Skip to comments.The country the world forgot - again
Posted on 11/19/2011 8:16:43 PM PST by Tainan
UNTIL the deaths last week of four Canadian soldiers accidentally killed by a US warplane in Afghanistan, probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian troops were deployed in the region. And as always, Canada will now bury its dead, just as the rest of the world as always will forget its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever does.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
lol. Not exactly breaking news.
I think Canada likes being anonymous sometimes.
There are about 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan, and less than 1000 Canadians. That may have something to do with the lack of recognition.
Better than being blamed for all the worlds woes I suppose.
lol. too true.
Usually those that blame us for "all the world's woes" are themselves causing the world's woes.
Better than being blamed for all the worlds woes I suppose
Lord have mercy.
I’m sure part of the reason they’re “forgotten” is because they’re still patsies for the UK, as is every other Euro-centric English colony SINCE the US (they learned their lesson). They’re not truly independent of “their” queen. Probably looked upon as just another part of the UK. Become truly independent, and maybe you’ll be noticed.
There was a song out by Mac Davis in the 80's with a line "No matters who hurting theres one thing for certain the whole world will blame the U.S." LOL
There are about 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan, and less than 1000 Canadians.
At the moment, I don’t know exactly how many Canadien soldiers are in Afganistan, but for most of the time the last few years, the number of Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan have been about 2200
Why did you dig up this column from 2002, almost ten years old?
A buddy emailed it to me this morning (its Sunday here). Some things never change. IMO this topic is relevant to todays political/military situation.
see post #14
If Munin is correct in that there are about 2,200, then that is serious number for a country with roughly 1/10 the population of the USA.
I'm gonna assume you are just trolling, because nobody could possibly be that ignorant in real life.
“I think Canada likes being anonymous sometimes”
Part of that came deliberately from the Chretien-lead liberal government.
For example, Canadian snipers fighting alongside US personnel were blocked from receiving Bronze Stars due to a Canadian government veto...
According to Wiki 157 Canadian soldiers died in Afghanistan. US deaths were 1765. Since the US population is 10 times the Canadian population I think the butchers bill was just about equal.
You are absolutely correct. Some fun Canadian facts, please keep them quiet:
Ontario manufactures more motor vehicles than Michigan.
RCAF fighters have recently (this century) taken over air defense duties in Alaska when USAF aircraft were grounded because of maintenance issues.
Canada has petroleum reserves equal to Saudi Arabia.
Canada, not China, is America's largest trading partner.
Canada is the second largest country in the world.
Canada has absorbed three waves of political refugees from the USA since the 1770's. No political refugees have fled south from Canada to the USA.
Canada and the US have enjoyed peaceful relations for almost 200 years, an unofficial world record?
Canada is actually America’s worst enemy. We’ve fought six wars with Canada—more than we have with any other country. However, in four of those wars, we were English and they were French.
The author briefly mentions Canada in WW I, but glosses over it..assuming that 50% of the then population was male, and maybe half of those were too young or too old to serve, then Canada's 600k represented about 35% of eligible males in service. There was literally almost nobody left at home to keep the country running..producing things..
The CEF was committed at the Somme ( Passchendale) and the vast majority of the 60,000 KIA occurred over a week. They gained about 3 miles of ground, and next spring, when the Germans launched their offensive, the Germans regained all the ground lost the peviosu year.
Amazing fact: At the end of WW II..Canada had the THIRD largest NAVY in the world..
Over here me lad
I’m no expert, but since they keep having official Queen’s visits, put the Queen on their coins and generally through all these wars even as “independent” have been at the beck & call of UK, you’re darn right I view them as never truly independent. (That goes for Australia and NZ too, which is why I made that qualifying comment before.)
Canada was not a “country” in any of them.
Coalition deaths in Afghanistan by country
Czech Republic: 5
New Zealand: 4
South Korea: 2
Another amazing fact. After VE day the RCAF was planning to re-equip Bomber Command and shift to the Pacific theatre. The atom bomb ended the war before they did.
Another amazing fact. Canadian engineers and scientists worked in New Mexico with UK and American scientists to develop the bomb. Uranium from Canada was used in the experiments. Rumours have circulated to the effect that post war Canadian nuclear engineers, in the course of their research, got to the point where they could assemble a bomb independently. They asked their political masters what they should do. They were told to forget about it.
And “O Canada” is by far the most stirring national anthem..
Canadians did some of the dirty work during WWII. They were assigned the hopeless task of defending Hong Kong in 1941, and they lost a lot of men during the failed attack on Dieppe in 1942.
Thanks for the ping, alfa6.
“No political refugees have fled south from Canada to the USA.”
What do you call the Cajuns?
Granted, the USA was not an independent nation yet.
It was an interesting episode. I’m somewhat familiar with it as I’m Acadien. The short story is that the English governor was fed up with a few troublemakers and decreed that any resident who refused to take a loyalty oath would have to leave. Roughly half of them (including my branch of the family) took the oath and the rest set out for Louisiana. None of them considered returning to France; they came here because Bourbon France was a decrepit hell-hole.
You should read up on what is called "Canada's hundred Days".
"During this time, the Canadian Corps fought at Amiens, Arras, the Hindenburg Line, the Canal du Nord, Bourlon Wood, Cambrai, Denain, Valenciennes and finally at Mons, on the final day of the First World War.
In terms of numbers, during those 96 days the Canadian Corps' four over-strength or 'heavy' divisions of roughly 100 000 men, engaged and defeated or put to flight elements of forty seven German divisions, which represented one quarter of the German forces fighting on the Western Front".
A Candiian once told me there was no such thing as a Canadian patriot. I found that hard to bellieve, but he swore it was true.
A Candiian once told me there was no such thing as a Canadian patriot. I found that hard to believe, but he swore it was true.
what a load of nonsense
How nonsense? Canada still has the Queen on coinage, still pays homage with Queen’s visits, still calls things “Royal” this&that w/o benefit of its own border-bound king or queen. Never mind its not-so-distant history of doing what the UK says to do. Can you deny that?
I call it as I see it. Sorry if I don’t have all the info, but what I have says “not truly independent”.
Post #27 proves you wrong.
That goes without saying . You , and those like you , know nothing of the British North America Acts 18671975 , the Constitution of Canada or the Statute of Westminster 1931 .
The Queen is a figure head . She has no power in Canada and is respected for the traditions she brings to Canada . She graces our dollar . Beats a dead guy any day.
Just showing respect for our founding traditions...kinda like the way you folks honour your George Washington’s Abe lincoln’s Daniel Boone’s, Paul Reveres and Davey Crockett’s et al. Unfortunately, not unlike yourself, many of our southern cousins prefer to accept stereotypical myths over historical reality, they are far more interesting. Having said that, many thanks for showing an interest in Canadian affairs, we sincerely appreciate the fact you took the time to make a comment. We are sensitive to the fact that many americans show little or no interest beyond the northern border.
Exactly. If she is a non-resident non-native she should not be on your currency. It doesn’t make any sense.
I’m aware of the years you mention, at least to some extent. Apparently you’re forgetting 1982. It’s only pretty recently all powers of the UK parliament over Canada were dumped.
1 more step to go.
Incidentally, we’ve had more than dead (native, resident) people on our currency. In the past it was mostly symbolic women (I’m a casual numismatist).
As I’m sure you know all about US history and geography and the like. I don’t fault non-US people for that. We can’t all know everything. But that doesn’t mean we don’t know a little something and it could be correct.
Listen, honestly I have nothing against Canada, per se. I’m simply expressing an honest opinion that perhaps Canada is “forgotten” because - well, it was basically not fully its own country for the vast majority of its history. Britain learned its lesson and no more did it get overly tyrannical with its own brethern-based colonists, rather letting gradual independence grow.
All over Mauritania and Paraguay and Bhutan and Nauru people are reading this and saying (in their respective languages), "Dang, they forgot about us -- again!"
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