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Coins from 17AD found under Jerusalem's Western Wall hints sacred site NOT built by Herod
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 11-25-2011 | Rob Waugh

Posted on 11/26/2011 3:24:42 AM PST by Renfield

The history of one of the world's holiest sites - sacred to both Jews and Muslims - is set to be rewritten, following a surprise discovery in a ritual bath beneath the complex.

It proves that the Wall - supposedly built by Herod, the Jewish king who features prominently in the Gospels, was in fact built much later.

Newly found coins underneath Jerusalem’s Western Wall could change the accepted belief about the construction of one of the world’s most sacred sites two millennia ago, Israeli archaeologists said Wednesday....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; israel; jerusalem; jews; letshavejerusalem; metaldetecting; romanempire; romans

1 posted on 11/26/2011 3:24:53 AM PST by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

old buried stuff ping


2 posted on 11/26/2011 3:30:45 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Renfield
They start off the article as if it's a religion-changing discovery. As you read further it becomes clear that all this find does is change the time-frame and validate other Jewish writings.
Basically it took longer to build than previously thought.
Interesting news but it doesn't change the fact that the Moslem hordes still occupy a jewish holy site that has no worth whatsoever to the pagan religion of Islam (a religion of which much is stolen from Judaism).
3 posted on 11/26/2011 3:50:29 AM PST by brent13a (Freerepublic is a great site for conservative news, if you can stomach the cop hating.)
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To: Renfield

headline is deceiving. this find means that this part of the huge installation was begun way after Herod’s death. i don’t think anyone will dispute that the initiative for the rebuilding of Temple Mount was Herod’s.


4 posted on 11/26/2011 3:51:48 AM PST by avital2
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To: brent13a

The coins confirm a contemporary account by Josephus Flavius, a Jewish general who became a Roman historian.

Writing after a Jewish revolt against Rome and the destruction of the Temple by legionnaires in 70 A.D., he recounted that work on the Temple Mount had been completed only by King Agrippa II, Herod’s great-grandson, two decades before the entire compound was destroyed.

This would also explain how the Western Wall survived the prophecy by Jesus - ...not one stone upon another...
It hadn’t been built yet, during the lifetime of Jesus.


5 posted on 11/26/2011 3:59:21 AM PST by Paisan
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To: Renfield
In Matthew 24 Jesus predicted that the temple compound His disciples were looking at would be destroyed within their normal lifetimes ostensibly in 70 CE. The existence of the western wall has been taken by some as evidence this prophecy was not fulfilled at that time since He specifically said one stone would not sit upon another after the event.

This current discovery shows the wall was, in fact, built later thus supporting the accuracy of His words.

6 posted on 11/26/2011 3:59:53 AM PST by stormhill
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To: Renfield

Very interesting—thanks for posing.


7 posted on 11/26/2011 4:01:56 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Renfield
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Denial
8 posted on 11/26/2011 4:09:36 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Renfield

People have been digging tunnels for thousands of years in this part of the world, and the Pali’s have been digging in the same area weakening the walls; when they haul off the dirt the Israeli’s go and scavange the dirt at the land fill for artifacts....


9 posted on 11/26/2011 4:09:56 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Renfield

- sacred to both Jews and Muslims -

Right. Sacred to muslims. Right.


10 posted on 11/26/2011 4:41:50 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Renfield

One of the most common misconceptions is that the Western Wall was part of Herod’s Temple. It was not. The Western Wall is part of the Temple Mount. Herod and his successors built the wall as a retaining wall in order to expand the level platform at the top of the Mount.

The Temple, which stood on top of the Mount was destroyed by Vespasian’s army in 70AD, but the Western Wall of the Mount was not.


11 posted on 11/26/2011 6:28:24 AM PST by bobjam
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To: Renfield
Herod, the Jewish king

BZZZZZT! We're sorry, but Herod was an Edomite (descendent of Esau), not a Jew (descendent of Jacob).

12 posted on 11/26/2011 6:30:36 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Never mind.)
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To: Renfield; Tainan; brent13a; avital2; Paisan; stormhill; basil; SkyPilot; Jumper; TalBlack; ...

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Thanks Tainan for the ping and thanks Renfield for the topic. Great tagline, brent13a.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


13 posted on 11/26/2011 7:29:35 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Paisan

I like the way you think. That’s a good catch!


14 posted on 11/26/2011 8:15:54 AM PST by jonboy
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To: Renfield

Interesting. Thanks!


15 posted on 11/26/2011 10:22:55 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
BZZZZZT! We're sorry, but Herod was an Edomite (descendent of Esau), not a Jew (descendent of Jacob).

Not quite. Herod's father was an Edomite. But the Hasmoneans forcibly converted the Edomites to Judaism in about 125 BCE, roughly a generation before Herod's father was born. From the writings of Josephus, it seems like the forcible conversion stuck, and the Edomites became believing Jews. So, on his father's side, I think it would be fair to say Herod was Jewish.

Herod's mother, on the other hand, was a Nabatean, not an Israelite or an Edomite.

16 posted on 11/28/2011 11:52:59 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew (.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Okay, cool, I didn’t know all of those details. That would explain why the Herods would be interested in building such a grand temple.

My comment was more about their ethnicity rather than their faith.


17 posted on 11/29/2011 7:14:17 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Never mind.)
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To: Renfield

Got to throw the Bullshiit flag on this one.
The coin could not have said 17 A.D. for the renumbering of years didn’t happen till centuries later.
Most scholars agree that King Herod lived “around 74 B.C. to around 4 B.C.” remembering that there was no B.C. or A.D. at that time so the discrepancy could only be around twenty years, hardly earth shattering news. Besides, there is a ton of problems with this secular reckoning. Jesus Christ’s life was threatened by that same King according to the Gospels. So their lives did overlap according to the Scriptures. When it comes to ancient history I will always take the Bible’s reckoning of time over man’s. God’s Word is just that, and man’s word is a pile of *.
Besides who found the coins? If they were “found” by Muslims who could believe that bunch of stone throwing riff-raff?


18 posted on 12/02/2011 5:41:17 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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