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Weekly Gardening Thread 2011 (Vol. 47) December 2
Free Republic | 12-2-2011 | Red_Devil 232

Posted on 12/02/2011 5:11:38 AM PST by Red_Devil 232

Good morning gardeners. I can’t believe it is already December, Brrrrrrrrr! It is 27 this morning in East Central Mississippi and is forecast to be in the mid 60s this afternoon. There are no plans to do any outside work for this gardener today. What needs to be done can wait until Saturday and Sunday when it is supposed to be in the high 60s and into the 70s. Just waiting for Spring now.

If you are a gardener or you are just starting out and are in need of advice or just encouragement please feel free to join in and enjoy the friendly discussion. Our Freeper community is full of gardeners, each with varying interests and skill levels from Master Gardener to novice.


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1 posted on 12/02/2011 5:11:43 AM PST by Red_Devil 232
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To: Red_Devil 232

Good morning gardeners. Nothing much left to do inthe garden. There is still work to do, but it’s too cold to work. The remainder of garden preparation moves indoors and the outdoors will have to wait for spring. Maybe some fallen tree work will get done, but not much else.


2 posted on 12/02/2011 5:14:45 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; billhilly; Alkhin; ...
Ping to the Weekly Gardening Ping List.

I hope all of you will stop by.

This is typically a low volume ping list. Once a week for the thread and every once in a while for other FR threads posted that might be of interest.

If you would like to be added to or removed from the list please let me know by FreepMail or by posting to me.

3 posted on 12/02/2011 5:18:28 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Good morning on this chilly morn, not much to do in the garden until spring. Hopefully next year’s harvest will be more bountiful, rather slim across the board this year. Late start due to a trip and then the weather was not to good either rain at the wrong time or none.


4 posted on 12/02/2011 5:19:59 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Red_Devil 232

Frost on the ground this morning! It was beautiful. Greetings to all my gardening FReepers!


5 posted on 12/02/2011 5:23:37 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Red_Devil 232

We are finally getting a nice soaking rain here. It should be raining most of the weekend. That may save a number of trees here. I heard that there are places that have little moisture as far as 20’ down.

One community - Horseshoe Bay - is going to cut down every cedar tree that is less than 6” diameter since they drink so much water. I wish they would cut every cedar tree from IH 10 to the Tex / Mex border.


6 posted on 12/02/2011 5:34:11 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Good Morning!

My Veggies are loving this cool weather...and I will have more lettuce than I know what to do with in a few months.

That’s OK...I’ve been eating a lot of salad lately and have lot over 20 POUNDS! Hallelujah!


7 posted on 12/02/2011 5:34:40 AM PST by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Wow! In before the Ping


8 posted on 12/02/2011 5:44:37 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Everything is frosty here in upstate S.C. but the collards, kale, beets, and lettuce don’t seem to mind.


9 posted on 12/02/2011 6:04:14 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (A lie told over and over again is still just a lie and the one telling it a liar.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
I am not doing much with the garden this week.

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10 posted on 12/02/2011 6:14:26 AM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: John 3_19-21
I planted my collards and brussle sprouts too late and they sprouted quickly, but have stayed at 1-2in tall. Plus, I can't find any good collards at the store. Not a good situation for a transplanted southerner raised on greens.
11 posted on 12/02/2011 6:28:44 AM PST by rightly_dividing (1Cor. 15:1-4)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Mrs. Augie has rediscovered our Jack LaLanne Power Juicer and has been hard at the row of red russian kale that I left in the garden for the chickens.


12 posted on 12/02/2011 6:41:58 AM PST by Augie
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To: Arrowhead1952

We have an overcast sky this a.m., hopefully it will bring the rain promised by the forecasters. We sure do need it.


13 posted on 12/02/2011 6:47:05 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Arrowhead1952

Just put in three honey locust. No moisture three feet deep. Not only are the prairie grasses dead, the ground is starting to look bare.
If we don’t get rain...haven’t had a good rain since a year ago October, there will be nothing for the cattle to eat in the spring. Ranchers on dry land are selling their underweight cattle.
I’m praying that our little, local church will be done with silly time church and get down to some serious praying.
We need the rain. We need a new Awakening in our land more.


14 posted on 12/02/2011 6:48:52 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: magslinger

A Christmas scene, for sure.


15 posted on 12/02/2011 6:50:20 AM PST by tillacum
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To: rightly_dividing
My collards stayed in the 1-2 inch phase far quite awhile. Then I fed them some miracle grow (my compost wont be ready until spring) and they took off. Now they seem to just about double in size every other day.
16 posted on 12/02/2011 7:02:07 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (A lie told over and over again is still just a lie and the one telling it a liar.)
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To: magslinger

That is a really nice picture, magslinger. (I love how quiet it gets after a snow like that... just silence)


17 posted on 12/02/2011 7:04:19 AM PST by momtothree
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To: tillacum; WestwardHo

We’ve had several nice showers here in the Austin area this morning. Nothing heavy, but there has been some runoff.


18 posted on 12/02/2011 7:13:14 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Some of you may have seen this article on the board, thought I'd post it here. Imagine of this was in your garden:

Meet the world's heaviest insect, which weighs three times more than a mouse... and eats carrots

I know I said no more pics but I wanted to show everyone a lettuce I picked just a couple of days ago called Four Seasons or Mervielle d'Quatre Saisons. It's gotten down to 25 degrees here and it came through great. Definitely a keeper.

Got what I think is the last picking of greens off the plot. If they're still good I'll strip the rest today. Hard to imagine eating fresh salad around here December 1st. Worth the effort, and I even had 'help'.:

Got to put the garlic and onions in this weekend and get the tunnel set up and clean the flats for starts next year then this boy is DONE.

19 posted on 12/02/2011 7:13:45 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Free Vulcan

What gorgeous lettuce! Good job!


20 posted on 12/02/2011 7:30:16 AM PST by Califreak ("Burnt By The Sun")
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To: momtothree; tillacum

It does look nice enough, but that is my back yard. I only have to lift my head enough to look over the monitor to see it. The garden is going in the area between the maples with the fallen branch and the brush row beyond it. The stuff of which white Christmases are made is 8 inches deep in the picture. We got another inch last night.


21 posted on 12/02/2011 7:39:08 AM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: Free Vulcan

I’m gonna plant some of that lettuce next spring.


22 posted on 12/02/2011 8:08:29 AM PST by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: Red_Devil 232
Thank you very much. I didn't know there was an award for getting in early!


23 posted on 12/02/2011 8:27:55 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I think you have been the only one to beat me in posting the ping list - I had to go get another cup of coffee and forgot where I was in the posting process. LOL


24 posted on 12/02/2011 8:58:03 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I understand the need for another cup if coffee. I was eating my cereal when I saw your post.


25 posted on 12/02/2011 9:04:24 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Red_Devil 232

Just got my Johnnys Seeds catalog. Can’t wait to sit down with a cup of coffee and start dreaming of next year’s garden! I hope to try wintersowing, so maybe I’ll order a pack or two of seeds for that.


26 posted on 12/02/2011 9:13:12 AM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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Good morning everybody! We've yet to have a killin' hard freeze here in our part of NELA, but it has been around 10o cooler a few miles to the east near the mighty Mississippi. The peppers are the only thing left producing in the garden, thank goodness, I'm totally worn out and still have a couple of batches of green tomatoes to can.

We've got around 1,000 acres of wheat planted on the farm, and it looks really good at this point. Just enough rain has fallen to get it off to a good start. The fields are wet enough that we will not get any more planted though.

Installation of our solar system begins next week. By the end of December our home and all of the outbuildings, except the donkey barn, will be 100% solar. This is a very exciting step for us on the road to complete self-sufficiency. We had originally planned 2 windmills, but in the long run solar won out. We will install 1 small windmill to operate a well supplying water and power to the livestock areas.

Time to concentrate on some serious hunting and fishing before Christmas. My husband killed a little buck last night, but we had to take it to the processor because the weather was not cool enough to hang it here. I plan on canning a bunch of deer meat this year. I've been canning chicken for a few years now and it is so convenient to have meat that is already cooked and ready to put into a meal. That will make room for more fish in the freezer :)

All of my beehives have been winterized, although the bees still work on warm days like we are having now. I've really enjoyed my first year of beekeeping and would highly recommend it to anyone. They are fun, fascinating, and do the garden a world of good. The honey is a great reward as well.

My best regards to all of my gardening FRiends!

27 posted on 12/02/2011 9:15:50 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: left that other site

Good for you! I joined Weight Watchers in late Sept and have lost about 12. I don’t have the salad garden you have though! Up here in cold Pa there’s nothing growing in my garden!


28 posted on 12/02/2011 9:17:45 AM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: magslinger

That is lovely!


29 posted on 12/02/2011 9:58:46 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Very pretty lettuce! My raised bed of various lettuces and baby greens this past year was an attractive addition to the garden.


30 posted on 12/02/2011 10:03:32 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: sneakers

I had been told by my doctor that i am diabetic. So I cut all the carbs and anything WHITE from my diet, and the pounds just fell off!


31 posted on 12/02/2011 10:34:16 AM PST by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; painter; Califreak

Forgot to mention that these suckers got almost a foot in diameter. Could smack myself with a tire iron, these are volunteer because I let them go to seed, and when I picked the seed heads I was in a hurry and put them in a plastic bag in the hot barn.

Forgot about them for a couple of weeks because I was so behind on weeding and the heads promptly molded and went to waste. And of course I’m all out of that batch of seed. Hope I can find as good as strain as that again.


32 posted on 12/02/2011 10:39:54 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Lovely weather here in Benderville altho we did have a frost yesterday morning but I don’t see any damage yet. Still eating a few Raspberries every other day, Garlic is looking good and a few perennial flowers blooming. Lots of cleanup to do but we found time to go over to the Church and bring home a pickup load of Redwood needles for future compost material. They have a vacuum/shredder to clean the parking lot that reduces the volume. I got a new bigger iMac last night and will get it booted up today...


33 posted on 12/02/2011 10:55:42 AM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

and you are now on my official ignore list!


34 posted on 12/02/2011 10:57:29 AM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: Red_Devil 232; All
Good afternoon. We are having a really nice looking sunny day here in Missouri, and a break from Brrrrrrrrr weather. We are at 40’s and 50’s for a couple of days, then freezing and snow.

I have to give the winter garden another row cover and straw sometime today or tomorrow. The indoor garden is sparse this year with out all the tomato pots I had planned.
The spinach is doing well, as are the herbs.

We are still eating tomatoes from the garden that we wrapped in paper while green. I am hoping the one pot of tomatoes takes off soon.

We have only received 2 seed catalogs so far. Have a great weekend everyone. God Bless.

35 posted on 12/02/2011 11:06:45 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

About 1 1/2 feet of snow on the ground here in Colorado.


36 posted on 12/02/2011 12:24:37 PM PST by MtnClimber ( People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them - Eric Hoffer)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I am so impressed with all you have accomplished. Congratulations! I have books (now over 25 years old) about doing all that (solar, windmills) but met resistance from my husband who thought it wasn’t practical for us. He was probably right. There used to be a man who lived near me with 2 modern windmills on his farm. He offered to meet with us on all the ins and outs of establishing wind power as one of our sources of power. But, we never met, and he died. The heirs sold the farm.

A friend of mine purchased the buildings and land, but a pesky neighbor of hers kept cutting the wire between the windmills and the house! So, now the windmills have been removed. Can you imagine?


37 posted on 12/02/2011 1:20:49 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: tubebender
and you are now on my official ignore list!

What did I do to tick you off? Whatever it was, I'm sorry.

38 posted on 12/02/2011 1:23:05 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Red_Devil 232

HI Red Devil and the gardening list.

On my wish list this year... I would appreciate anyone that can tell me how to protect myself from wasp stings and how to naturally get rid of these wasps.

We have acreage and I was stung this summer twice by swarms — the first swarm was from the typical mud/dirt dweller type wasps and the the last set was the German Yellow Jackets.

I’ve done a lot of reading online and I’m going to order (if possible) Dragon Flies and Preying Mantis’. I was going to buy about a dozen Purple Martin bird houses, but I read recently that wasps like to take over bird houses.

Ideas and Suggestions most appreciated.


39 posted on 12/02/2011 2:09:27 PM PST by Cindy
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I was just teasing you over you patting yourself on the back for the first reply to this thread. It happens to me on the Nascar and FReepathon threads and it’s all in fun...


40 posted on 12/02/2011 2:37:21 PM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; momtothree; tillacum
Yeah, and deer, too! You can't see them too well, my only digital camera is my phone. The quality isn't much on the best of days, it has no telephoto and the sun just set. There are three in the circle and at least two more in the trees.Photobucket
41 posted on 12/02/2011 2:41:08 PM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I had never really looked into a solar system, but after I did and got a quote, it was better than wind power was going to be for us, and the windmill was quite large. My biggest requirement for the solar system was that I did not want a large array of panels on the house, nor did I want them taking up a large amount of the yard.

They were able to devise a system that will be on the roof of our large equipment shed, and they will be on the back side ... not even visible from the house or the street. They will be visible from the interstate though.

I can't imagine why someone would sabotage a neighbor's system. That is ridiculous and I would have pursued legal avenues before I took down the windmills. That is a shame.

42 posted on 12/02/2011 2:49:42 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: tubebender

Whew! I thought you were mad at me for some reason. Keep in mind that I don’t have much to celebrate at this time of year, so I just take whatever little bit of notoriety I can muster! ;^)


43 posted on 12/02/2011 2:50:20 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: sneakers

I’ve not looked through my Johnny’s Seeds Catalog, but from Park Seed I’ve ordered 4 ten-seed packets of Baby Cucino Cucumbers.

They’re expensive. But, the little cukes are so productive, and so tasty, I think they pay for themselves. Except for Suyo Long, arm-long oriental cukes, these are all the cucumbers I intend to plant for the Spring.

Do need to look through Johnny’s catalog to see if they offer something for our hot, drought-stricken central Texas gardens.


44 posted on 12/02/2011 2:54:52 PM PST by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

There may have been more to the situation (disabled windmill) than a disgruntled neighbor. I think both of these people are a little bit nuts. But, my point is the farm being subject to the easy interruption of service.

Your idea of having the solar panels on the shed roofs is a great idea. My question has always been, what does a solar panel do to your roof? Wear and tear? I’ve never had that question answered. I’d think that there would (or could) be some damage with snow and high winds (like we are subject to). My husband isn’t interested, and nobody wants to answer my question seriously.

Around here, I’m starting to see commercial applications on the ground — a raised panel set at an angle. Takes up a lot of space and doesn’t look too pretty.

I would love to add a new garage to our property. I’d love to consider a panel on the roof of the garage to heat the interior for a workshop. It’s probably a dream that will never come true. But, you always have to have a dream, or you just stop living. Right?


45 posted on 12/02/2011 3:00:40 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Re windmills.

My husband (the engineer) has never been very much in favor of them, despite having made them at one of the companies where he worked about 30 years ago. They need a lot of maintenance. The large ones need to have all the tools hauled up a circular flight of stairs inside the column. The home sized ones could be serviced with a cherry picker, if the mill isn’t too tall. When you drive by the commercial Wind Farms and look closely (like in Southern CA) half the windmills are still because they are not working for one reason, or another.


46 posted on 12/02/2011 3:06:30 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: left that other site

Oh no! I love noodles, rice, potatoes, etc. Ugh! Come to think of it, looking back on my notes, the weeks where I didn’t have many starches were my most successful weeks. Time to limit them even more I guess. Gotta lose a LOT before my son’s wedding next May!


47 posted on 12/02/2011 3:22:02 PM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Arrowhead1852 posted at something like 7:34 a.m.:

We are finally getting a nice soaking rain here. It should be raining most of the weekend.

Rain forecast for San Antonio has shifted and moved since I started watching at 2 o'clock this morning. All the good stuff is to the west of us, from Corpus Christi almost to Dallas.

Only now are we getting teasing, drizzle, misting, fringe stuff.

48 posted on 12/02/2011 3:29:22 PM PST by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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To: Racehorse

Correction.

Wael, for most of the day, the rain was to the east from Corpus to Dallas.

Now it is to the west of San Antonio. Nothing but tease.

Nothing worthwhile forecast for the city.


49 posted on 12/02/2011 3:35:19 PM PST by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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To: sneakers

Switch to whole grain noodles and pasta, brown rice, and sweet potatoes, and limit your portions. If you can swear off entirely, all the better, but we’re ONLY human! LOL!


50 posted on 12/02/2011 5:04:42 PM PST by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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