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Need Pistol Recommendations For Grizzly Country (Vanity)
Stonewall Jackson | 12/02/11 | Stonewall Jackson

Posted on 12/01/2011 9:29:16 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson

I have a friend and colleague who is moving to Fairbanks next week and he is looking for a pistol to carry in grizzly country. He is an avid outdoorsman and will be hunting up there on a regular basis, but the only pistol he currently owns is a Browning 9mm.

He'd thought about getting a 1911A1, but I've pretty much convinced him that a .45ACP is okay against black bears, but is too slow hitting for effective use against grizzlies.


TOPICS: Outdoors; Travel
KEYWORDS: alaska; banglist; grizzly; pistol
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Some suggestions I was thinking about are the .44 Magnum, .45 Long Colt, .454 Casull, or one of the .50 pistols. Are these decent suggestions, or should I make some changes? And if so, why?

Thanks.

1 posted on 12/01/2011 9:29:26 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson
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To: Stonewall Jackson

454 casull


2 posted on 12/01/2011 9:31:07 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

.44 mag should do.


3 posted on 12/01/2011 9:31:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

A 30.06 is the best pistol against grizzly bears. For the sarcasm challenged, that is to say that no pistol is good enough protection from grizzly bears.


4 posted on 12/01/2011 9:33:08 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

.44 Magnum would do.


5 posted on 12/01/2011 9:33:17 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SJackson; Travis McGee; Squantos; SLB
Any thoughts or suggestions on a pistol to suggest to my friend? He is fairly well off financially, so money isn't too much of a hindrance (although he might balk at a $2,500 or $3,000 price tag).
6 posted on 12/01/2011 9:33:52 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Here’s a joke told to me by Alaskans on the subject of handguns and grizzlies:

“If you’re going to carry a pistol in bear country, make sure to file down the front sight.”

The typical question from a person of the lower 48 is then: “Why? So you can draw it faster, or it doesn’t snag on your clothes in winter?”

Alaskan: “No, so it doesn’t hurt so bad when the bear shoves it up your ass.”

Any pistol is scant protection against a really PO’ed griz or brown bear. Alaskans prefer to pack 12ga slug guns with Brenneke slugs. Most people can’t control those hand cannons well enough to gain proficiency with them.

Here in Wyoming, I pack a .45 LC when in the woods, but then we have few griz. More of my hazard is moose.


7 posted on 12/01/2011 9:34:00 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Stonewall Jackson

The last guy I heard about got into a contest with a griz down in the Kenai Pennisula over a salmon. The guy shot the griz in the chest 6 times with a 44 mag. Luckly some hikers came by and called for a medivac. The guy woke up in hospital in Anchorage eight (8) months later. Rangers found the griz dead ... 15 miles away.


8 posted on 12/01/2011 9:34:33 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: Stonewall Jackson

A couple of days ago, it was -47*F in Fairbanks. I think he needs the best long underwear money can buy.


9 posted on 12/01/2011 9:34:50 PM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

I think the 45 colt is a bit under the weather, and I think the 50 has to much recoil and muzzle rise to get back on target.

Thats my opinion.


10 posted on 12/01/2011 9:36:03 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Bobibutu

The grizzly died from eating the contaminated salmon.


11 posted on 12/01/2011 9:38:10 PM PST by VicVega (Geaux LSU, Geaux Saints)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Given the location and the wildlife, I'd probably suggest a Magnum Research BFR. I have one in .50 AE and it's a very powerful and accurate handgun. It also fits the hand well. However, it's a 5 shot single action revolver. You can also get it in .454, .45-70 and other calibers.

Here's mine:

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12 posted on 12/01/2011 9:38:27 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Bobibutu

13 posted on 12/01/2011 9:38:37 PM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
.44 mag I would take, the long colt's I'm not to sure about

The 44 would be my choice, FWIW

14 posted on 12/01/2011 9:39:15 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

I have the FN 5.7 which holds 20 rounds and comes with 3 clips. Unload the clip on the bear but don’t stick around to see what damage you did.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 9:40:20 PM PST by VicVega (Geaux LSU, Geaux Saints)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
I used to carry a Desert Eagle .50AE in griz country.

I'd opt for a Super Blackhawk in .45 LC these days.

16 posted on 12/01/2011 9:40:52 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

17 posted on 12/01/2011 9:40:52 PM PST by umgud
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To: Stonewall Jackson

.500 Linebaugh.


18 posted on 12/01/2011 9:41:12 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

If it has to be a hand-held weapon I’d opt for a grenade.


19 posted on 12/01/2011 9:41:27 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Stonewall Jackson

If he is a 1911 fan then I would recommend trying to find a LAR Grizzly Winmag in .45 Winchester Magnum. I have short fingers with a large/broad palm and I was able to shoot one comfortably. The recoil is manageable, especially compared to the calibers you already mentioned. If he has very short fingers it might not be a good match as the grip is longer than a .45 ACP 1911.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAR_Grizzly_Win_Mag


20 posted on 12/01/2011 9:41:51 PM PST by BradWesleyoftheInternet
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To: Melas

True. To hit a grizzly with a pistol is pretty scary to begin with. The bear is too close, the shooter is crapping his pants, his body is shaking, etc.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 9:41:59 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Melas
A 30.06 is the best pistol against grizzly bears. For the sarcasm challenged, that is to say that no pistol is good enough protection from grizzly bears.

I have to agree that a rifle is the best bet. A .30-06 is the minimum I would consider. If I am in Grizzly country, I'll take my .300 Weatherby mag. As they say, "bring enough gun".
22 posted on 12/01/2011 9:42:28 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: NVDave

“Here’s a joke told to me by Alaskans on the subject of handguns and grizzlies:”

It is actually part of a true story published in Alaska Magazine back in the 80s.


23 posted on 12/01/2011 9:42:28 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: Melas

A 12 ga slug is better, but that’s not a pistol.


24 posted on 12/01/2011 9:42:33 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
1911A1 is a fine sidearm. I also recommend going out with an experienced guide, and actually finding out what bear signs are like (especially that horrid smell..), and advice on how to avoid encounters.

As for a sidearm to defend against grizzly bears - shotgun slugs. Best defense is to not engage them in any form or fashion. Second best defense is traveling with a partner who doesn't quite run as fast as you.

25 posted on 12/01/2011 9:42:59 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Never messed with bears.

Been around some pissed off 2000 lb bulls, though.

You ain’t stopping one with a handgun in time to guarantee your life.

Shot 180 lb deer centermass with a .44 mag and they can run quite a ways.

I’d say the riot shotgun slug advocates are right on.


26 posted on 12/01/2011 9:43:21 PM PST by One Name
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Get the biggest and heaviest handgun you can find. You’ll need it to throw at the bear or perhaps beat him over the head with it.

All sarcasm aside, a larger caliber with a bullet that will penetrate. Like a solid or a hard cast round nose or Keith style semi-wadcutter. Stay away from soft Hollow points and the like.

Perhaps one of those industrial sized pepper spray units also.


27 posted on 12/01/2011 9:43:30 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

all good choices, just remove the front site


28 posted on 12/01/2011 9:43:53 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Bobibutu

Yark!


29 posted on 12/01/2011 9:44:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Don’t bother with a pistol of any sort. Bring a rifle, .30-06 as a minimum.


30 posted on 12/01/2011 9:45:36 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

I wouldn’t be carrying a pistol hoping to take down a Grizzly, at least as a front line weapon. If considering a ‘backup’ weapon in a pistol that could take one down, the caliber had best start with at least the number ‘4’.


31 posted on 12/01/2011 9:46:38 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

S&W .44 Mag Model 29 or 629 with the 7 1/2”, or 8 3/8” barrel.

It’s what I take into the hills and mountains here in Idaho.


32 posted on 12/01/2011 9:47:18 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Dead Dog

all good choices, just remove the front site


Yep. LOL


33 posted on 12/01/2011 9:48:20 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

I tell you sir, what your friend really needs is one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY6KGMWcPOM&feature=related

A Karelian Bear Dog/Laika. A gun can’t watch your back and with one of these, nobody has to get shot. Plus, if my little old Tyvek is representative, they have dainty appetites and make entertaining company.


34 posted on 12/01/2011 9:49:38 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Stonewall Jackson
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...This enough?

35 posted on 12/01/2011 9:49:58 PM PST by gargoyle (...Amendments 1 and 2, a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

I've always felt safe with my Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 mag, loaded with Federal Premium CastCore. I like the simplicity of the single action, and I feel safer keeping it under my pillow than I would if I had a more complex weapon.

36 posted on 12/01/2011 9:51:56 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: unkus

Oly and Sven where out in the woods and Sven says:

What should we do if a bear comes upon us?

Oly says: you run like hell, reach back, grab it and throw it at ‘im!

Sven says: Grab what?

Oly says: It will be there. It will be there!


37 posted on 12/01/2011 9:52:56 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Benelli M3 Convertible

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m3.php

38 posted on 12/01/2011 9:52:56 PM PST by fso301
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To: Stonewall Jackson
For Grizzlys, nothing less than a .44 mag with a 6 inch barrel.

Otherwise the S&W Bear Gun in .500mag.

Personally, I'd carry a tactical shotgun with slugs.

39 posted on 12/01/2011 9:53:02 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Stonewall Jackson


40 posted on 12/01/2011 9:53:15 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

When I lived in Fairbanks, I settled for a stainless steel .44 mag. because I always carried it with me while salmon fishing. That was back in the 80s. I bought a book up there called Alaskan Bear Tales (I think. I lent it to a guy and never got it back). The author talks about encounters with grizzlies and talks about one being taken out with one round from a .22 while another attacked a hunting camp and five hunters literally shot the bear’s heart out with their rifles. The bear still tore their camp up. It all depends on the bear. I don’t know whether he was serious or not but at the end of the book, he recommended “the best gun” as being a 40mm flare gun. Hit the bear in the chest with a flare and he’ll be busy for a while. LOL!


41 posted on 12/01/2011 9:53:23 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Melas; NVDave

A longer barreled S&W .44 mag will work...but that is a side arm to take with you when bow hunting or hiking just in case.

If you are up rifle hunting a 30.06. 7mm MAg or even .308 are all good weapons.

I also carry a saddle gun, .44 mag...the Ruger. LEver action, ten round tubular mag.


42 posted on 12/01/2011 9:53:57 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Stonewall Jackson

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43 posted on 12/01/2011 9:54:47 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

That’s a constant debate up here. Most carry at least a .44 mag. Of course shot placement and luck has a lot to do with it. Shotguns and rifles are superior but you can’t always have one on you.

I’ve only had to pull mine once, and luckily it was a bluff charge, the Bear stopped just short of me. I was in the process of cocking my single action Ruger when he stopped, if he’d a kept coming I might of been able to get 1 shot before he would have been on me. Now, I carry a double action revolver. Bears move fast, real fast.


44 posted on 12/01/2011 9:55:14 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Photobucket Some bears are smarter than others.....
45 posted on 12/01/2011 9:55:26 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: MarineBrat

That .44 mag Ruger Super Blackhawk is the pistol I carried with me up there. I never had to try it out on a grizzly though. I always just left the area when they showed up.


46 posted on 12/01/2011 9:57:31 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: mylife

LOL

Oly and Sven spot a bear headed toward them..

Oly says “I hope we can out run dat bear”.

Sven says “I ain’t worried, I’ve always been able to out run you”.


47 posted on 12/01/2011 9:57:42 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: JoeProBono

Whoa! a saturday night Nagant?


48 posted on 12/01/2011 9:58:41 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: kingu

I carry a 1911A1 when I go out in the woods here in KY, but I only have to deal with black bears and rabid skunks.


49 posted on 12/01/2011 9:58:49 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: gargoyle

Charlton Heston’s gun room?


50 posted on 12/01/2011 9:58:57 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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