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Angry landlord crushed mobile home while tenants fled, deputies report
orlandosentinel.com ^ | Nov. 23, 2011 | Henry Pierson Curtis

Posted on 11/23/2011 7:58:25 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

Landlord John Miller will miss Thanksgiving at home this year after what may be Central Florida's first case of eviction rage ending in attempted-murder charges.

Miller remains held without bail in the Orange County Jail after crushing a mobile home with a large front-end loader while a terrified child cowered inside as a woman tried to save her, according to Sheriff's Office records.

"Good, then I got what I wanted," Miller, 51, said after deputies told him the roof had collapsed and the small trailer was uninhabitable.

The attack began Tuesday afternoon on West Ponkan Road near Apopka when 911 calls reported the Mount Dora landlord had been chasing his tenants with a front-end loader after destroying their home rather than waiting for them to leave Dec. 1. He previously has been charged with refusing to vaccinate a dog or cat against rabies as well as firing a gun in public, records show.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: floriduh; forcible; prison; sex; sodomy

1 posted on 11/23/2011 7:58:26 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

oh sure, blame the landlord.


2 posted on 11/23/2011 8:07:55 PM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: longfellow

It’s ok to think this guy is a piece of crap even though he’s the landlord. If someone doesn’t pay their rent, then kick them out. But that doesn’t give you the right to act like a mental case and try to kill them.


3 posted on 11/23/2011 8:16:49 PM PST by christx30
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To: christx30

I don’t think he was trying to kill them. Instead I think he was trying to scare the crap out of them and also render his property uninhabitable so they would have to leave.


4 posted on 11/23/2011 8:35:45 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: christx30
It’s ok to think this guy is a piece of crap even though he’s the landlord. If someone doesn’t pay their rent, then kick them out. But that doesn’t give you the right to act like a mental case and try to kill them.

Say you hold a mortgage on the rental property and you're making the payments every month, but your renters aren't, plus you have your house mortgage you're making payments on, and you have been trying to evict the deadbeats for two years and now you can't make your payments anymore and you are about to be evicted yourself.

But it's easy to be self-righteous when it ain't your skin in the game.

5 posted on 11/23/2011 8:46:35 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

He crushed the home while a child was inside the place. It may be a hair’s breath away from attempted murder. It is at the very least reckless endangerment. He needs the book thrown at him.
There are legal avenues open to a landlord that is trying to evict someone. You don’t need to burn down the apartment complex or destroy the trailer to kick someone out. If he had done it right he could have spent Thanksgiving with his family, and not been in jail.


6 posted on 11/23/2011 8:46:40 PM PST by christx30
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Like I said to another poster. There are LEGAL ways of getting people out, without destroying the property to do so.


7 posted on 11/23/2011 8:51:12 PM PST by christx30
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To: christx30
There are LEGAL ways of getting people out, without destroying the property to do so.

And there are LEGAL ways to put it off for YEARS, especially if you are Eric Holder's people.

8 posted on 11/23/2011 8:52:46 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

But if you try to do it the way he is doing it, you stand a very good chance of going to jail.
from the full article...

“Valdez paid $150 a week for the trailer and had lived there for four months with her three children, brother and sister-in-law. She said she wasn’t behind in rent but upset Miller’s family earlier this month over the use of a table at a yard sale.”

So it wasn’t about rent payments at all. She paid her bills. He’s just an unbalanced asshole that didn’t want to wait until the agreed upon move out date of Dec. 1st.
He smashed the place while a child was inside. She was screaming at him to stop and let her get her kid.
Let this guy rot in jail.


9 posted on 11/23/2011 9:04:24 PM PST by christx30
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To: christx30

He did go a bit overboard, but do you think that couple will ever get behind on their rent or try to stay in a rental without paying? More than likely not!


10 posted on 11/23/2011 9:16:50 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Sounds like the rent was current.


11 posted on 11/23/2011 9:20:54 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It’s always possible. People get behind on their rent all the time, and beg to stay and go through all sorts of things to stay without paying. Happens all the time.
But that didn’t happen in this case. The article said that she was current on her rent, but she used a table in a yard sale, so he was kicking her out. That’s fine too. If she did something that was against the lease, then by all means, get her out of there. Set a move out date (which was done) and tell her that you expect he to be out on that date, or earlier if she can. But he couldn’t wait 9 days. He bulldozed the place with a kid inside.


12 posted on 11/23/2011 9:21:54 PM PST by christx30
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I am a landlord, and if I were ever to have a deadbeat tenant on my property I would have the county court send the sheriff to evict him or her.

Of course, I’m a sane, law-abiding person, not an piece of psychotic, turtle-eating cracker trash.


13 posted on 11/23/2011 9:25:30 PM PST by Space Patrol Hoppa
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa

Hey! Hey! Turtle is good.


14 posted on 11/23/2011 9:42:52 PM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: Safetgiver

I use “turtle-eating” in the metaphorical sense, of course.


15 posted on 11/23/2011 10:05:53 PM PST by Space Patrol Hoppa
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I personally don’t believe she was current with the rent.I’ve known people who have had to pay utilities bills for more than 6 months trying to evict people.One of them for spite started taking in laundry and being paid for it while the landlord paid the water bills....


16 posted on 11/23/2011 10:16:26 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: christx30

You have obviously never rented out a property and had to cover bills for other people when they don’t pay.....


17 posted on 11/23/2011 10:17:55 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly and some of them know every trick in the book about not paying rent and living scott free.I’d say the man was at the end of his rope and wanted them gone NOW.


18 posted on 11/23/2011 10:19:11 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: christx30

That is what she is saying renter lie like that to the police often.


19 posted on 11/23/2011 10:19:57 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa

I used to be a landlord too.You must never have ran into what is known as a professional renter who knows all the tricks to say without paying a dime of rent.It can take up to 3 years to get rid of someone like that while you are paying all the bills.


20 posted on 11/23/2011 10:21:44 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I'm the same way when I don't get my coffee in the morning.

Out comes the bulldozer.

21 posted on 11/23/2011 10:25:55 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: chris_bdba

That point can be easily investigated. If she didn’t pay her rent, then she can be kicked out. No problem But if she was current, then he had no right to do anything like what he did.
And even if she was behind on her rent, he can call the sheriff’s department to get her out. That’s one of the things they do there. Enforcing legal orders of eviction. Some states even allow you to go into the property and take stuff like the TV to hold until the rent is paid. He could have done that too. But he endangered the lives of everyone in the place and probably adversely affected his own life by doing this stupid act.
So... yay that woman and her family are out. But he’ll spend a lot of time behind bars, won’t be able to rent out that place to someone else, and will probably lose that land.
Way to go.


22 posted on 11/23/2011 10:36:10 PM PST by christx30
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To: chris_bdba

You’re right, because I carefully vet the people to whom I rent. I wouldn’t rent to anyone I didn’t trust. I’d let my property sit empty first.


23 posted on 11/23/2011 11:57:52 PM PST by Space Patrol Hoppa
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’ve had landlords that are worse.


24 posted on 11/24/2011 7:01:41 AM PST by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: christx30

No dear someone referred to as a professional renter can survive an eviction.All one has to do is get pregnant or a myriad of other things that invalidate an order.Even just cleaning to be pregnant will halt any action by a sheriff in serving orders.Many of you seem ignorant of landlord tenant laws.


25 posted on 11/25/2011 10:33:04 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa

So did we even running credit checks on people and background checks.Some day someone will get through.We no longer rent because the laws are so heavily weighted on the side of the tenant.


26 posted on 11/25/2011 10:34:24 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"He did go a bit overboard......"

You don't say!

Is that like being a little bit pregnant?

Leni

27 posted on 11/25/2011 10:47:00 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

I still think he was trying to scare the living daylights out of them and not kill them. Whether you are trying to scare or prank some one some times they can get carried away which can lead to death. You didn’t see the tenants become a little bit dead, did you? No, just a scared. They will be better paying tenants from now on to whom ever they rent from in the future.


28 posted on 11/25/2011 11:19:10 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: chris_bdba

That’s not what happened in this case. The guy just went bonkers and destroyed that place. He could have done it right and saved himself a lot of headache. Now she is probably going to end up owning his property after she sues his ass for nearly killing her kid. And it’s going to be difficult for him to defend himself in the lawsuit since he is most likely going to be in jail.


29 posted on 11/25/2011 11:51:03 AM PST by christx30
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To: Space Patrol Hoppa; Safetgiver
"I like turtles."


30 posted on 11/25/2011 11:53:44 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: christx30

And you know that how? Because the story was wrote in a left wing manner to make the tenant look sympathetic? No I’ve known a lot of landlords in my time and when they get to this point it is normally after months and months of expense trying to get rid of a non paying tenant.I seriously doubt that there is much to take from the man and if he has never been in trouble before don’t be surprised if he serves 30 days or less.When you are at the end of your rope and take the evidence in with you about the abuses the tenant has committed seldom is it held against you.You can have your opinion I’m telling you what actually happens.


31 posted on 11/25/2011 9:53:32 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

I’m just going by what I read in the article. If you have another source of information that I don’t, please feel free to share. But the way it stands now, she looks like she’s been paying her bills. The article says that she is current on her rent. And unless she’s doing something horrible to the property (loud music, Obama signs in the front yard) I don’t see the problem with her.


32 posted on 11/25/2011 10:00:13 PM PST by christx30
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To: chris_bdba

Found another article.
http://www.wesh.com/r/29846458/detail.html

If you don’t want to go there, here’s what I’m pointing to:

“The two said it wasn’t about rent, but rather a dispute over a table between the tenants and landlord that got out of hand.”

And he is being charged with attempted murder. That’s not the left wing media saying that’s what happened. That the state AG’s office saying that. The Florida AG is a Republican named Pam Bondi.
Everything I’m reading shows this was not “months and months” of trying to get his tenant out. They got into an arguement about a TABLE. He wanted her out, and she said that she’d be out by Dec. 1st. Probably because that was when her apartment was going to be ready. There is nothing on his side that was justify what he did. Even if you thought that it was ok to destroy the trailer, when he was told that there is a child inside he needed to stop.
“After Peach rushed in to help, the roof collapsed and the walls came down, but that didn’t stop Miller, Peach said.
It was only the threat of death via a Sheriff’s deputy’s rifle that got him to stop. Not a mother’s pleading voice.
The guy’s scum. He’s facing 25 to life. And good riddance.


33 posted on 11/26/2011 11:28:31 AM PST by christx30
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