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Livestock Farmers Say Ethanol Consumes Too Much Corn
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/livestock-farmers-say-ethanol-consumes-too-much-corn ^ | November 23, 2011 | MICHAEL J. CRUMB

Posted on 11/23/2011 3:24:04 PM PST by neverdem

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Livestock farmers are demanding a change in the nation's ethanol policy, claiming current rules could lead to spikes in meat prices and even shortages at supermarkets if corn growers have a bad year.

The amount of corn consumed by the ethanol industry combined with continued demand from overseas has cattle and hog farmers worried that if corn production drops due to drought or another natural disaster, the cost of feed could skyrocket, leaving them little choice but to reduce the size of their herds. A smaller supply could, in turn, mean higher meat prices and less selection at the grocery store.

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Matt Hartwig, chief of staff for the Renewable Fuels Association, called the effort to rewrite the fuel standard law "little more than a Trojan horse effort" to weaken or even eliminate it. He said the farmers' complaints were overblown and most livestock producers and meatpacking companies were making good profits...

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Turkey costs thirteen percent more since last Thanksgiving according to Channel 12's News in the Bronx today.
1 posted on 11/23/2011 3:24:07 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

DUHHHH!!!!!


2 posted on 11/23/2011 3:26:53 PM PST by DLfromthedesert ( Honkies for Herman 2012)
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To: neverdem

Ethanol — just another ill conceived and impractical government scheme devised for political rather than economic reasons.


3 posted on 11/23/2011 3:26:53 PM PST by Starboard
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To: neverdem

The obsession over ethanol needs to end. There is absolutely nothing redeeming about it. And lots of bad.


4 posted on 11/23/2011 3:27:27 PM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: neverdem

No offense beef producers your string of reasons beef prices are increasing are endless. Try the Adkins diet excuse again.


5 posted on 11/23/2011 3:29:57 PM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: neverdem

The call goes out for the Captain Obvious pic.


6 posted on 11/23/2011 3:31:34 PM PST by lurk
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To: neverdem

that was obvious out on the farms before they started.


7 posted on 11/23/2011 3:35:07 PM PST by ken21
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To: lurk

8 posted on 11/23/2011 3:36:35 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: neverdem

Apparently they’ve never heard of dried distiller’s grains.


9 posted on 11/23/2011 3:47:57 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Actually, the cost of the entire T’day dinner is up 13%. Make no mistake, food and energy are both going up, along with all other commodities. 13% inflation is tame compared to the trainwreck created by a power-mad and greedy federal monster running trillion dollar deficits. This is part of the redistribution of American wealth to other countries. Using the phony argument posited by OPEC and the rest of the foreign oil interests is wearing thin—we all know they hate ETOH. Food prices continue up because we have 7 billion people and counting. And to think, the #1 health issue in America is obesity—apparently 50% of population would do well to consume less grain. Listening to all the carping about capturing sunlight energy and transducing it into ETOH is a poor excuse for the current crisis. What we need is a 30% across the board cut in federal spending and the required balanced budget.


10 posted on 11/23/2011 3:55:48 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: neverdem

This is the goal, it increases meat prices, PETA is happy less meat is eaten. Farms are too important to fail so the fascists take them over and they’ll be Union owned.


11 posted on 11/23/2011 3:57:40 PM PST by stockpirate (Real hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags.)
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To: neverdem

This is the goal, it increases meat prices, PETA is happy less meat is eaten. Farms are too important to fail so the fascists take them over and they’ll be Union owned.


12 posted on 11/23/2011 3:57:45 PM PST by stockpirate (Real hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags.)
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To: neverdem

I am still waiting for someone to explain to me
how putting 10% alcohol in my gasoline
which results in a 10% reduction in fuel economy
somehow results in the importation of less arab oil.

And don’t even get me started on what this crap has done
to my lawnmower, weedeater, chainsaw, and pressure washer.


13 posted on 11/23/2011 3:58:46 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: Free Vulcan

Corn is down $1.50 from the summer highs. Part of the reason is the switch to alternative feeds. Huh, imagine free market principles at work.


14 posted on 11/23/2011 3:59:40 PM PST by taterjay
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To: Neoliberalnot

People on this thread are funny, the reason prices are going up due to inflation. Inflation is caused by increasing the money supply, ie printing more money. The fascists have taken food and fuel out of the inflation calculations just like they take the unemployed out of the unemployment numbers. Everything coming from the government is a lie, almost of our politicians are misleading us, even the republicans running for POTUS.

Think not, listen when any one of them gives the number of Americans unemployed, our the SS trust fund.


15 posted on 11/23/2011 4:06:10 PM PST by stockpirate (Real hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags.)
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To: neverdem
Even Congress of all people have realized than ethanol is a complete waste but they will do nothing to remove the subsidies they have earmarked to support it.
Our tax money has and is being used to reduce the quality of fuel used in our vehicles and also to cause the rise in food prices we all have to absorb every day with or without a car!
Next time you go shopping for food look to see just how many of the products you use rely on corn in one way or another.
Remember your so called elected representatives have used your money to insure your food cost more, that in free cultures is considered a double increase!
16 posted on 11/23/2011 4:12:45 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: stockpirate

You are preaching to the deacon my friend. People like to pick on small groups vilified by the old media. Farmers are an easy target. Farmers are small in number, mostly conservative and non-union—an easy target for progs and others taken in by the foreign oil interests. Note how not one of this group even mentions that ETOH is not the only product—they never mention the remaining high protein feed called distillers by-products.

Unemployment does not count the 3 million college grads unable to find jobs. Real unemployment is about 18% and climbing.


17 posted on 11/23/2011 4:15:45 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: stockpirate
The printing of money yes has alot to do with the price we pay for everything. Tim Obamakin and company have been running the presses since April 2009 and it has done more damage to the dollar than I have room to print here.
To take a food source and devote any of that to a fuel that cost as much or more than oil and also nets a negative return with taxpayer money to make that possible?
It is the combination of the above along with all the regulations involved with the production of all of the above that are making life for average citizens some they can read about!
18 posted on 11/23/2011 4:21:52 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: neverdem
Livestock farmers are demanding a change in the nation's ethanol policy, claiming current rules could lead to spikes in meat prices and even shortages at supermarkets if corn growers have a bad year.

That's the whole Agenda 21 idea, silly.

19 posted on 11/23/2011 4:27:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: taterjay

Alternative feeds huh, better by a hunting rifle and learn to feed yourself. Free principles at work!


20 posted on 11/23/2011 4:29:01 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: upchuck
"...nothing redeeming about it. And lots of bad."

Absolutely right. Depleting aquifers, interrupting market prices, government pork, destroying a big chunk of the gulf with algae, denying low-cost food to the rest of the world, burning a BTU of oil to make a BTU of ethanol. You name it.

21 posted on 11/23/2011 4:29:34 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: CowboyConservative

Already have the hunting rifle and beef and pork on the hoof. I also have the corn in the bin. Fat and happy for now.


22 posted on 11/23/2011 4:36:07 PM PST by taterjay
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To: neverdem

What a sneaky way to starve to death all the poor people on earth!!


23 posted on 11/23/2011 4:37:00 PM PST by jacob allen
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To: neverdem

And the worst part: The fed. gov't subsidizes the hell (by way of money seized from taxpayers) out of ethanol. Basically: seizing money to funnel to a pipe dream that, in the end, costs us more.

24 posted on 11/23/2011 5:12:11 PM PST by RobertClark ("Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: neverdem
all foods and feeds derived from corn have risen because of this ridiculous ethanol program.
25 posted on 11/23/2011 5:22:18 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: neverdem

One thing that needs to be changed is get rid of the high tax on cane sugar and quit subsidizing HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup), therefore more would be available through that route as well.


26 posted on 11/23/2011 5:22:37 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: elpadre
all foods and feeds derived from corn have risen because of this ridiculous ethanol program.

Including the "panacea" mentioned serveral times above, "distillers dried grains". Currently running about $200-225/ton.

Corn is runing pretty close to the same price on a per ton basis, so there's no cost advantage to either feed.

Also either way, the feed cost is higher than it would be if the artifical demand for ethanol wasn't there.

27 posted on 11/23/2011 6:16:04 PM PST by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: DLfromthedesert
In other news: Corn Farmers Say 'Ethanol Sure Does Consume a Lot of Corn, ... We Love It!'
28 posted on 11/23/2011 7:59:22 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: PENANCE
And I think I can pick out the Corn Farmers on this thread. "Distillers Grains" anyone?

How's them gubmint subsidees treatin' ya?

29 posted on 11/23/2011 8:05:09 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: neverdem

Bttt!


30 posted on 11/23/2011 8:30:40 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: PENANCE

....its also easy to pik out the consumers on welfare on this thread. No better than the OWS movement.

They get govt welfare on Home Mtg. Int deduction, Retirement plan welfare for IRA/401k deductions, College welfare for tuition deductions, participate in the grand ponzi scheme of SS/Medicare happily, They gotten cheap food,clothing and energy well under world market levels for decades......

At least a subsidy enhances the full society....welfare is a dead end, no return to society...just a carrot on a stick like a donkey.


31 posted on 11/23/2011 9:56:55 PM PST by sbark
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To: upchuck; All

Hopefully the Iowa hog farmers lobby will reduce the power of the Iowa corn farmers lobby and bring some sanity back into the feed market.


32 posted on 11/24/2011 12:24:47 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: neverdem

......if corn growers have a bad year.....

In October I traveled through 17 states passing through seemingly endless miles of cornfields. The path included extensive views of the crop said to have been doomed by water, perhaps late but there in overabundance.

It seems we have an elastic commodity. That is as demand increases, so does the production. While the claims above seem reasonable, the facts may be that enough corn will be produced to fill all demand.

Then there is exports. As you traverse the Mississippi river you see mega storage and transport facilities for export. If there is a crop diminution, exports will go, domestic will be retained.

I will not argue for ethanol, but my eyes saw am abundance of corn that is awesome.

It appears the meat farmers are jealous of the corn farmers


33 posted on 11/24/2011 5:03:08 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: neverdem

Even countries like China have banned new ethanol projects. They know that ethanol from corn is NOT an economical source of “new” energy.

How scizophrenic and stupid is our energy policy? We grow corn, not to eat, but to put in our gas tanks, while we refuse to send oil via pipeline from a massive source only 200 miles north of our border.


34 posted on 11/24/2011 7:41:58 AM PST by PGR88
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To: sbark
At least a subsidy enhances the full society

HA!

Spoken like a true Statist.

35 posted on 11/24/2011 8:03:48 AM PST by PENANCE
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To: CowboyConservative; RobertClark; shark; PENANCE
Even Congress of all people have realized than ethanol is a complete waste but they will do nothing to remove the subsidies they have earmarked to support it.

"While a $5 billion-a-year federal ethanol subsidy is scheduled to expire this year, the production requirement will remain, unless it's changed by Congress."

That's progress. I don't know if that's all of corn ethanol's subsidies. My main problem is subsidies, all subsidies, except for basic science, e.g. getting hydrocarbon fuel from cellulose in new and cheaper methods, not distilling ethanol from corn. There should be nothing for producing commodities. That's what a free market should determine.

36 posted on 11/24/2011 12:22:27 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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