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Posted on 11/30/2011 4:58:51 AM PST by djf

Bow I know that sometime in the future, filament type light bulbs will stop being sold.

Question: ALL filament type bulbs or just the ones used for lamps, etc?

The reason I ask is that I have a number of fixtures in my house that use the little 25W or so vanity type clear light bulbs and I have never seen itty-bitty fluorescents that could go in those fixtures.

So now I gotta start ripping things out and re-wiring stuff?

Anyone know?

Thanks!


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KEYWORDS: cfl; energy; lightbulb; lightbulbs
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1 posted on 11/30/2011 4:58:53 AM PST by djf
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To: djf

In December 2007, many of these state efforts became moot when the federal government enacted the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which requires all general-purpose light bulbs that produce 310–2600 lumens of light[33] be 30% more energy efficient (similar to current halogen lamps) than then-current incandescent bulbs by 2012 to 2014. The efficiency standards will start with 100-watt bulbs in January 2012 and end with 40-watt bulbs in January 2014.

Light bulbs outside of this range are exempt from the restrictions. Also exempt are several classes of specialty lights, including appliance lamps, rough service bulbs, 3-way, colored lamps, stage lighting, and plant lights.

By 2020, a second tier of restrictions would become effective, which requires all general-purpose bulbs to produce at least 45 lumens per watt (similar to current CFLs). Exemptions from the Act include reflector flood, 3-way, candelabra, colored, and other specialty bulbs.


2 posted on 11/30/2011 5:02:45 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: djf

Honestly, I think they make curly bulbs for nearly all applications now, and they’ve come down in price some. My advice is to stockpile the bulbs you prefer before they are gone from the shelves. I don’t mind the curly bulbs for some uses, but not for all. The savings on electricity is the ONLY reason I have some.

Al Gore and his pals can KMA.


3 posted on 11/30/2011 5:05:10 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: all the best

Great!
Thanks!

Here I was thinking I’d have to head to Home Depot and buy a shopping cart or two full of light bulbs...


4 posted on 11/30/2011 5:06:48 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: Mich Patriot

Question, since you use them for som applications - is the energy difference really noticeable, or is it minor?


5 posted on 11/30/2011 5:06:51 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: djf

LEDs are on the rise. They are bright, they can have any color temperature, they last, are incredibly effecent, and the price is going down. CFLs are a joke and won’t be around once LEDs come down in price enough. CFLs are a means for someone to make a boatload of money in the short term. They’ll be gone before they burn out. Personally, I will never buy a CFL, but I am all over LEDs


6 posted on 11/30/2011 5:08:57 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Mich Patriot

Curly ones are OK for hard to reach places. But for home lighting, they basically are inferior. 90% of my spelling mistakes are because I use them in my living room lamp and they are not all that bright or clear, light-wise.


7 posted on 11/30/2011 5:09:38 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: all the best

The complexity of the regulation is proof that our Government is insane.

A raft of regulation and oversight, regarding something as simple as a light bulb.

Our country is broke and we are paying people to regulate this BS


8 posted on 11/30/2011 5:09:51 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: djf

I have a pretty extensive lava lamp collection (about 18 now). They depend on a “hot” incandescent bulb to function. Maybe I should stock up...


9 posted on 11/30/2011 5:13:54 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Mich Patriot

When I lived in whacko liberal Seattle I thought it would be fun to “accidentally” drop a curly bulb on a busy sidewalk and start screaming about mercury vapor and “someone call the hasmat team”.

I mean, in 2002 my entire building was cleared and hasmat called because someone spilled the powdered sugar off their doughnut onto the carpet. It’s that kind of town. ;-)


10 posted on 11/30/2011 5:16:45 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: djf

The curly monsters don’t fit under a couple of my lamp shades. In the bedrooms, I have lamp shades that fit onto the bulbs. Then, there are still homes with shades in the ceilings that fit over the bulbs. People will have to discard their lamps, and do some rewiring to accommodate the government. Nothing they do is beneficial, including their (too) fragile lights.


11 posted on 11/30/2011 5:17:33 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: djf

Don’t fret.

Not trying to side with the eco-nazis, but you did ask for feedback. :)

Your situation is one which lends itself to a more efficient bulb.

You might track down a 2 watt 110v LED bulb of the same dimensions as those small clear incandescent ones you describe.

The 2 watt outputs the equivalent of 25 watts. Same small format - maybe an inch and a half across - standard base.

Runs cool enough to remove while it’s on.

Paid about $7 for mine. It’s rated something like 25c a year in electricity cost.

Reading with it would be a bit like reading with a candle, but it’s an option for a small 25w anyway.


12 posted on 11/30/2011 5:17:44 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: cuban leaf

I think you will need to upgrade your Easy-Bake oven also.

;-)


13 posted on 11/30/2011 5:18:00 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: djf

they basically are inferior. 90% of my spelling mistakes are because I use them in my living room lamp and they are not all that bright or clear, light-wise...Get a grant from the Federal gov’t. to study the decline of sight in the population from prior culicues to post- curlicues in the next 25 years. That’s 25 years of high end bucks and writing this study wouldn’t be tough, either no difference or big difference.


14 posted on 11/30/2011 5:18:53 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: all the best

“...stage lighting...”

That is one where good old capitalism is taking care of it already. The move to LED lighting for stage application is happening faster than the transition from vinyl LP’s to CD’s.

I can not imagine any venue with a functioning stage using anything but LED’s and lasers within five years.


15 posted on 11/30/2011 5:19:32 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: arderkrag

“Question, since you use them for som applications - is the energy difference really noticeable, or is it minor?”

I know you weren’t addressing me, but I’ll tell you my experience. While I don’t love the new CFL bulbs, they do save money if you use any lighting at all. Where I live (North), in the winter the sun goes down before 5 PM, so I have lights on for several hours a day. (Generally 6+) I had a main fixture in the kitchen that had 5 bulbs, a fixture in the living room with 3 bulbs, each bathroom had 4 bulbs, and each bedroom 2 bulbs. When I made the switch from the incandescents to the CFL’s, my electric bill went from about 85 dollars down to about 20 dollars.

In my honest opinion, the biggest issue with the incandescents is the heat. They produce so much heat, i hate to be under them in the summer. Since they’re basically a 100% efficient heater, if you have 5-100 Watt bulbs, it’s almost like running a space heater when you have them on. That being said, in the winter I don’t mind the normal incandescents heat output as much, because they do heat up the house, but the cost of electricity vs gas heating for me is about 3x the cost, so all the way around, I prefer to use the CFL’s now.

You can do the simple math (a lot of steps, but all simple), to determine if it would save you much money, or you can probably find a calculator online. In my experience, they saved me about 40 dollars a month or so, averaged across the year. In the winter, I use more lighting, but it lowers heat cost, in the summer use less lighting, but it cost significantly more to cool the house with those little heaters going. Anyway, hope that helps!

(I should add that my CFL bulbs were on sale at Sam’s for 2.87/8-Pack, 13Watt/60Watt Equivalent, and that they are quite a bit more expensive now. I have only ever had one go bad—same bulbs, going on 3-4 years now—and that was due to unscrewing it by the end of the bulb and not at the bottom/near the fixture)


16 posted on 11/30/2011 5:20:31 AM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: all the best

I had one of three curley light bulbs go out in the master bathroom overhead light, and there was a strong chemical smell that lasted for hours. I removed the remaining ones and will never go back. I will go on the black market to replace the Edison bulbs when these give out. Screw Green Tech, something that smells that bad when it burns out can’t be good for you! I am sure it is a fascist con by GE to make energy prices necessarily skyrocket!


17 posted on 11/30/2011 5:21:42 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: bk1000

I hope to make the transition to LED’s too. I don’t have a problem with the CFL’s much, except for the sleep distortion (exposure to a Fluorescent light for and extended period disrupts your ability to sleep), and the mercury in them. I think that LED technology is overall superior (I like it in flashlights too, no more worrying about that extra bulb, and less battery drain), but I’m unwilling to shell out the several dollar replacement cost. The CFL’s I have cost me about 25 cents a piece, and have lasted years. When an LED gets down to less than a dollar a bulb (or it’s hyperinflation adjusted equivalent), I’ll consider them more seriously.


18 posted on 11/30/2011 5:25:10 AM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: cuban leaf
LOL. . .that would be a great 'youtube' video and message. ..

Would love for all our Repub candidates declare a moratorium on the 'curly bulb' - at least, as our only choice per light bulbs. Bring the idustry back home; and let's light up, with beautiful lighting.

19 posted on 11/30/2011 5:25:20 AM PST by cricket (Newt. . .the 'anti-Obama' ; and America's antidote, for Obama presidency.)
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To: djf

I actually replace 60 watt incandescents with “100 watt equivalent” curly’s if brightness matters. They are actually noticeably brighter than the 60’s, and at least as bright when you first turn them on.


20 posted on 11/30/2011 5:25:40 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: broken_arrow1

That’s something I’ve seen commented a lot.

Recently I noticed, a trend toward encasing CFL bulbs in a smooth external bulb shell - resulting in a CFL within a round globe - manufactured that way, with the external globe.

I’ve been wondering whether that external globe, prevents the curly-que CFL bulb from catching fire, if it burns out. Anyone happen to know?

That small fire hazard from CFL’s is a deal breaker.


21 posted on 11/30/2011 5:27:06 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: bk1000

—CFLs are a joke and won’t be around once LEDs come down in price enough. —

That is exactly how I see it. I see CFL’s as the modern equivalent of the first cars produced after the government implemented bumper standards on cars. Man those cars were ugly. It’s no longer an issue, though. ;-)

CFL’s are a stopgap.


22 posted on 11/30/2011 5:27:38 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: djf

Presuming a Republican President and Senate in 2012 to go along with the Republican House, repeal of this stupid law would be an early, easy, quick place to start the roll back of intrusive big government ... unless, of course, the progressive Rino Republicans hold sway.


23 posted on 11/30/2011 5:28:03 AM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: djf
There are many high intensity LED bulbs being made that will replace the old filament type. They not only use far less electricity, (about 10 times less) they last 1000 times longer.

Wal-Mart has them.

24 posted on 11/30/2011 5:28:53 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: djf

—I think you will need to upgrade your Easy-Bake oven also.—

Oh crap! And the self cleaning feature requires a 1,000 watt halogen!


25 posted on 11/30/2011 5:30:45 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Agreed.

The increasingly pertinent measure is lumens - since watts no longer relate logically to brightness, the 100w equivalent is something like 1500 lumens?

I think currently it’s something like 100 watts = 1500 lumens = 26 watt CFL?

I’m sure there’s some LED equivalent way down around 5-10 watts, but they’re still astoundingly expensive.


26 posted on 11/30/2011 5:32:24 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("Galts Gulch" <> Communist China)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

A few years back, I go out on my porch one summer night.

It’s dark. Not because of night, well, yes, because of night, but my main outdoor light had blown. Sits on top of about a 17 foot pole.

So I went up there and got it and replaced it. It was a sodium-vapor light.

It’s on a photo sensor so it comes on auto at dark. And had been coming on for all the time I lived hear and even before, I estimate it had burned and worked good for more than 17 years.


27 posted on 11/30/2011 5:35:03 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

LED lighting is costly because of the electronic boards and circuitry required to make them work. The trade off is in the savings in electricity as well as the decades of trouble free operation they will yield. As far as being economical, there is no fair comparison. The LED wins hands down.


28 posted on 11/30/2011 5:37:18 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: djf

Not only that, your smart choice also saved you about 2/3rds the cost for electricity to operate it over that period.


29 posted on 11/30/2011 5:39:59 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: djf

As these threads come up, I’d offer a thought.

Last year in one of these, a Freeper put in a link to a company called national hospitality supply. You can find them on the web.

They sell regular cheap bulbs and a bit more expensive commercial version that lasts years called the decade bulb.

I bought a bunch of the 75 and 100 watt decade bulbs from them. Very happy.

CFLs are terrible. LED’s still very expensive and I’m not yet sold on their light spectrum. So I will be stocked for ten years with normal incandescents and wait it out.


30 posted on 11/30/2011 5:44:55 AM PST by SteveAustin
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To: SteveAustin

A friend of mine is into industrial lighting and he does installations, etc.

He talks “temps” of lights, not meaning the thermometer temperature, but the spectrum-equivalent of what temp the light would have to work at to match the spectrum.

He also says CFL’s are just about the very worst spectrum lights for your eyes that have ever been invented!

Plus I guess they put out a huge amount of electromagnetic noise that can screw up sensitive instruments.


31 posted on 11/30/2011 5:51:29 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: djf

Pretty soon, either you won’t be able to afford electricity or your Smart Meter won’t let you have any.

So it really does not matter.


32 posted on 11/30/2011 5:53:56 AM PST by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: JDW11235

Can you give me any info on the sleep disturbance?


33 posted on 11/30/2011 5:59:40 AM PST by Grammy
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To: bk1000
LEDs may be great in private homes, but I see a big problem with them in public spaces, hotels etc.

They are basically a $30 bill any thief or indigent person can unscrew and slip into their pocket.

Expect to see lots of "street corner resales" of $30 LEDs for ten bucks.

34 posted on 11/30/2011 6:01:35 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

See 34. Comments or thoughts?


35 posted on 11/30/2011 6:02:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Grammy

When I originally heard about the effect of Fluorescent lighting on sleep, it was on the radio, and it was before CFL’s came out. It was referring to people who worked under fluorescent lighting at work, and to the best of my recollection, it was that if you are exposed for more than one hour under the light, it interferes with (I believe it was) melatonin regulation, and that exposure of one hour or longer would cause you to have difficulty sleeping for the next 3 hours. I just did a quick internet search, and there are several pages (Just search CFL or Fluorescent lighting, and sleep disruption).

Here is one link to an eHow page, not exactly authoritative in my book, but at the bottom of the page there are almost 2 dozen references to look at:

“Dangers of CFL Light Bulbs”
http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8381769_dangers-cfl-light-bulbs.html

I also found on Soundsleeping.org that it says that artificial lighting (both Incandescent and Fluorescent) lighting causes your body to think that days are longer, but it was not specific, or well referenced. I’ll try and find more info and get back to you, but the eHow references are probably a good place to start.


36 posted on 11/30/2011 6:14:16 AM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: bk1000

We bought an LED to try out. It was $8. It lasted two days before burning out.

Have you had this problem with them at all?


37 posted on 11/30/2011 6:14:32 AM PST by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Travis McGee

It’s like this. I have a light that comes on at night and stays lit all nigh attached to the front of my garage.

I was putting a light bulb in there every 3 weeks when it nurned out A year ago I pleced one of the curly’s in there and haven’t had to replace it yet.

My dining room light is enclosed i a holder, and the heat was burning out that bulb every couple of months. I put the curly in there and it is still in there.

After getting used to themomentary pause before you get light, I don’t have a problem with the curly’s.


38 posted on 11/30/2011 6:18:49 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Travis McGee

It’s like this. I have a light that comes on at night and stays lit all nigh attached to the front of my garage.

I was putting a light bulb in there every 3 weeks when it nurned out A year ago I pleced one of the curly’s in there and haven’t had to replace it yet.

My dining room light is enclosed i a holder, and the heat was burning out that bulb every couple of months. I put the curly in there and it is still in there.

After getting used to the momentary pause before you get light, I don’t have a problem with the curly’s.


39 posted on 11/30/2011 6:18:58 AM PST by Venturer
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To: djf

You can get both regular base and the small base low watt fluorescent bulbs. The problem we’ve had is that the bases on the smaller based bulbs is that they have a tendency to twist off when you unscrew them. The only thing I want, is regular night light bulbs to stay on the market.


40 posted on 11/30/2011 6:48:24 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Safetgiver

Maybe you could blame it on math errors while filing taxes!
:)


41 posted on 11/30/2011 6:48:54 AM PST by Sertorius (A hayseed with no Greek and dam^ proud of it)
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To: djf

I now have more than 200 of the 100 watt and 60 150 watt bulbs.

I could care less but...wait for it....

Has anyone noticed how GE and Sylvania have gotten around this mandate, which they lobbied for to line their bottom line?

They are manufacturing 97, 67 watt and so on bulbs.

Yep, they are making bulbs that do not conform to the exacting standard of the mandate which specifically calls certain bulbs for obsolescence by law.

AND!!!! They are now making bulbs that are supposedly brighter and last longer, of the current wattages.

This whole thing was a scam. No it’s a scam.

I hope to have another 100 of the 100 watt bulbs by January and that should cover a lifetime.

Then it’s on to next years “planned obsolescence” bulbs.

FU GE, Sylvania and whatever guhbmint agencies want to tell me watt I can buy.


42 posted on 11/30/2011 6:56:10 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anywaqq)
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To: cuban leaf

You will still be able to get halogen light bulbs, which meet the efficiency standards too, but they’re expensive.


43 posted on 11/30/2011 6:58:09 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: bk1000

I too love LED.

My flashlights run on AA batteries and generate as much as 800 lumen and are programmable for a variety of outputs based on requirements.

LED bulbs for the home are $25 - $50 each and I’ll install them where heat is a factor but at that price they are too expensive still.


44 posted on 11/30/2011 6:59:19 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anywaqq)
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To: PapaBear3625

—You will still be able to get halogen light bulbs, which meet the efficiency standards too, but they’re expensive.—

As long as I can still use all the functions of my easy-bake oven, I’m golden!


45 posted on 11/30/2011 7:01:19 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: djf

Why don’t you just go out before the end of the year and buy about 50-60 25watt bulbs so you have a 3 year or so supply and wait and see if the GOP votes the regular bulbs back in. Who knows?


46 posted on 11/30/2011 7:07:19 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: djf
"I think you will need to upgrade your Easy-Bake oven also. ;-)"

The kind of response that makes FR so enjoyable.

47 posted on 11/30/2011 7:15:10 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: arderkrag

Just to be clear, I only do ‘green’ things to the extent that they make sense for ME. As far as your question, they supposedly use a lot less energy. I also turn off lights when not in the room, and my heat auto dials down when I’m not home. That’s all about my bills though, and yes I think those things make a difference.

For the curly bulbs, I wouldn’t say it’s noticeable. I only have three so far, plus the amount of time I spend at home can vary, and the cost of electricity does change. I live alone, so bulbs last me a long time.


48 posted on 11/30/2011 7:27:03 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sertorius

Write off taxes with computer, printer paper, ink etc., etc. Why not? The banks and politicians do it.


49 posted on 11/30/2011 10:25:43 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: Travis McGee
Plus, when people move out of their house, they will take their LED bulbs with them! I would.
50 posted on 11/30/2011 10:39:30 AM PST by Jay Thomas (If not for my faith in Christ, I would despair.)
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