Posted on 11/24/2011 5:53:24 PM PST by Morgana
STOCKTON, Calif. (KCRA) -- Earlier this year, a Stockton student was handcuffed with zip ties on his hands and feet, forced to go to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation and was charged with battery on a police officer. That student was 5 years old.
Michael Davis is diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder or ADHD. His mother says it has led to fights at school. But when the school district said it had a plan to change Michael's behavior, his mother says things went wrong.
"Michael is energetic," Thelma Gray said. "He is one big ball of energy."
Gray calls Michael a comedian. She says his biggest problem is his ADHD stops him from thinking before he acts or speaks.
"He's very loving," Gray said. "He's a good kid and he's not the discipline problem that he was made out to be."
Those discipline problems include fights with other students, even throwing a chair.
Gray says the school, Rio Calaveras Elementary of Stockton, wanted to change that behavior by having Michael meet with a school police officer.
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Having said that, I have no problem with whatever physical restraint is necessary if the kid is presenting a threat to himself or others, but how much restraint is necessary for a five year old? And criminal charges?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!
Joe the five year old was on America’s Most Wanted last week! Yea really! He is wanted for grand theft auto. (stole a neighbor kids toy car)
Yea Joe he is a hardened criminal I tell you. Headed for Sing Song prison this one is.
(do I even need the sarc tag for all of this?)
Sounds like he is allergic to male authority figures. What he needs is a strong father in his life who’ll discipline him properly until he learns to control himself.
land-of-the-free alert.
Wow.
I should have been put away for life at that age.
Exactly. But until then, they should take away his gun and badge.
HA!!!
lol!
Don't make me climb over this counter, punk!
Thelma Grays son is named Michael Davis....possible cause of allergies???
GREAT Profile page Morgana. That’s the RQSR attitude.
This isn’t the first time I have seen stories of 5-9 year olds assaulting cops on FR. lol. Mean little farts. heh
Those cops deserve medals. lol.
He's 5 years old. He's got BRAT disorder. And parents that probably should have stuck with puppies or cats for companionship. Or maybe pet rocks.
This just plain embarrassing to read all of the over educated numb skulls that had to get involved in this train wreck of incompetent parents vs incompetent administrators and bloated bureaucratic system. I'm so glad the government confiscates my money to fund this sort of thing (read: crap).
Flame throwers ready.....the odds that this kid has an organic medical problem are no better than 1 in a thousand, probably not even that.
What’s the sex and size of the officer? UMass recently had a 4 foot 10, Asian, lesbian chief of police (don’t get me started). She would have had to shoot this kid to control him.
Cops are not your friend anymore and certainly not someone to look up to as a role model. As demonstrated by this brave example of todays police officer. Good thing the kid didn’t have a dog
They wanted to label my son ADHD. He wasn't. He was hypoglycemic. Changed his diet and no more problems.
But then again, hypoglycemia doesn't qualify for additional federal funding. They weren't interested in him from that point forward.
So glad I decided to home school when he got older...
You need more apostrophes. It should be:
Ye'a 5 year old's are very dangerou's to cop's
children that are out of control with mental issues can bite and human bites are more dangerous than dog bites, they can also head butt, breaking noses.
Moreover, the child can hurt himself with headbanging etc.
At some point, the officers had to make a decision. I would want to know the whole story of the episode.
In the old days, this kid would be dead or institutionalized pretty soon.
Tmes have changed.
That’s why we see this stuff in schools, etc. that we never used to..add to that the general lack of discipline, we’ve got a mess for a teacher to try to deal with and teach.
Why do they allow frightened geldings who quiver at the sight of a 5-year old to become police officers?
Perhaps one problem is that the schools would rather drug kids into submission than teach them how to live with their behavior.
He needs an outlet for his energy. He needs classes that involve a lot of activity. And he needs good discipline.
Cop is a loser
5 year old handcuffed... What were you thinking officer? No matter what, a 5year old is not dangerous.
5 year old handcuffed... What were you thinking officer? No matter what, a 5year old is not dangerous.
Ding ding ding!
We have a winner!
ROTFLMAO!
I can empathize with you. We homeschooled from the get go, because the school system was so bad, but also because there was no way our daughter and the school were going to peacefully coexist.
As far as other reasons for behavioral problems, I also understand. Ours had a pretty strong issue with dairy products. We thought it was just intestinal type problems, but discovered that if we fed her dairy several days in a row she turned into a little monster (figure about 1-1/2 to 2 yo). Easily remedied in her case. But, that was not the reason for HSing. She was too smart, too high strung and too much of a perfectionist. She needed the kind of handling that the school system was incapable of. All problems were Ritalin problems. They were drugging every non compliant kid into submission. The numbers were ugly, IMO.
My point is that you are correct, but statistically you are the exception. If I had to bet based on just what is in this piece, I'm going to bet on what I said. Sure I could be wrong. But it's a lot more likely I'm going to win than if I bet the other way.
We have these discussions on FR all the time where we have to extrapolate from the limited information we get. The thing I have noticed is some of us tend to go from the micro to the macro in our interpretations. That's the wrong direction logically.
Chuckle.
Keep talking like that and you made need a trip to the hoosegow for a little attitude adjustment.
I wonder if he had to call for back up?
Reads as though The Board of Eduction needs to be applied to the Seat of Knowledge.
Nobody needed drugs.
And back in the old days, nobody was stupid enough to think little boys and little girls should be forced to react in ways that were convenient to their teachers, but against human nature.
Poor teachers!
If they could gain the power to force their students to uniformly comply, the job of teaching the little brats would be soo much easier!
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Did the cop shoot the suspect with 22 bullets?
Decades ago, I knew a rambunctious little boy who had to sit QUIETLY in church for 1 very long hour. Same for the ladies apparel dept. at Gayfers, & numerous other places.
That little boy didn't like it one bit! But the huge, tail-swatting hand was always quicker than the child, & had a vise grip. The lesson was quickly learned.
The boy survived, didn't become a mass murderer or anything bad, & society was a little better for it.
I'd say the kid in this story would fit right in at any OWS protest.
Yes. The cop fired 22 bullets of caliber .45! :)
Since he is so young, definitely check with your pediatrician. Candidas Albicans can cause a lot of problems if unchecked, including problems concentrating, mood swings, problems sleeping, chronic fatigue, etc.
My son couldn't do milk either.
Yes. Meanwhile, why is a 5-yo boy being forced to sit quietly in a chair as if he were a compliant 9-yo girl? Most 5 -yo boys just are not ready for the government school routine of “shut up and obey my orders.” It takes time to break their spirit.
Mama needs to be home for her son, and son needs to have a full-time father to help him expend some of that NORMAL boy energy.
oh, and cop needs to find another line of work.
I do care that my taxes go towards paying for a bloated, corrupt, and inefficient public education system that is consistently failing to fulfill their supposed government charter in our society.
Compulsory K-12 education has drifted far beyond the noble goal of providing a “free” opportunity for every minor child citizen of the USA, to obtain at least a basic level of literacy involving reading,writing, mathematics, science and history.
The K-12 compulsory education system has devolved into a bureaucracy more concerned with expanding their power, money and benefits than educating children.
>Most 5 -yo boys just are not ready for the government school routine of “shut up and obey my orders.”
Why do you think they start at age 5...
>It takes time to break their spirit.
...and continue for another 13 years?
As do the over educated people that think all children who can't perform like regimented adults should be drugged into submission.
Personally, I'd pay good money to see all the elementary school teachers and administrators be forced to sit still for 6 hours everyday, be forced to eat lunch without speaking, have no recess time and be hollered at for squirming after several hours this regimentation. Ditto for the doctors that rubber stamp the opinions of a teacher that says a child who doesn't have the attention span of an adult should be drugged.
I've seen it up close. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to pump soma into the a/c vents every day a la Huxley.
Parents of children with genuine problems, don't bother flaming me. What I've said about the system is still true.
Immensely cute, clever.
Thank you for bringing this up. My Nephew has severe autism...THE ORIGINAL autism..not this umbrella autism they stick little boys under when they have ants in their pants. And you are correct. So much of it is food allergy. If people really knew they’d be shocked. I was just speaking to a gal whose son had all the characteristics of autism...the wanted to put him on drugs, but she did her own research and changed his diet..CELIAC disease...he’s fine now.
Well, since you can no longer even SPANK a child in most states without CPS getting involved, what did you think was going to happen?
One middle school has banned any sports with “balls” cause a parent on the sidelines got hit in the head with a flying ball...I give up.
“She knows because she ultimately obtained a copy of the police report.
In it, the officer, Lt. Frank Gordo, says he placed his hand on Michael’s and, “the boy pushed my hand away in a batting motion, pushed papers off the table, and kicked me in the right knee.”
When Michael wouldn’t calm down, Gordo cuffed Michael’s hands and feet with zip ties and took the boy to the Stockton Kaiser Psychiatric Hospital in the back of a squad car.
He had not called Michael’s mother or father at that point.”
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Think about this. The boy went beserk when the cop touched his knee. We are not allowed to touch cops but a cop can touch this kid? Furthermore, the kid goes wild when touched? The cop did not suspect some kind of sexual abuse in the child? Oh good job officer. Yes and officer always a good idea to be alone in the room with a child this young just asking to have sex abuse charges brought against you years later.
This thing was a cluster f**k from the get go.
I don’t think I’d automatically suspect child abuse because the kid went berserk when being touched by the cop. My kid would have gone off had a stranger done the same thing. Probably would have started screaming to high heaven. We can’t really get a feel for the emotional dynamics at that moment.
Personally, I don’t think the average 5 yo boy should be in public school all day to begin with. Not that I am assuming this kid is average. And we shouldn’t be calling out police to deal with 5 yo behavior problems. Loony.
You can bet the bank that everyone involved in this incident is massaging their version of events.
A 5 year old cannot be left alone, especially if they are disturbed. Neither can they be allowed to go berserk, damage property, or injure themselves or others.
The only recourse for ANY non-parental adult is to restrain the child. Based on the little I know from this story, I think the cop did the right thing.
I am completely on the side of the public when a child goes berserk. They must be stopped & restrained immediately, & the parents held entirely responsible for the behavior of the child, to the point of criminal charges of neglect & abuse, plus payment of damages.
Until there are serious penalties for failure to raise a human child vs. a wild animal, society will continue to decline.
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