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Are we going to let Obama get rid of Herman Cain the same way he got rid of Jack Ryan?

Posted on 11/30/2011 7:48:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

The smear campaign against Herman Cain is the exact same kind of smear campaign the media ran against Jack Ryan. Had Jack Ryan not been taken out, we would never have had a Senator Obama, and without a Senator Obama we would never have had a President Obama.

Campaign demise

Ryan married actress Jeri Ryan in 1991; together they have a son, Alex Ryan. They divorced in 1999 in California, and the records of the divorce were sealed at their mutual request. Five years later, when Ryan's Senate campaign began, the Chicago Tribune newspaper and WLS-TV, the local ABC affiliate, sought to have the records released. On March 3, 2004, several of Ryan's GOP primary opponents urged release of the records.[5] Both Ryan and his wife agreed to make their divorce records public, but not make the custody records public, claiming that the custody records could be harmful to their son if released. On March 16, 2004, Ryan won the GOP primary with 36 percent to 23 percent against Jim Oberweis who came in second.[6] Obama won the Democratic primary, with 53 percent to 23 percent against Dan Hynes, who came in second.

On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans' divorce records should be opened to the public, and ruled that a court-appointed referee would later decide which custody files should remain sealed to protect the interests of Ryan's young child.[7] The following week, on April 2, 2004, Barack Obama formally established his position about the Ryans' soon-to-be-released divorce records, and called on Democrats not to inject them into the campaign.[8] The Ryan campaign characterized Obama's stance as hypocritical, because Obama's alleged backers had been emailing reports about the divorce records prior to Judge Schnider's decision.[8]

In May 2004, two polls were conducted statewide where the Chicago Tribune poll found Ryan trailing Obama 52% to 30% [9] while the Sun Times reported that he was trailing Obama 48 percent to 40 percent in the U.S. Senate race, according to a new Daily Southtown poll of 500 likely Illinois voters [10] [11] On June 22, 2004, after receiving a report from the referee, Judge Schnider released the files that were deemed consistent with the interests of Ryan's young child. In those files, Jeri Ryan alleged that Jack Ryan had asked her to perform sexual acts with him in public in sex clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris. Jeri Ryan described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling."[12][1]

The decision to release these files generated much controversy because it went against both parents' direct request, and because it reversed the earlier decision to seal the papers in the best interest of the child. Jim Oberweis, Ryan's defeated GOP opponent, commented that "these are allegations made in a divorce hearing, and we all know people tend to say things that aren't necessarily true in divorce proceedings when there is money involved and custody of children involved."[1]

Prior to release of the documents, Ryan claimed he had told leading Republicans that the divorce file could cause problems for his campaign.[13] After the documents were released, GOP Chair Judy Baar Topinka said of Ryan's comment "It may have been somewhat misleading."[14] Topinka said after the June 25 withdrawal that Ryan's "decision was a personal one" and that the state GOP had not pressured Ryan to drop out.[15][16] Ryan's campaign ended less than a week after the custody records were opened, and Ryan officially filed the documentation to withdraw on July 29, 2004. The same party leaders who called for Ryan's resignation chose Alan Keyes as Ryan's replacement in the race; Keyes lost to Obama, 27% to 70%.


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We know the state-controlled media chooses our candidate. Are we going to let them do it again?
1 posted on 11/30/2011 7:48:15 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think Herman Cain is doing it very well on his own.

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2 posted on 11/30/2011 7:49:39 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION AT THE LINK to show your support for this fine man, Herman Cain, as he fights the left-wing smears against his campaign and character.

Stand With Cain PETITION


3 posted on 11/30/2011 7:50:06 AM PST by montag813
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To: Reagan69

So you plan on voting for someone that state-controlled media approves of, I take it?


4 posted on 11/30/2011 7:52:21 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Are we going to let Obama get rid of Herman Cain the same way he got rid of Jack Ryan?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sure looks that way. Conservatives are falling for the laimstream media’s BS once again.


5 posted on 11/30/2011 7:52:21 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Wanna keep livin' with your momma? Vote for Obama. Tired of the pain? Vote CAIN!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that Herman Cain is being slandered.


6 posted on 11/30/2011 7:52:37 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: Reagan69

I’ll say it again, if Herman were a Democrat all these unsubstantiated allegations would be a resume enhancer. Until one of these women produces a semen stained dress, I believe it is all dirty Chicago-style politics at its best (or worst - depending on your point of view). In the words of James Carville, “Drag a $100 bill through a trailer camp and there’s no telling what you will find.”

The left will always tell you who they are most afraid of, by who they attack with the most ferocity... Cain terrifies the Obamaites. A strong conservative leader elected to the highest office in the U.S. could and likely would forever destroy the Democrat Party’s stranglehold on the black vote. The Democrat Party would cease to have any political clout for generations to come. I’ll vote for Herman Cain for exactly that reason....


7 posted on 11/30/2011 7:54:05 AM PST by 80sReaganite (Where is our next Ronaldus Magnus....?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Cain is too black and too blunt. Both traits are out of favor in a media which decides which line you must stand in to get what’s coming.


8 posted on 11/30/2011 7:54:48 AM PST by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: 80sReaganite

Well said!


9 posted on 11/30/2011 7:55:00 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Wanna keep livin' with your momma? Vote for Obama. Tired of the pain? Vote CAIN!)
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To: 80sReaganite

Stated perfectly.


10 posted on 11/30/2011 7:55:47 AM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: 80sReaganite

But he is not a D.

If any of these are true it puts Mr Cain’s ability to understand the political realm in dire question.


11 posted on 11/30/2011 7:56:17 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Thermalseeker
Sure looks that way. Conservatives are falling for the laimstream media’s BS once again.

Those "conservatives" simply lack moral fiber.
12 posted on 11/30/2011 7:57:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Reagan69

The cliff is that way, lemming.


13 posted on 11/30/2011 7:58:31 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Reagan69
Oh and here's a funny:

http://www.zazzle.com/i_had_an_affair_with_cain_womens_t_tshirt-235058414225093802

I love it for it's sarcastic ability to put things in perspective and its pure entrepreneurial aspect.

GO CAIN!!!

14 posted on 11/30/2011 7:59:56 AM PST by 80sReaganite (Where is our next Ronaldus Magnus....?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; DTxAg

Not everyone on FR that is mocking, braying and crowing over these smears is a conservative. We have some Obots, I am convinced, who have been drawn to these slimes like flies to the sewer. It is as disgusting as anything I’ve seen on this site. Yes, there are good conservatives who are also slinging mud at Cain. But there are others w far more questionable motives.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2813851/posts?page=136#122


15 posted on 11/30/2011 8:02:18 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Obama won both the 2004 primary and general election for the US Senate after his challengers imploded when their divorce files were unsealed.

Before the '04 primary, Obama was running behind Blair Hull when reporters suddenly learned that Hull's wife had taken out a restraining order during their 1998 divorce and that he had reportedly threatened to kill her. The publicity killed his campaign; no charges were filed, however and Obama went on to win the primary with 52% of the vote.

And, by the way: David Axelrod's fingerprints were all over this little episode as well as the Jack Ryan affair.

16 posted on 11/30/2011 8:03:13 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The only opponent with any shot of beating the gangster zer0 is the one who will be willing to attack Barry on his ineligibility. Cain is the only one with any potential of having the guts to do it. Go Citizen Cain!


17 posted on 11/30/2011 8:03:22 AM PST by kreitzer
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
We know the state-controlled media chooses our candidate. Are we going to let them do it again?

Unfortunately, I think the writing was on the wall yesterday when Rush Limbaugh's guest host Mark Steyn spent the first 1/2 hour of the show ripping on Cain with sexual innuendo about all the women riding the "Cain Train" and other thinly disguised sex jokes. When even what should have been the "friendly" media stabs you in the back, it's over. They won. It's going to be Gingrich versus Romney, and the only reason that Gingrich is somewhat immune to being "Cain'ed" is that he has so much baggage already that when the media dumps something like the Fannie Mae thing, the public just shrugs and says that's just "Gingrich being Gingrich".

18 posted on 11/30/2011 8:03:28 AM PST by apillar
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Are we going to let them do it again?

Nope. But, I wish we could bust everyone of those media slugs that are dedicated to the demise of any Republican conservative. They just sit in their ivory towers with a rifle in their hand and pick conservatives off but ALWAYS give their communists/progressives/liberals a free ride. It disgusts me. Why are so many people in power/wealth so liberal when they always use the capitalist system to make their way? Grrrrrrr!


19 posted on 11/30/2011 8:03:45 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: 80sReaganite

Ditto!


20 posted on 11/30/2011 8:04:26 AM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
We know the state-controlled media chooses our candidate. Are we going to let them do it again?

I am not voting for Cain in the primaries anyway, so no. Herman doesn't know enough about policy to be President. The damage from the various bimbo eruptions are a result of his own mishandling of them.

The latest one could have been put to rest easily had Herman simply come out and explained this 13 year friendship, why he was in regular contact with her, why was he helping her financially, and why his wife doesn't appear to have known about it. Instead he remains vague which leads many to believe where there is smoke, there is fire. It is not enough for his supporters to claims she is a low rent piece of trash. Yup, she appears to be exactly that - but this being the case, why on earth would Cain be giving her financial assistance? Cain just doesn't adequately explain any of this and because of that the story will never go away.

21 posted on 11/30/2011 8:05:27 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: cripplecreek

Or a sense of history. I mean, really, how many times to Republican candidates have to be “Borked” before the electorate catches on? I can’t decide which is worse, the unfounded allegations or the people who take the bait, hook, line and sinker, even to the point of making stuff up to support and justify their position. If they can do this to a man with Cain’s integrity without a shred of evidence imagine what it’s going to be like when Newt or Romney get the nomination! This is yet another sad, sad commentary on our citizenry.


22 posted on 11/30/2011 8:05:38 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Wanna keep livin' with your momma? Vote for Obama. Tired of the pain? Vote CAIN!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Axelrod's the one behnd these tactics.


23 posted on 11/30/2011 8:06:24 AM PST by eCSMaster (Democrats: the Party of NO!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“We know the state-controlled media chooses our candidate”

In 2008 the MSM(working with the Democrats) chose McCain as the Republican presidential candidate. It worked to help McCain and to undermine the other candidates. A small part of this is documented in the book Game Change.

It is clear the MSM and the Democrats want Huntsman as the Republican candidate in 2012. If it is not him, it appears they want Romney or Gingrich.

Whoever the candidate is, he will be attacked relentlessly by the MSM as soon as he gets the nomination.

The most important attribute a Republican candidate must have is the ability to bypass the liars in the MSM and deliver his message directly to the American people.

If a candidate can’t do that, nothing else matters.


24 posted on 11/30/2011 8:06:30 AM PST by detective
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Looks like a lot of people are willing to do just that.


25 posted on 11/30/2011 8:06:38 AM PST by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: Fantasywriter

Oh noes, now it’s following me and pinging me on other threads that I’m not posting in, too.


26 posted on 11/30/2011 8:10:08 AM PST by DTxAg
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Just because Obama is a socialist doesn’t mean Jack Ryan wasn’t a scumbag. Neither one should have been elected/electable.


27 posted on 11/30/2011 8:10:15 AM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Thermalseeker

As much as I despise Gingrich and Romney, I’ll still defend both against baseless personal attacks. As far as their records are concerned, they’re on their own.


28 posted on 11/30/2011 8:11:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Ryan is a sick puppy. His own actions ruined his marriage and hurt his child. His own actions ruined his chances at public office. His only argument is that someone uncovered his degenerate secret.

Don’t think this argument helps Cain in the least. It just reminds the public that Republicans can be degenerates as well.


29 posted on 11/30/2011 8:11:31 AM PST by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: Thermalseeker
Or a sense of history. I mean, really, how many times to Republican candidates have to be “Borked” before the electorate catches on?

After seeing what happened with Joe Miller and Lisa Murkowski, I'm not convinced it's just the press and the Dems.

30 posted on 11/30/2011 8:13:56 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: 80sReaganite
A strong conservative leader elected to the highest office in the U.S. could and likely would forever destroy the Democrat Party’s stranglehold on the black vote. The Democrat Party would cease to have any political clout for generations to come. I’ll vote for Herman Cain for exactly that reason....

You have hit on the one reason why Cain must be stopped from becoming the GOP nominee...I suspect there are a number of Republicans that don't want the apple cart tipped over, either...

31 posted on 11/30/2011 8:14:04 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: tuckrdout
His own actions ruined his chances at public office. His only argument is that someone uncovered his degenerate secret.

And I'm sure you've never done anything that you wouldn't want the whole world to know about, sitting on high from your seat of judgement as you are.

32 posted on 11/30/2011 8:14:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Are we going to let Obama get rid of Herman Cain the same way he got rid of Jack Ryan?)
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To: cripplecreek

We may be headed towards a brokered convention. It’s certainly possible. I sure don’t see anything that will help Romney climb above the level he’s been at for months. 23% of 50% of the electorate isn’t going to win him the nomination. If the polls are true Gingrich will get the attacks soon and he’ll fall back to low single digits.


33 posted on 11/30/2011 8:14:53 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Wanna keep livin' with your momma? Vote for Obama. Tired of the pain? Vote CAIN!)
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To: stars & stripes forever
BINGO.

Plus this.

It boils down to a series of debates in the Fall of 2012 between Herman Cain and Barack Obama.

They simply CAN NOT LET THIS SITUATION occur. And he must be eliminated well in advance for their own comfort. They do not want him anywhere NEAR that nomination. Smear campaign, pure and simple. How people on "our side" could side with the smear machine, and the Government-Media Complex pushing it 24/7 has caused me to lose faith in many of my fellow Freepers. It has been an extremely sad period to see people hoodwinked this way and not see the enemy at work. Very sad. There are so many principled people on here. But so many others now I have my doubts about, they could be so easily flipped by the Smear Machine which is so good at this kind of negative narrative scandal production and amplification. It is sheer Joseph Goebbels pure and simple. The "Big Lie". They did it on Quayle. They did it on Palin. Cain's turn now. To fight them tooth and nail is most honorable. To buckle under or submit to them is, well, a disgrace in my book. Sorry that is how I see it.

34 posted on 11/30/2011 8:14:57 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (RINO Establishment's next move: State GOP parties boot conservative candidates from future debates)
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To: 80sReaganite

Well said and thanks for saying it again.


35 posted on 11/30/2011 8:16:09 AM PST by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: tacticalogic

I’ve thought all along the Cain attacks have the fingerprints of establishment Republicans all over them. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Romney or Gingrich were behind them, either. Somebody with deep pockets is involved.


36 posted on 11/30/2011 8:17:24 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Wanna keep livin' with your momma? Vote for Obama. Tired of the pain? Vote CAIN!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And I'm sure you've never done anything that you wouldn't want the whole world to know about, sitting on high from your seat of judgement as you are.

Are we talking about the allegation that he took his wife to a club and wanted to have sex with her in front of lots of people? Somehow I think degenerate is a good description.
37 posted on 11/30/2011 8:17:30 AM PST by DTxAg
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To: DTxAg

Welcome to a thread where not everyone is gloating over the Cain-Axelrod smear job. Stay a while. You might get a different perspective.


38 posted on 11/30/2011 8:19:03 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Spot on!


39 posted on 11/30/2011 8:19:15 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Wanna keep livin' with your momma? Vote for Obama. Tired of the pain? Vote CAIN!)
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To: chris37
I could care less about Cain's personal life. It's not relevant if had a hundred affairs.

He's just too inexperienced. This is not the time for On the job training.

40 posted on 11/30/2011 8:20:25 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Thermalseeker
Sure looks that way. Conservatives are falling for the laimstream media’s BS once again.

I listen to talk radio all day, but I refuse to listen to any "conservative talker" who is telling me who the candidate WILL BE at this stage of the election. I can name names, but it is not Rush, Levin, or Sean. I will also boycott their sponsors. Conservative talkers have piled on Cain in the last week, and it is disgraceful when there is no evidence in the "he said, she said" game - anyone can make such a charge and take it to the RAT state run media.
41 posted on 11/30/2011 8:21:00 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: DTxAg
You didn't answer the question.

You evaded it like a sniveling weasel.

And now will come the outright lie.

42 posted on 11/30/2011 8:21:44 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Are we going to let Obama get rid of Herman Cain the same way he got rid of Jack Ryan?)
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To: Fantasywriter

Stalking me still, eh?


43 posted on 11/30/2011 8:21:55 AM PST by DTxAg
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To: montag813

I just can not stand with him, if he is an adulterer. Can’t.

His own statement seems to confirm that he is:

“Mr. Cain has been informed today that your television station plans to broadcast a story this evening in which a female will make an accusation that she engaged in a 13-year long physical relationship with Mr. Cain. This is not an accusation of harassment in the workplace – this is not an accusation of an assault - which are subject matters of legitimate inquiry to a political candidate.

“Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults - a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life. The public’s right to know and the media’s right to report has boundaries and most certainly those boundaries end outside of one’s bedroom door.

“Mr. Cain has alerted his wife to this new accusation and discussed it with her. He has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media and he will not do so even if his principled position is viewed unfavorably by members of the media.”

I certainly do NOT agree with the statement that “private sexual life” is not the public’s right to know”. Many a politician and President have fallen because of that kind of behavior. This statement sounds like it came from BJ clinton! We have already been down this road with clinton, and I do not want to go there again!


44 posted on 11/30/2011 8:23:29 AM PST by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: DTxAg

Oh wait, not ***everyone*** was gloating over the Cain smear on the other thread.

Only you.

I wonder if maybe you might not feel more at home on DU? When your reaction to hearing Cain described as a conservative is the mocking, puerile “BWAHAHAHA!”, then DU could well your more natural habitat. They react the exact same way to hearing a man defended as a ‘good conservative’—and it’s equally disgusting and childish there as it is here.


45 posted on 11/30/2011 8:24:25 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: tuckrdout
We are not electing the Pope.

We are electing a politician.

Politicians are, by definition, people with profound character flaws.

Holding our flawed politicians to a higher standard than we hold the enemy's flawed politicians guarantees they win.

You're evidently good with that.

46 posted on 11/30/2011 8:24:56 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Are we going to let Obama get rid of Herman Cain the same way he got rid of Jack Ryan?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You evaded it like a sniveling weasel.

Boy a 40% drop in the polls really makes some supporters bitter, eh?
47 posted on 11/30/2011 8:25:02 AM PST by DTxAg
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To: Cheerio

How true. How true.


48 posted on 11/30/2011 8:25:22 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (RINO Establishment's next move: State GOP parties boot conservative candidates from future debates)
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To: Cheerio

Yep, a prime example was Mark Steyn yesterday when he subbed for Rush. He spent a solid 30 minutes childishly berating Herman Cain. His stock went down 5 notches in my eyes yesterday.


49 posted on 11/30/2011 8:25:31 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Wanna keep livin' with your momma? Vote for Obama. Tired of the pain? Vote CAIN!)
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To: DTxAg

We are not electing the Pope.

We are electing a politician.

Politicians are, by definition, people with profound character flaws.

Holding our flawed politicians to a higher standard than we hold the enemy’s flawed politicians guarantees they win.

You’re evidently good with that.


50 posted on 11/30/2011 8:25:51 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Are we going to let Obama get rid of Herman Cain the same way he got rid of Jack Ryan?)
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