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Whales in the desert: Fossil bonanza poses mystery
AP via Phys.org ^ | November 19, 2011 | EVA VERGARA and IAN JAMES

Posted on 11/20/2011 1:41:13 PM PST by Daffynition

Maybe they became disoriented and beached themselves. Maybe they were trapped in a lagoon by a landslide or a storm. Maybe they died there over a period of a few millennia. But somehow, they ended up right next to one another, many just meters (yards) apart, entombed as the shallow sea floor was driven upward by geological forces and transformed into the driest place on the planet.

Today, they have emerged again atop a desert hill more than a kilometer (half a mile) from the surf, where researchers have begun to unearth one of the world's best-preserved graveyards of prehistoric whales.

(Excerpt) Read more at physorg.com ...


TOPICS: History; Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology
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1 posted on 11/20/2011 1:41:17 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Sudden flood, sudden receding of the waters. You just never know.


2 posted on 11/20/2011 1:43:53 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Roll the stone away, Let the guilty pay, It's Independence Day)
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To: Daffynition

It was global warming and Republican policies that caused the air and water to be dirtier that killed them and it was also George Bush’s fault. Details on MSNBC. (sarcasm)


3 posted on 11/20/2011 1:46:08 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Daffynition

well duh, any whale in a desert is gonna die!


4 posted on 11/20/2011 1:49:05 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Daffynition

Here is another place where science confirms the flood.
Science shows that something very drastic happened between 3 and 8 thousand years ago. I believe that it is Noah’s flood that is displayed again and again by science.
Missippi Delta started forming in that time frame.
Niagra Falls began receeding in that time frame.
The oldest trees began growing within those boundaries.
The earliest recorded human history is within those limits.
Topsoil (average 8 inches) began then.
Many of earth’s deserts began forming at that time.
Most of the sediments in the ocean started between 4k and 8k years ago.
Dinosaur fossils in the artic died in that time frame (according to the presence of what was found in the bones.)
Human population began back in that time. (according to the average population growth stats.)
and on Science goes proving something very drastic began not long in the past.


5 posted on 11/20/2011 1:53:57 PM PST by PastorJimCM (truth matters)
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To: ClearCase_guy

May even be something like the Elephant’s graveyard phenomenon. It denies predators sustanence. Other species may also do that and reap similar evolutionary advantage.


6 posted on 11/20/2011 1:55:06 PM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: Daffynition
why should it be any bigger mystery than finding fossilized fish and seashells on mountains???
7 posted on 11/20/2011 1:56:27 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ClearCase_guy

As the Panama Canal is being expanded, they are finding fossils of elephants, camels, and horses to name a few.


8 posted on 11/20/2011 1:58:23 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (")
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Did they find my car keys? Lost them damn things ages ago.


9 posted on 11/20/2011 2:02:28 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa; SunkenCiv

Sunken might like this


10 posted on 11/20/2011 2:07:00 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Chode

“why should it be any bigger mystery than finding fossilized fish and seashells on mountains???”

We have that too here in Panama. I saw fossilized seashells with my own eyes in a local geology course I took. What happens is Panama continues to rise out of the sea…And this was way up high on a hill above the canal.


11 posted on 11/20/2011 2:10:04 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (")
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To: jmacusa

“Did they find my car keys? Lost them damn things ages ago.”

LOL!!! I’ll start asking around.


12 posted on 11/20/2011 2:12:51 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (")
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To: Daffynition

Let’s see. In the Bible, in the book of Genesis there is mention of a lot of rain and a bit of flooding. Might that be the reason that when the flood dried, these little fishes were left there? Duh!


13 posted on 11/20/2011 2:21:44 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: Daffynition
Lots if dinosaur fossils and many marine fossils around Boulder.
14 posted on 11/20/2011 2:24:24 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Daffynition

I hsve a basket full of fossil clams from central Texas, and think of those every time climate change is discussed.


15 posted on 11/20/2011 2:34:29 PM PST by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: RetiredArmy

16 posted on 11/20/2011 2:39:17 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: mountainlion

17 posted on 11/20/2011 2:40:39 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition
Wonder where we will start finding them next?


18 posted on 11/20/2011 2:45:04 PM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Daffynition
Multiple beaching of whales happens fairly frequently today.

The theory I like as to why it happens is that one ill or disoriented whale beaches and then his distress cries cause his fellow pod members to beach themselves coming to their fellow’s aid.

19 posted on 11/20/2011 2:49:27 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Thanks awfully old boy, bloody nuisance having to ask the wife for hers all the damn time.


20 posted on 11/20/2011 2:50:15 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Daffynition

Good example of the rare and ancient “feathered whale”. They probably flew inland and crash landed.


21 posted on 11/20/2011 2:58:14 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Daffynition

Thanks for the post what they put into it is not your fault.but lets look at this thing

Typical AP rewrite treatment The location of this find is so remote so (who cares ?) When its mentioned its the 5th paragraph down (Atacama desert) as well as the country,( Chile) . We still don’t know from which ocean these creatures came from but that some species of the whales were named Baleen, but the extinct ones well that’s too scientific. Which were found huddled together I’m surprized the narrative didn’t resort to :he, cuddled with each other in fear of impending doom device.


22 posted on 11/20/2011 3:05:12 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Moses ..A nick name II received as a kid for warning another -It's a sin to tell a lie")
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To: Daffynition

23 posted on 11/20/2011 3:06:22 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Pontiac
Coming to a fellow's aid is frowned upon here. ;)
24 posted on 11/20/2011 3:07:04 PM PST by Daffynition
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25 posted on 11/20/2011 3:10:17 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: Moonmad27
The talented, versatile Laurie Anderson
26 posted on 11/20/2011 3:11:44 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: Pontiac

“Multiple beaching of whales happens fairly frequently today.”

But they don’t turn into fossils - they decay.


27 posted on 11/20/2011 3:20:38 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: PastorJimCM

The world is chock full of evidence pointing to world wide deluge as written in the biblical texts. Like current liberals of all stripes, however, science is loathe even to consider the obvious.


28 posted on 11/20/2011 3:38:23 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

I assumed tectonic lift of the local plate was the reason sea levels around panama viejo had dropped enough to let foliage begin to grow in the old sea bed. I would assume within 10 years it could be out beyond the toll road bridge.


29 posted on 11/20/2011 3:42:33 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: PastorJimCM

I share your faith, but not your timeline. Study some geology, please.


30 posted on 11/20/2011 3:55:47 PM PST by onedoug (lf)
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31 posted on 11/20/2011 4:16:37 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
exactly...
32 posted on 11/20/2011 4:21:16 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: WoofDog123

Hey WoofDog123.

I hadn’t thought about that. Let me take a good look next time I’m in that area. I miss so much when I drive because I am looking out for foolish drivers. I love it when in rare occasions I am a passenger. I see so many things, which I have missed.

In my geology class, we had a field trip every Thursday afternoon. We covered everything pertaining to Panama what was known then. Where I saw those fossil shell fish were on the side of the old French canal dig (Atlantic Side). We were walking parallel the canal which was actually a cliff cut into a hill. We walked along on these humongous, very strong reeds of grass. At one point I looked down between my feet past the grass and there was nothing but air between us and the bottom.

I am still having a good laugh about it today. And no, I was not afraid. It just took me by surprise.


33 posted on 11/20/2011 4:35:09 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (")
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34 posted on 11/20/2011 4:40:01 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: PastorJimCM
No offense intended, but how about a little scientific documentation to back up your statements.

“Many of the earth's deserts began forming at that time?” Well, wow! Hate to rain on your parade, but deserts are always beginning to forming somewhere on the planet, as well as marsh lands, glaciers, mountain ranges, etc. That's why it's called climate change: because the climate is constantly changing. Forest today, desert tomorrow. Coastline/shoreline today, Mountain peaks tomorrow.

Quick question: What is the world's largest desert? (Answer at the bottom of this post.)

FYI...Niagara Falls has been receding for millions of years;
FYI...Topsoil is always being deposited somewhere in the world;
FYI...THERE ARE NO DINOSAUR FOSSILS THAT DATE EARLIER THAN 65 MILLION YEARS AGO. (I know this because I have a Geology Degree);
FYI...Sediments are always being deposited on the ocean floor. It's a continuous process and dates back to the formation of the oceans;
FYI...The world's oldest tree is 9,550 years old (Norway);

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

I'm glad you have faith in God, as do most of us do, but please stop proselytizing. Opinions are not scientific fact.

Answer: Antarctica (A “desert” is defined by low annual average rainfall, not temperature or the amount of sand.)

35 posted on 11/20/2011 5:48:17 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

It is worth looking at when you go by there. It has been growing further and further out for a couple of years now. Once the 2nd wave started a bit further out than the first, I realized it had to be the plate panama is one was rising, since sea levels aren’t changing enough to do that.

You can pretty much not see anything but the gutted and renovated modern church tower now from corredor. same stuff on the other side of the bridge in costa del este to the ~!south.


36 posted on 11/20/2011 5:49:12 PM PST by WoofDog123
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37 posted on 11/20/2011 6:25:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks GeronL and Renfield. A two-list-pingworthy topic.
somehow, they ended up right next to one another, many just meters (yards) apart, entombed



38 posted on 11/20/2011 6:25:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: VanDeKoik
Best ending to a sitcom show... ever!
39 posted on 11/20/2011 6:32:30 PM PST by Shqipo (I am AttackWatch parolee #1,237. I am breaking my parole once more.)
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To: SunkenCiv

This would make for an interesting Free Willy sequel.


40 posted on 11/20/2011 6:33:18 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: mamelukesabre

I wonder if they found any land sharks. Those things are annoying.


41 posted on 11/20/2011 6:34:22 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Daffynition

Kool post!


42 posted on 11/20/2011 6:50:34 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Daffynition

Dimwit whales should have stayed where the water is.


43 posted on 11/20/2011 7:03:02 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Gil4

Though if a whale died in a littoral setting, and the sedimentation were rapid enough followed eventually by uplift, there would be many fossil examples such as in California, where many are found in its coastal mountains.


44 posted on 11/20/2011 7:17:42 PM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

I’m sorry - I have been gone from the computer most of the day. I will try to answer now one of the issues.
The oldest living trees that can be assuredly determined are the ones from which we can count the rings. The age of the tree in Norway is determined by carbon dating. Carbon dating is really only accurate to its 1/2 life of 5730 years. Those dates beyond that are unreliable and can come up with very different results each time they are tested.
I doubt the age of the Norway tree (actually root system.)


45 posted on 11/20/2011 7:20:06 PM PST by PastorJimCM (truth matters)
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To: SunkenCiv

Distribution of fossil whales on Cerro Blanco, superimposed on an aerial photo. Red dots correspond to individual whales (N = 180). Black dots correspond to specimens that cannot be determined to be complete whales, usually because of post-exposure erosional damage (N = 166). It appears likely that most whales were essentially complete before the effects of modern erosion processes.

link

Baleen from Fernanda. Left - surface view of the baleen (~ 8 cm from top to bottom of photo). Upper right - cross section of baleen. The dark colored v-shaped structures are sheets of baleen. Lower right - microscopic enlargement of surface of a sheet of baleen. Notice the fine ridges preserved in the baleen. We found fossilized baleen in several other whales also, but the baleen was best preserved in this whale. This type of preservation requires rapid burial, before the baleen tissue decayed. Fernanda was also buried before the spinal cord decayed, as black mineral replacement of the spinal cord was present in its normal position within the vertebral column (but nowhere else).

46 posted on 11/20/2011 7:38:49 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Winstons Julia

LOL!


47 posted on 11/20/2011 7:39:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik; PastorJimCM
No offense intended, but how about a little scientific documentation to back up your statements.

I love you miseotheists, the arrogance, insults, lies and hypocrisy that constitute your being always find a home in these CrEvo discussions.

FYI...Niagara Falls has been receding for millions of years;

Let see, your standards of conduct require others to document, whereas you can just spout off unsubstantiated lies and act like this is conclusive proof.

Rebuttal

FYI...The world's oldest tree is 9,550 years old (Norway);

Again you are a liar who bases this claim on the faith of Leif Kullman for 14C rates - who contradicted previous studies that somehow "proved" that the spruce wasn't even Norway two thousand years ago. So does the perceived infallibility of 14C rates trump the more reliable and accurate account of the trees' history? This claim doesn't even rely on something as simple as counting tree rings, but it relies on the religious faith of uniformitarian decay rates for 14C which have been proven many times to be bogus.

You latching on to this shoddy piece of work indicates the very low standards you have for scientific inquiry. Some might say that your standards are so low that they are non-existent. I submit that you will believe in the tooth fairy and Bigfoot if their existence could somehow be used to delegitimize Scripture.

FYI...THERE ARE NO DINOSAUR FOSSILS THAT DATE EARLIER THAN 65 MILLION YEARS AGO. (I know this because I have a Geology Degree);

So what? Obama claims to have a law degree and no sane person believes that he understands or cares about the law. Your internet claim is simply an unsubstantiated argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy because those with geology degrees can still be in error and can still lie about things they claim special expertise in. You offer no evidence - not even evidence of a degree in geology. You say you "know" but it is impossible to know unless you were there. Origin "science" isn't science its speculation made upon a broad spectrum of conjecture and assumptions. People who really have scientific degrees know this since true science is observable. Being that you uncritically accept Kullman's work, I wonder if your alleged "geology degree" was obtained from a Cracker Jack box.

FYI...Topsoil is always being deposited somewhere in the world;

So what? It doesn't prove anything. Thousands of people make topsoil everyday from compost heaps. Dittos with the insipid sediment and sea floor statement. Why don't you try to "prove" your silly faith system by also saying "FYI: A quarter is worth 25 cents"?

I'm glad you have faith in God, as do most of us do, but please stop proselytizing. Opinions are not scientific fact.

Your entire post is nothing but demonstrably false "opinions". Because you clearly are hostile to Scripture and refuse to subject yourself to the authority of Scripture, and you demand that a Christian disobey a fundamental command of our LORD - it is blatantly obvious that you don't have faith in God, and because you are in rebellion to the Word are actually an enemy to the faith.

An honorable person of character would apologize to PastorJimCM for the incivility.

48 posted on 11/20/2011 7:48:11 PM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

“FYI...THERE ARE NO DINOSAUR FOSSILS THAT DATE EARLIER THAN 65 MILLION YEARS AGO”

None that date earlier? My understanding is that the “newest” dinosaur fossils from the Cretaceous period date 65 million years ago, whereas Dinosaurs from the Jurassic and Triassic periods date earlier, but it’s possible that I’m not remembering correctly or my information is antiquated.


49 posted on 11/20/2011 9:06:53 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

I thought Niagra Falls started to recede down the plateau around 14,000 years ago with the melt waters from the glaciers? I think I saw that on some National Geographic type of documentary about the Great Lakes. I could be wrong, but that is what I thought......


50 posted on 11/20/2011 10:16:11 PM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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