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Report: Russia warships to enter Syria waters in bid to stem foreign intervention
Haaretz ^

Posted on 11/18/2011 7:45:00 AM PST by jhpigott

Russian warships are due to arrive at Syrian territorial waters, a Syrian news agency said on Thursday, indicating that the move represented a clear message to the West that Moscow would resist any foreign intervention in the country's civil unrest.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


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1 posted on 11/18/2011 7:45:01 AM PST by jhpigott
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To: MississippiMan; ctdonath2; LibertyRocks; GonzoGOP; b4its2late; bert; maquiladora; hennie pennie; ...

ping


2 posted on 11/18/2011 7:45:38 AM PST by jhpigott (North Korea - The land of lousy options)
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To: jhpigott

Marking their territory.


3 posted on 11/18/2011 7:45:58 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: jhpigott

The Chinese also support Assad, and may send assets in.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 7:48:22 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: jhpigott

So, in other words the Soviets are intervening to prevent intervention.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 7:49:45 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: jhpigott

I haven’t heard anybody talking about foreign intervention unless Turkey takes some action along its’ border in which case, Russian Naval vessels would be ineffective.


6 posted on 11/18/2011 7:49:58 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: jhpigott

Red flag rising. Almost to half mast.

God help me store food this winter because spring time is when kings go off to war.


7 posted on 11/18/2011 7:50:27 AM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: jhpigott

That’s because the air defense systems Russians sold the region are demonstrated crap, and now Russia has to place REAL radar to help out in the event of a strike.

Probably in the fine print of the contract somewhere.


8 posted on 11/18/2011 7:51:39 AM PST by txhurl
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To: jhpigott

The Russkies can have Syria for all I care.


9 posted on 11/18/2011 7:52:10 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: jhpigott

Can a pawn make a move of deception?


10 posted on 11/18/2011 7:53:24 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The port at Tartus, Syria is one of Russia’s only warm water ports they have basing rights at. Their opposition to any kind of foreign intervention that could jeopardize Assad’s rule is going to be strong.


11 posted on 11/18/2011 7:54:10 AM PST by jhpigott (North Korea - The land of lousy options)
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To: jhpigott

Is that a sinking ship I smell?


12 posted on 11/18/2011 7:54:47 AM PST by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: jhpigott

Let ‘em have it. In fact, I’d love to see Russian rule over all Muslim lands.

The muzzies would soon learn the true meaning of martyrdom.

Without the 40 wenches awaiting....


13 posted on 11/18/2011 7:55:14 AM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: jhpigott

Just as with Libya, Assad is a bad guy, but no guarantee his replacement will be any better.


14 posted on 11/18/2011 7:55:18 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: jhpigott

Well that should keep us out. Only a moron would risk a war with Russia to support an Islamic uprising in the Middle East.

Oh, sh*t.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 7:55:46 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Da Coyote

One of the drawbacks of the fall of the Soviet Union was the emergence of the Islamo-Fascist states in Central Asia, at least in Soviet times, the Kremlin kept them under control.


16 posted on 11/18/2011 7:56:23 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Pan_Yan
Only a moron would risk a war with Russia to support an Islamic uprising in the Middle East.

Clinton risked war with Russia over Kosovo.

17 posted on 11/18/2011 7:57:02 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Da Coyote
Without the 40 wenches awaiting....

Times are hard. 72 down to 40.

18 posted on 11/18/2011 7:57:06 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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To: dfwgator
Clinton risked war with Russia over Kosovo.

And in 2008 we almost risked war with Russia over 2 provinces of Georgia

19 posted on 11/18/2011 7:58:11 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Free TOTUS)
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To: jhpigott
Do the Russians have ships that are stationed there year round..almost home-ported..or is it that they occasionally use the port as needed?..

Have they made imporvements to the port infrastructure..?

20 posted on 11/18/2011 7:59:20 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Obama has shown nothing but incompetene and weakness to our enemies


21 posted on 11/18/2011 8:02:02 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: jhpigott

It’s just The Love Boat

Love, exciting and new
Come aboard, we’re expecting you!
.....

And love won’t hurt anymore
It’s an open smile on a friendly shore
It’s a Russian warship
Defending a murderous regime
I don’t have to rhyme
Because I can’t think of anything that rhymes with regime
The love boat!


22 posted on 11/18/2011 8:04:09 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ken5050

They don’t have any ships based there permanently that I know of, but I do believe they have sunk some money into the port infrastructure recently


23 posted on 11/18/2011 8:05:59 AM PST by jhpigott (North Korea - The land of lousy options)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ping.


24 posted on 11/18/2011 8:06:51 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: txhurl

Vlad is getting frisky.


25 posted on 11/18/2011 8:07:40 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: jhpigott

Thank goodness we have the poser as CIC. Allah be praised. /gigantic sarcasm digging bomb shelter tag closed


26 posted on 11/18/2011 8:08:05 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Army Air Corps

Pride goeth before a fall!


27 posted on 11/18/2011 8:10:01 AM PST by txhurl
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To: F15Eagle

Dang did someone mention the sixties? Running off screaming to duck and cover!


28 posted on 11/18/2011 8:11:06 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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To: jhpigott

However much Russia has changed internally, its foreign policy doesn’t seem to have budged an inch from the bad old Commie days.


29 posted on 11/18/2011 8:12:24 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Except they no longer have the military power they once enjoyed.


30 posted on 11/18/2011 8:16:56 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: blueunicorn6
"Outta sight!"

31 posted on 11/18/2011 8:19:01 AM PST by evets (beer)
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To: jhpigott

They are also watching Israel to warn Iran if they detect a strike force.


32 posted on 11/18/2011 8:26:50 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: no-to-illegals

Only a pawn can become a Queen.


33 posted on 11/18/2011 8:32:08 AM PST by EEGator
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To: jhpigott

Thanks....


34 posted on 11/18/2011 8:34:10 AM PST by ken5050
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To: jhpigott

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-11/18/c_131256309.htm
“”This is all looking very much like a civil war,” said Lavrov in Moscow.

“It is not a secret that along with the peaceful demonstrators, whose strivings and demands we support, there is more and more participation of armed groups who have an entirely different agenda from reform and democracy in Syria,” Lavrov said.
...coastal Tartous city hosts a Russian naval supply and maintenance base... “

China sounds enthused over the rebellion.


35 posted on 11/18/2011 8:43:58 AM PST by mrsmith
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36 posted on 11/18/2011 8:53:52 AM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: dfwgator
One of the drawbacks of the fall of the Soviet Union was the emergence of the Islamo-Fascist states in Central Asia, at least in Soviet times, the Kremlin kept them under control.

While the drawback of the Soviet Union was the arming and continual backing of anti-American Arab dictatorships.

37 posted on 11/18/2011 8:56:25 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: blueunicorn6
LOL!

Also, the Russian Navy is mostly rusty junk. Before Obama, we could have defeated it in two weeks. Now, I don't know.

38 posted on 11/18/2011 9:09:08 AM PST by pabianice (")
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To: evets

Who knew that those days were some of the best America had seen... today it would be the GAY LOVE BOAT STARRING ROSIE AND ELLEN.

LLS


39 posted on 11/18/2011 10:06:32 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: jhpigott

Syrian waters? That would be a narrow ribbon of water. They’d be vulnerable to anyone who was truly interested in taking them out.


40 posted on 11/18/2011 10:06:58 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: dfwgator
The Russkies can have Syria for all I care.

Especially before Damascus becomes a ruinous heap, according to Biblical prophecy.
41 posted on 11/18/2011 10:15:20 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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42 posted on 11/18/2011 11:50:36 AM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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I think the author has it wrong.

This is more about Russian counter to the possible Turkish intervention than it is about "the West".

The Caucasus/Black Sea area could surprise everyone as Russia and Turkey get their groove on.

Take out Tehran and both countries are likely to hurt themselves in their mad rush to swallow the Caucasus and "Greater Armenia".

Don't be surprised if Russia starts talking about the "rights of the long-suppressed Armenian People" as they begin to move south.

Both countries look forward to the vacuum of a fallen Iran.

43 posted on 11/18/2011 1:04:19 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: EEGator
Dang no wonder I could never win at chess. I though I should sacrifice the pawns to save the rooks, bishops, knights, queen, and king. A strategy, all these years, for defeat. Thanks for the tip. Sacrifice the other pieces. Save the pawns. (smile);)
44 posted on 11/18/2011 2:12:58 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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>>>>>I think the author has it wrong.>>>>>

Yep. An idea if Russian policy is enabling Iran is just wrong.
Iran is now standing on the edge of the roof like a suicidal maniac and Russia does nothing but pushing it down.

The problem is Russia won’t benefit long term, let alone Turkey. It is a window of opportunity for China to get it’s way to ME. China already has a huge success in Central Asia while US and Russia clashing in zero sum games there.


45 posted on 11/18/2011 6:21:11 PM PST by cunning_fish
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Thanks jhpigott.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2807596/posts?page=5#5


46 posted on 11/18/2011 7:33:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv ([snip] The Russians will step in, pronto. No, seriously, watch, it will happen. [/snip])
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To: NeoCaveman

KGB Putin invaded Georgia using standard communist tactics. And he did so to protect Iran.


47 posted on 11/19/2011 12:26:06 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: jhpigott

I don’t think “the west” has any interest whatsoever in getting involved in any military activity in Syria.

According to Galrahn’s tweets, one of the Russian ships is a naval rescue ship. I think they might be concerned with protecting/extracting Russian military/civilian personel in Syria in the event of a full scale civil war. I don’t think they are worried about NATO getting involved.

Hard to predict what will happen there though, very different situation to Libya.


48 posted on 11/19/2011 5:39:00 AM PST by maquiladora
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Hard to see how this one plays out. I think the Hezbollah-card is eroding the more Arab blood Assad sheds. Would he try to provoke an Israeli response to save his neck. An IRBM strike or Golan land grab to rally the flag.


49 posted on 11/19/2011 6:57:36 AM PST by jhpigott (North Korea - The land of lousy options)
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To: jhpigott
The report seems to be very dubious. The only two Russian Black Sea Fleet vessels in the Mediterranean appear to be the Frigate Smetlivy and the rescue ship Epron? These have been exercising with NATO over the past few weeks.

Russian exercise with NATO in Mediterranean

The reports of a deployment of Russian Navy warships to Syria/Syrian waters appears to be sensationalist. The Smetlivy doesn't appear to have been diverted after exercising with NATO assets. The replacement for the Severomorsk for anti-piracy patrols came from the Pacific Fleet. The Severomorsk transited through Tartus, Syria on its way back during September.Any large scale movements of Russian Black Sea Fleet into the Mediterranean would be reported by Turkey and would be instant news. Turkey still has full control of the straits with naval transits monitored under treaty.

The Russians announced back in September that the aircraft carrier Kuznetsov and escorts were going to deploy to the Mediterranean from November.

Aircraft Carrier to exercise from November

The visits to the Mediterranean and Syrian waters by the carrier have been a regular occurence over the past couple of years. So far there have been no further reports of this planned winter deployment.

I think that too many people have taken the reports as fact without actually studying the situation? Unless the Frigate Smetlivy has been diverted from its passage back home then there are no Russian major assets currently in the Mediterranean. A sizeable deployment of the Black Sea Fleet would be instant news via Turkey.

50 posted on 11/20/2011 9:47:02 AM PST by Tommyjo
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