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Cyclist Shoots Dog on Thanksgiving Day
UPI ^ | Nov. 26, 2011

Posted on 11/26/2011 6:20:15 PM PST by nickcarraway

A gun-toting man on a bicycle in South Florida shot and killed a Doberman Saturday, saying the dog was threatening him.

Dan Abou, who was training the 2-year-old to be a therapy dog, acknowledged Scooby was in his unfenced front yard without a leash, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported. But he described Scooby as a gentle animal and said many dogs are allowed out without restraints in his neighborhood in Davie with no problems.

"It's very alarming that someone would be riding a bike with a gun at 11 a.m. on Thanksgiving Day," Abou said Friday. "That man came here looking for trouble. I still can't believe this."

Police were investigating the shooting. Investigators say the cyclist had a permit for his gun.

The Doberman Rescue League of Broward took Scooby in after the emaciated dog was found on the street. Abou adopted him in July and planned to use him as a therapy dog at senior citizens centers.


TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: doberman; dog; gooddog; goodshot; waytogo; welldone
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1 posted on 11/26/2011 6:20:18 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
"It's very alarming that someone would be riding a bike with a gun at 11 a.m. on Thanksgiving Day," Abou said Friday. "That man came here looking for trouble. I still can't believe this."

As opposed to say, New years or Veterans day?
2 posted on 11/26/2011 6:22:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: nickcarraway

I was chased by a barking dog on my bike when I was about 10, and I still remember it - and that was only a terrier. The dog’s owner shouldn’t be so blithe about an unsupervised, unleashed DOBERMAN chasing people.


3 posted on 11/26/2011 6:23:04 PM PST by mvpel
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To: nickcarraway

i don’t have issue with the gun but how it was used.. why not cary a can of mace too? animals get excited when u bike or rollerblade. mine does. if he got lose i wouldn’t want him shot.


4 posted on 11/26/2011 6:24:07 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: nickcarraway
The man that allowed the dog to run loose and unattended should be charged with negligence and endangering the life of others. I get tired of irresponsible hand wringing bed wetters getting their panties in a wad and blaming everyone else when they are the ones at fault.
5 posted on 11/26/2011 6:24:21 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: nickcarraway
Actually no. My wife and I ride between 6,500 to 7,500 miles per year. We ride on a lot of back country roads. It is not uncommon for us to have dogs chase us. We have had Rocks, Pits, etc. chase us. I have a dog spray to repel them and sometimes it does not work. Also in the back areas, in the country, there are wild dogs that run loose back there. They take down deer all the time. THUS, WHEN WE RIDE OUT IN THOSE COUNTRY AREAS, I CARRY MY PISTOL IN MY BACK JERSEY POCKET!!! So, it is not UNCOMMON for cyclists to protect themselves from dogs.
6 posted on 11/26/2011 6:27:06 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: nickcarraway
The dumbass leaves a Doberman loose to roam the streets and gets upset when the a guy on a bike shoots it after it chases him?

I've been chased by loose dogs before. I sympathize with the cyclist.

7 posted on 11/26/2011 6:27:37 PM PST by EricT. (Is a country that would re-elect Baroke Hussein Owebama really worth saving?)
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To: nickcarraway

It sounds like a sensible alternative to a whole bunch of stitches and new pair of pants.


8 posted on 11/26/2011 6:29:31 PM PST by Track9
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To: nickcarraway
A dog can be friendly, but when on the loose and see what they perceive someone to be fleeing, they can and do attack. When a kid I was pulled off bicycle and mauled by a neighbor's hound, my dad immediately went and killed it with a shotgun in their front yard.
9 posted on 11/26/2011 6:29:53 PM PST by Sea Parrot (%)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ping


10 posted on 11/26/2011 6:30:14 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The dog owner who let his dog run off leash killed the dog, that is all.


11 posted on 11/26/2011 6:32:12 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: nickcarraway

The guy was going to take his doberman in as a therapy dog at senior citizen centers?


12 posted on 11/26/2011 6:32:51 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: nickcarraway

Many dogs have a thing about spinning wheels, which is why they go after bicycles. This is kind of a “he says, she says” sort of story, but I suspect that the dog went after the bicycle. Whether the guy had to shoot it to defend himself, I don’t know.


13 posted on 11/26/2011 6:45:35 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: vetvetdoug
The man that allowed the dog to run loose and unattended should be charged with negligence and endangering the life of others.

Absolutely! I was in rural Indiana training for a triathlon. I was doing about 25 mph when I saw the dog running out of someones front yard. He ended up under my front wheel, I ended up flying through the air. The impact broke my helmet in three places. The cops gave the owner a lecture.

14 posted on 11/26/2011 6:52:10 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; Shannon; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; ...
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15 posted on 11/26/2011 6:53:23 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: GreaterSwiss
if he got lose i wouldn’t want him shot

Then don't let him loose.

16 posted on 11/26/2011 6:54:05 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: vetvetdoug
The man that allowed the dog to run loose and unattended should be charged with negligence and endangering the life of others.

If he was in his owners' front yard, as reported, he wasn't running loose.

17 posted on 11/26/2011 6:57:28 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: nickcarraway

He should have had either pepper spray or ammonia in a spray bottle. That’s what I always carried to ward off aggressive dogs.


18 posted on 11/26/2011 6:58:41 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: nickcarraway

Off-duty cop?


19 posted on 11/26/2011 6:59:06 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: 9YearLurker
You don't just “take your dog into a convalescent center” at least not in Texas. They must go through tests and training and then more tests. I had one of my terriers certified as a Therapy Dog this past summer. There are all breeds of dogs doing this, Dobermans, Boxers, Rotties, German Shepherds. It depends on the individual dogs temperment and behavior toward strangers and toward other dogs.
20 posted on 11/26/2011 7:02:59 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thanks Joe. Always sad when someone loses their pet, but scary to one possibly being attacked. I agree that Mace or Pepper Spray would be a better alternative for all.


21 posted on 11/26/2011 7:06:06 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: EricT.
The dumbass leaves a Doberman loose to roam the streets and gets upset when the a guy on a bike shoots it after it chases him?

But he has the very leftist, and very anti-gun Sun-Sentinel to do a sympathetic story.

22 posted on 11/26/2011 7:10:47 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Poison Pill
If he was in his owners' front yard, as reported, he wasn't running loose.

According to local law the dog still has to be leashed or behind a fence.

23 posted on 11/26/2011 7:13:13 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: nickcarraway

“It’s very alarming that someone would be riding a bike with a gun at 11 a.m. on Thanksgiving Day,”

I’m an avid cyclist, usually alone on back country roads. If I am on my bike(not racing)I’m armed. Usually can out run the dogs..never caught by one yet..but you never know when.


24 posted on 11/26/2011 7:14:23 PM PST by fjsva
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To: nickcarraway

“It’s very alarming that someone would be riding a bike with a gun at 11 a.m. on Thanksgiving Day,”

I’m an avid cyclist, usually alone on back country roads. If I am on my bike(not racing)I’m armed. Usually can out run the dogs..never caught by one yet..but you never know when.


25 posted on 11/26/2011 7:14:32 PM PST by fjsva
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To: nickcarraway
Dan Abou, who was training the 2-year-old to be a therapy dog, acknowledged Scooby was in his unfenced front yard without a leash, the South Florida Sun Sentinel reported. But he described Scooby as a gentle animal and said many dogs are allowed out without restraints in his neighborhood in Davie with no problems.

I love animals but, forget the laws, common sense says keep them fenced or chained up and not free to run the neighborhood. I wouldn't want a Chihuahua free let alone a Dobie.

I don't blame the poor dog, I blame the owner who is dumber than the dog.

When I rode, dogs were a problem, I see some things don't change???

Notice how they go for emotion to mention he was training the dog to be a therapy dog. I wonder what the slant would be if it were a Pit and I trust Pits more than dobies.

26 posted on 11/26/2011 7:25:59 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Poison Pill
If he was in his owners' front yard, as reported, he wasn't running loose.

An unleashed dog in an unfenced front yard IS most definitely running loose.

27 posted on 11/26/2011 7:32:40 PM PST by VRWCmember (If it wern't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: potlatch

Agreed, however, this is possibly in an “urban” type setting. It’s possible this man packs in case he runs into HUMAN troublemakers. Not saying they couldn’t do with just mace also, but humans might keep “going for it” and need to be shot through.

I’m sure someone will suggest he wear several types of weapons and be well-adapted to grabbing all of them as appropriate.


28 posted on 11/26/2011 7:35:43 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Moonman62
According to local law the dog still has to be leashed or behind a fence.

That seems perfectly reasonable. Sounds like a fine would have been in order.

29 posted on 11/26/2011 7:36:19 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: nickcarraway

Dog owner completely at fault here...


30 posted on 11/26/2011 7:37:08 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: nickcarraway
But he described Scooby as a gentle animal...

Every parent of a child mauled to death by the family pet says the same thing.

31 posted on 11/26/2011 7:40:39 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: ALPAPilot

“The impact broke my helmet in three places.”

3 places huh?
Son, I say Son I really think I would invest in a better helmet. 3 places huh?


32 posted on 11/26/2011 7:41:52 PM PST by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: nickcarraway
But he described Scooby as a gentle animal and said many dogs are allowed out without restraints in his neighborhood in Davie with no problems.

Sounds like the standard line we hear in pit bull stories..."he was such a gentle animal...a good boy." Then keep him inside your own damn house.

33 posted on 11/26/2011 7:50:43 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: VRWCmember
An unleashed dog in an unfenced front yard IS most definitely running loose.

There is most certainly a difference between a dog that stays on his owners property and one roaming out on the street. According to the story the dog was in the yard. If the cyclist is in the street and the dog is in the yard, how is the dog drawing fire? I would be curious to know if the guy on the bike was either a gang banger or a cop.

34 posted on 11/26/2011 7:54:33 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: ALPAPilot
There are wild dog packs in rural Southern Indiana. My dad rescued one as a pup and raised it as a pet. We called him "Old Red" because, like all those wild dogs he was RED!

He loved to scratch his back under one of my great grandfather's wagons. He'd lean up into the axle and rub back and forth until his itch was gone.

Then he'd growl 'cause it was meal time, and he'd go catch something to eat.

That dog scared the heck out of me.

35 posted on 11/26/2011 7:58:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: VRWCmember
An unleashed dog in an unfenced front yard IS most definitely running loose.

I live in a town with a 'leash law'. If the dog is on the owner's property WITHOUT a leash; it is said to be under the owner's control, and NOT in violation of the leash law. Of course, when the unleashed dog sees a cat...

36 posted on 11/26/2011 8:03:49 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: nickcarraway

If I lived in South florida, everytime I left my house I would have my gun.


37 posted on 11/26/2011 8:08:02 PM PST by sport
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To: the OlLine Rebel

[It’s possible this man packs in case he runs into HUMAN troublemakers.]

Good grief. I didn’t read if it was day or night but glad I don’t have to worry about things like that........yet!!


38 posted on 11/26/2011 8:08:43 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: who knows what evil?

Had a little run-in with a dog on Thanksgiving morning myself. I’ve been running lately, and was running through an older neighborhood when I heard a large dog barking. Sure enough, there was a German Shepherd chained up next to the house. No problem. But there was also a little terrier in the yard, and he wasn’t chained. As terriers are fond of doing, he barked at me, and then circled around behind me as I ran by, no doubt hoping to nip at my heels. I just turned at him, waved my arms at him and yelled “rarrarrarr ruff ruff” at him (dog language). He backed off and returned to his yard, and I kept running.

I don’t carry a sidearm when I’m running, but I always have my knife handy. I don’t suspect that I’d need it with a little runt dog, but if a put bull or mean shepherd decides that I look like dinner, I’m going to use it.


39 posted on 11/26/2011 8:18:16 PM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: nickcarraway

There used to be a small revolver called a Velo Dog marketed to cyclists just for this purpose.


40 posted on 11/26/2011 8:19:33 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: meyer
I just turned at him, waved my arms at him and yelled “rarrarrarr ruff ruff” at him (dog language).

Tip: please don't try that with a pit bull. :-)

41 posted on 11/26/2011 8:33:02 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SkyDancer

“He should have had either pepper spray or ammonia in a spray bottle.”

Or a fly swatter,
or a bottle of Listerine,
or a bag of Cheetos,
or a recording of Slim Pickens
or a picture of Nanny Pelosi
or ....


42 posted on 11/26/2011 8:43:32 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Ditter

Yes, a man brought a beautiful Golden Retriever into a doctor’s office the other day while we were there.

It was kind of startling to see a dog and I immediately thought ‘service dog.’ But then I realized the owner was not handicapped so I talked to him and he explained that this was a therapy dog.

Therapy dogs have to be registered and take stringent tests to ascertain how calm and friendly they are. Once they pass the test, they get a dog tag certifying them and they can go in anywhere.

And, yes, all breeds work, but labs and goldens have the best disposition for it.


43 posted on 11/26/2011 8:46:19 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: nickcarraway
I have no sympathy for dog owners who fail to control their animals. They should know better in a densely packed urban environment.

I've been mauled, bitten, and chased by vicious dogs of all sizes--I run. I always carry a small SA pistol. When the attack happens there is little time to assess: should I use the lethal or non-lethal deterrent?

Here is the issue: Should I allow the animal tear my flesh and let modern medicine patch things up? Absurd. The injury could be irreparable. So, attacking animals get shot.

P.S. Spotted a very large coyote the other day. Spotted two the day before. It's not just domestic animals that might be a threat. We haven't even begun to discuss 2-legged predators.

44 posted on 11/26/2011 8:52:41 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: nickcarraway

Why aren’t we told the cyclist’s name? Since we are told that he is a licensed gun owner, per minimum, the police know who he is.

I’m no expert in etymology, but the name “Abou” appears to be Arabic. I wonder if that holds a clue to a possible motive for this apparently unprovoked shooting?

It seems to me that a left-wing paper would have a vested interest in publishing the name of someone who uses a gun in what either was unlawful dispatch of an owner’s property (shooting a dog in its own yard) or lawful self-defense (assuming the unleashed dog left the yard to pursue the bicyclist). Yet, they do not.

The question is: why not?


45 posted on 11/26/2011 8:58:00 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: Rembrandt

Thing too, where did he think or didn’t think where the bullet might go after hitting the dog?


46 posted on 11/26/2011 9:09:33 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Salamander

I expect that you are more familiar with doberman rescues than I am.

Would it be safe to assume that Scooby had most likely been trained and socialized before being adopted?


47 posted on 11/26/2011 9:12:35 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: nickcarraway

Loose dogs are very dangerous when one is on a bike. They run at the wheels just like they do on a car and snap at you too.I know I’ve had one that close but was able to give it a good kick in the snout that sent it running home.


48 posted on 11/26/2011 10:21:42 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Poison Pill

I suspect that the dog jumped the fence to get to the bike....


49 posted on 11/26/2011 10:24:18 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: SkyDancer

According to the mail man we know that stuff does not stop 100% of dogs.For all we know he sprayed the dog first then shot it when that didn’t work.


50 posted on 11/26/2011 10:25:16 PM PST by chris_bdba
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