Skip to comments.Scientists find monster black holes, biggest yet (10 billion times the size of our sun)
Posted on 12/05/2011 9:27:17 AM PST by NormsRevenge
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) Scientists have found the biggest black holes known to exist each one 10 billion times the size of our sun.
A team led by an astronomer at the University of California at Berkeley discovered the two gigantic black holes in clusters of galaxies 300 million light years away. That's relatively close on the galactic scale.
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Astronomers discover biggest black holes ever
The University of California, Berkeley, team led by Nicholas McConnell and Chung-Pei Ma said one black hole is located in NGC 3842, the brightest of a cluster of galaxies about 320 million light years from Earth.
The second hole is of “comparable or greater mass” and is located in NGC 4889, the brightest galaxy in the Coma cluster, about 335 million light years away.
“These two black holes are significantly more massive than predicted,” the astronomers wrote.
An artist's impression of a black hole surrounded by matter waiting to fall in. Scientists have discovered the two biggest black holes ever observed, each with a mass billions of times greater than the Sun's, according to a study. The two giants are located in the heart of a pair of galaxies several hundred million light years from Earth, said the study in scientific journal Nature. (AFP Photo/M. Weiss)
Sorry, Sorry, Sorry. ...I blame Comcast.
Team sees biggest black holes yet
I blame P-rot.....
The article says that they found TWO massive new black holes. So why THREE Perot sucking sounds????
Mind boggling and brain itching;)
Does the article mean the volume or the mass is 10 billions times that of the sun?
I’m trying to get a feel for something 10B times the size of the sun.
By “size” do they refer to volume or mass?
How far outward would such a beast extend in our solar system?
Perot as triplets is scary!
The ghosts of past, present and future Perot.
It’s big alright.
But our national debt is still bigger.
It’s big alright.
But our national debt is still bigger.
Ahem. Nobody has ever “seen” a black hole. A number of notable cosmologists doubt their existence. Their “presence” is always inferred from the observed motions of matter adjacent to their supposed positions. A number of other ideas have been put forward to account for these motions.
Just another example of how Big Science now legislates hypotheses and theories into “Laws” when nobody’s looking.
Mass. IIRC the radius (event horizon) of a black hole is a linear function of its mass. The radius of a black hole this massive would be about 30 billion kilometers. The solar system would fit quite comfortably inside this volume.
I'm wondering if anybody outside of the Dallas/Ft. Worth area will get that.
Just one question ...
Are me moving away from this, or towards it?
Wow! My whole life has changed. (yawn)
If I understand it correctly, dark matter was put out there because there is according to observations/calculations, a far amount of mass not there that should be.
By mass...a black hole is a singularity which means the blackhole itself doesn’t really take up much space at all..however! It’s gravity well would be huge.
It looks like numerous other worlds have tried Liberalism with predictable consequences - they are now Black Holes.
Diversity in space!
You are correct in saying that black holes are measured by their mass not their volume. Black holes can have a measurable circumference but the radius, (and therefore the diameter) is infinite.
You are half right. It is true, nobody has seen a black hole. The behavior of objects around it tell us it's mass and therefore gravity. All else is down to math. If you are doubting the math then I urge you to stop balancing your checkbook. Yes, the laws of math that say 2+2=4 are the same as the laws of math that describe high energy physics and they are provable.
Thanks gargoyle. This is an ‘extra, extra’ ping to the APoD list.
If the radius and diameter are infinite then so is the circumference.
The "radius" of a black hole is generally reckoned as the event horizon. That is finite. If it were infinite the entire observable universe would fit into each and every black hole. The gravitational field extends infinitely in all directions.
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DON’T go anywhere NEAR that!
Black holes do NOT exist within a vacuum. They exist for a purpose, Probably NOT solely for the purpose of gorging on galactic mass, but I suspect they have a far more intrinsic purpose based on the beginning (or re-beginning) of the known (or unknown) universe or universes. Something is missing in this equation and I suspect physicists will at some point begin to elucidate it. None of us will be here though.
I’m ashamed of myself for the first thought that popped into my head! Nope, not gonna say it, not gonna go there!
You can’t deny the math till the math changes.
Because space and time are strongly distorted near a black hole, such relationships do not necessarily hold there. For example, a black hole doesn't have a diameter of which you can measure the length with something like a ruler, because if you pass through the horizon to start using your ruler, then you can never get out again.
When scientists talk about the diameter of a black hole, then they mean the diameter that an ordinary object has (that is not a black hole) with the same circumference or surface area as the horizon of the black hole.
I forgot about the hallmark card. Above is the Dallas City Council member John Wiley Price getting offended. He is the definition of Stupid.
Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections has become a black hole because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.
Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud Excuse me! He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a white hole.
We are swirling around it in a decreasing radius. In laymen’s terms, we are being flushed!!
I think they mean mass which means these are about 10X larger then the one in the middle of our galaxy
Those are big suckers!
Laughing at “Comment removed by moderator”. LOL!
Perhaps you'd then like to explain the monstrous need for the inclusion of infinite values in the Einsteinian Relativistic calculations of the powers of the singularities enclosing those black holes you so favor? Or can your checkbook buy your way out of the black hole information paradox?
Or perhaps you'd like to be more scientific, and share the uncertainties of distinguished cosmologists like Halton Arp, Fred Hoyle, and Tom VanFlandern about the very idea of such fanciful entities.
As for your assumption that the behavior of objects around these hypothetical creatures is caused solely by gravity, why not alternatively consider the possibility that things are more strongly propelled by plasmas and magnetohydrodynamic forces? The work of Nobel Prize winner Hannes Alfven clearly suggested that might be the case.
Today's scientists are by and large pygmies. They like to pose as though they stand on the shoulders of giants. In point of fact, their idols’ feet of clay are now breaking down under the weight of too many inexplicable observations and the accumulation of one untenable theory on top of another.