned about inflation next year). We are thinking about setting that greenhouse on a base of pea gravel. Anyone have other suggestions?


6 posted on 11/18/2011 5:21:29 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: who knows what evil?

“2012 seed catalogs are arriving”.

I got my first one yesterday. I keep them for the long, drawn out Winter months. If it is snowing, you can bet that I am looking through them and marking what seeds or plants I want for the Spring.


7 posted on 11/18/2011 5:24:33 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Red_Devil 232

Blessed rain is falling now! I have planted all kinds of salad greens and they look GREAT!!!!


8 posted on 11/18/2011 5:26:35 AM PST by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Two nights of hard freeze hear this week caught me and ended my garden for this year. Had great plans for getting a hot house up before it froze but procrastination ended the need.


9 posted on 11/18/2011 5:28:39 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Red_Devil 232
It looks like almost all of our pullets are now laying. Barb has been recording all eggs and the sizes have been creeping up into the large zone until yesterday when she found a 3 oz egg (Jumbo)!

We sold our first dozen this week.

10 posted on 11/18/2011 5:29:27 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Not to much to report from central Texas. It is still dry and not much rain in the forecast. The garden is dong as good as can be expected. My neighbor has several tomato plants that got nipped by the last frost, but they have a bunch of green fruit that are ripening.


11 posted on 11/18/2011 5:31:59 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Redleg Duke

Congratulations, Redleg Duke! A Jumbo egg! You are doing absolutely fantastic with the chickens!


12 posted on 11/18/2011 5:31:59 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Redleg Duke

Sounds like you are having great success with your chickens.
I know nothing about raising chickens. For some reason I thought they slowed down laying during the winter.


13 posted on 11/18/2011 5:39:03 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Actually, this is my first experience with raising chickens, but so far, it has been fun.


14 posted on 11/18/2011 5:49:27 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Hoodat

My mustard greens are too (I did not plant collards). This season I discovered using the pressure cooker to

That is the only thing left alive in my garden now. We had our first hard freeze this week. It hit 29 degrees a few nights ago.

I removed my drip irrigation system on my young fruit trees and covered my fig trees hoping to collect a few figs before they shut down for the winter (I planted them in Feb. 2011) Pretty amazing to see a tree set fruit the first year.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 6:03:08 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Red_Devil 232
If you are a gardener or you are just starting out and are in need of advice or just encouragement please feel free to join in and enjoy the friendly discussion. Our Freeper community is full of gardeners, each with varying interests and skill levels from Master Gardener to novice.

Let's say you have a piece of land that has pine trees on it, plain ole astern white pine.

Now, for the sake of discussion, let's say you clear cut it and want to make it into an organic farm.

This is what you have done so far, cut,it, pulled the stumps, dragged it for rocks and found the ph to be 5.5 or so. Today you are spreading lime at the rate of 2.5 tons per acre. This will be scratched in using a D-10 with a rock rack.

What else would you do? The initial main crops will be corn, squash, both summer and winter, and tomatoes.

Thanks for any help in advance and please do not ask how many acres. But the land is in Vermont and New Hampshire. Because of it's proximity to the Connecticut river it has a 3.5 month growing season.

16 posted on 11/18/2011 6:05:47 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

We’ve been having some beautiful autumn weather here in Central Missouri. Garden cleanup is almost finished for the year. My green salad is loving the warm days and cool nights.

Planted 150 cloves of garlic last weekend. I bought and planted three bulbs (~45 cloves) in the fall of ‘08 and have been saving some back from the harvest to replant since then. I’m not sure of the variety but it seems to be acclimating nicely as the bulb and clove size has been steadily improving.

The Red Russian kale is hip-high and lush. I’ll put a couple gallons up in the freezer and the rest will be green fodder for the chickens over winter.

I still have plans to bring in some composted horse manure from a buddy’s stable. Hopefully I can find the time to do that before wet weather sets in.


17 posted on 11/18/2011 6:12:53 AM PST by Augie
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To: Redleg Duke
We sold our first dozen this week. /i>

Duke, obviously you didn't get the Obama memo. We are all LAZY, according to our perpetually vacationing Pres. Congrats on the new money raising endeavor. Don't tell the town. They'll try to regulate and tax you to death.

18 posted on 11/18/2011 6:22:31 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: momtothree

I love doing that, too. Planning my garden and looking at me gardening books. Keeps me going till Spring.


19 posted on 11/18/2011 6:31:28 AM PST by gramho12
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To: Red_Devil 232
Ok Freepers this means no thawing of the turkey on the back porch or in the trunk of your car!

That would depend on where we live. 'round here, we call the garage the "walk-in" during the winter. LOL. I think I'll order my dinner this year. There is a restaurant here that will supply the whole thing for less than 50 bucks. I can't do that well cooking and shopping myself. And I'll give another 50 bucks to the church which will supply a turkey and a bag of groceries to a needy inner city family. I'll spend the day (if it is nice) cleanng out the garden.

My husband just got back from his annual hunting trip in Missouri. They all got skunked this year because the rut didn't start until the day he had to leave. Much catching up to do around here and at work. So we will have a very quiet TG this year.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

20 posted on 11/18/2011 6:32:08 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Red_Devil 232

Good morning gardeners. Thanks for the thread RD. I never have to worry about thawing Turkeys. My oldest daughter wanted this job, so long ago she took over the Turkey baking. I make a ham and the veggies. Easy for me.

While gone on a short trip, we had high winds and freezing temperatures. The row covers were partially blown off of the tomatoes, so that part of the garden is now finished.

Winter garden of greens is still doing well. Indoor spinach, herbs, and tomatoes are all doing well. I have received 1 seed catalog so far.

My citrus has produced a bunch of blooms, and 1 lemon is almost ripe. The leaves are turning yellow and then are dropping off. The yellow seems to begin along the veins. I don’t think it will survive the winter at this rate. I have researched the problem and tried various things, but nothing seems to have helped.

For anyone that missed the link I posted to last week’s thread, here it is again:

http://wintersown.org

Free tomato seeds with a SASE. Also other seeds and exchanges. All are open pollinated. Instructions on how to sow seeds in the winter.

Have a great weekend. God Bless.


21 posted on 11/18/2011 7:01:31 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JakeS

To JackS ...

When it comes to soil, the most useful site I’ve found is www.soilminerals.com.

Please read the interview with the author of “The Ideal Soil.” There is a bit of chemistry and math, but even I could understand it!

One discovers “The Law of Minimums,” in that your plants will do as well as the least present micro-mineral available.

I hope this helps ... it is really helping me. My soil in N Arizona high desert starts at around 8.5 pH and goes up from there! Egad.

I was grinning when you talked about using a D-10 to stir and clear the soil. Way too cool. PM me if you have any more soil questions.


22 posted on 11/18/2011 7:03:22 AM PST by taxcutisapayraise (Making Statism Unpopular)
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To: JakeS

Adding some beans will help the corn with it’s nitrogen needs. Google 3 sisters planting for more information.


23 posted on 11/18/2011 7:06:29 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JakeS; JustaDumbBlonde

First thing I would do is get the soil tested. Look up your local State University’s Extension service they will usually have samples of the forms you will need to fill out and also instructions on how to sample your soil.

I am pinging JustaDumbBlonde to your post. She and her husband do some big time farming including corn and the other veggies you mentioned.


24 posted on 11/18/2011 7:07:22 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: taxcutisapayraise

Thanks for the link to that web site. where is the interview located?


25 posted on 11/18/2011 7:21:36 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

The “Ideal Soil” interview is found at: http://www.soilminerals.com/AgricolaI.htm

Or, click Interview with Agricola on the right of the home page.


26 posted on 11/18/2011 7:37:50 AM PST by taxcutisapayraise (Making Statism Unpopular)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Okay, we bought a nine pounder frozen and put it in the fridge at about 38° Tuesday. Will it hold, or should I cook it now and then re-warm it next Thursday? Or turn down the refrigerator?

Everything in the garden is dead. It's very depressing.

27 posted on 11/18/2011 7:46:01 AM PST by Excellence ( CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: JakeS

Plant a winter cover crop if it is not too late.


28 posted on 11/18/2011 7:57:02 AM PST by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: tubebender

What would you suggest?


29 posted on 11/18/2011 8:04:32 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Tested at 5.5


30 posted on 11/18/2011 8:05:06 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: greeneyes

Beans, rattlesnake OK?


31 posted on 11/18/2011 8:05:37 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: taxcutisapayraise

Thank you. I will visit www.soilminerals.com. Ya, a D-10 is pretty handy.


32 posted on 11/18/2011 8:07:19 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: Excellence

The Foster Farms Turkey hotline is open again this year. Give them a call 800 255-7227. As a side note, we bought a fresh bird this year just like Mama would have done. Lady Bender says Butterball also has a hot line...


33 posted on 11/18/2011 8:11:23 AM PST by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Speaking of mustard...just bottled a batch of beautiful mustard habanero hot sauce to help keep close friends extra-warm this winter...


34 posted on 11/18/2011 8:11:57 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: JakeS

I am not familiar with eastern soils but a soil test will tell you. If it lakes nitrogen you would plant nitrogen fixing plants like Bell Bean, Clover or Austrian Field peas. The Dolomite lime was a good move. Gotta Run...


35 posted on 11/18/2011 8:15:27 AM PST by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: taxcutisapayraise; All

Great site.

Still have some greens in the garden that I’m still pulling off of. We’ve had a nice gradual fall with no hard spikes to shock the plants and kill htem. We’ve got down to 27 a couple of times which makes them real good for taste. No super hard freezes predicted for a couple of weeks so I’ll have salad at Thanksgiving!

Not the best year though. One time we didn’t dip below 26 until Christmas Eve. Fresh salad at Christmas - it don’t get any better than that.


36 posted on 11/18/2011 8:22:37 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: JakeS
To get your ground ready for optimum production, get N,P and K readings. If you've, for the sake of discussion, had a pH test done, you are familiar with how and where to pull soil samples.

If one were looking to grow the vegetables that you've listed, they would also look to trace elements like zinc and calcium.

In general, corn being a grass, loves and needs nitrogen. You will probably have to side-dress your corn rows with a dry product, unless you are working with standard farm equipment and have a fert applicator.

Tomatoes, on the other hand, don't need high nitrogen or you will get all foliage and no fruit. You are going to want to feed phosphorus at key times, and keep your calcium levels up to avoid blossom end rot. Phosphorus will benefit the squash as well.

Theoretically, you would be on the right track though, because if the soil pH is off significantly in either direction, you can apply all of the fert you want but the plants will likely be unable to utilize it. Trust me ... I learned that the hard way. :)

37 posted on 11/18/2011 8:26:01 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JakeS

I am not just talking about a pH test but a complete soil analysis for NKP and mineral content. The results of the test should provide you details on how much of each to apply to your soil per acre or sq. ft.


38 posted on 11/18/2011 8:31:39 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: who knows what evil?

Sounds good. I like peppers a lot.


39 posted on 11/18/2011 10:26:26 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

You have good taste. :-)


40 posted on 11/18/2011 10:36:01 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I have just told the guy in charge to get that done. Thank you. This is our first try at anything other than trees.


41 posted on 11/18/2011 10:46:52 AM PST by JakeS (I have never had a flu shot and I have never had the flu.)
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To: who knows what evil?

I grow a yellow Jalapeno called a Jolero. It is smaller than most of the green varieties, a little waxy on the skin, but pickle very well. I have a plant in my sun room that is 3 years old and still making peppers.

I found that if I dried them (they turn red when dried) and chop them up with a food chopper and then grind them in my hand grain mill, it produces some of the best seasoning imaginable. It looks like red pepper, but it has much better flavor. I do not grind the seed, normally dry the peppers for the seed. Then when they are getting pretty tough I snip the stem end off and roll the still flexible pepper to dislodge the seed with the pod remaining intact. Then I grind it as described.

One of my favorite seasonings.


42 posted on 11/18/2011 10:53:45 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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43 posted on 11/18/2011 11:13:09 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Red_Devil 232

First freeze last night. The kale, chard and lettuce remain.


44 posted on 11/18/2011 12:17:40 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Yep we were down to 27 early this morning. I think it was just this past Wed. the high was in the low 80’s.


45 posted on 11/18/2011 12:48:07 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: TheOldLady; Red_Devil 232; All
You are putting Gary's life in danger on The Weekly Gardening Thread. :^) We are usually trying to figure out how to eradicate snails and slugs.

I would like to offer a challenge for my gardening FRiends: I will make a $5 donation to FR for every member who signs up as a monthly donor. Offer good through the weekend.

Bump the thread and let me know if you sign-up. Thanks!!!

Red, would you kindly ping the list to see if we can generate a little revenue?

46 posted on 11/18/2011 12:48:31 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: TASMANIANRED; Red_Devil 232

Our rainy season began this morning and my wife just informed that a pair of Ravens are eating my cover crop seed of Red Oats and Austrian Field Peas. All 7 varieties of my Garlic are up, some further along then others and they all stand out in the rice hull mulch. Nothing much to do except clean up the permanent landscaping if the weather gives us a couple days.


47 posted on 11/18/2011 12:49:58 PM PST by tubebender (She was only a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.)
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To: JakeS
Yeh, If you plant them around the corn a few weeks after the corn comes up, they can climb up the stalk, and you don't have to put up bean poles etc.

I am lazy that way. LOL.

48 posted on 11/18/2011 12:50:08 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
We had a good frost last night and temps did actually fall below freezing. The tomato plants are wilted, except for the ones on the inside rows, and they are not bitten as badly. It is time to do the final push on green maters, I guess.

Picked and shelled 2 bushels of butter beans. They are done too. Peppers are still alive.

49 posted on 11/18/2011 12:52:23 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: tubebender

Howdy Mr. Bender! I was wondering if dumping my ashes from the fireplace into the compost pile would be helpful or harmful. I get an “A” washtub every other day.


50 posted on 11/18/2011 1:00:10 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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