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Scientists find monster black holes, biggest yet (10 billion times the size of our sun)
Yahoo ^ | 12/5/11 | AP

Posted on 12/05/2011 9:27:17 AM PST by NormsRevenge

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — Scientists have found the biggest black holes known to exist — each one 10 billion times the size of our sun.

A team led by an astronomer at the University of California at Berkeley discovered the two gigantic black holes in clusters of galaxies 300 million light years away. That's relatively close on the galactic scale.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; biggest; blackholes; catastrophism; monster; ngc3842; science; scientists; xplanets
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hUgh discovery..
1 posted on 12/05/2011 9:27:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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AFP
Astronomers discover biggest black holes ever
http://news.yahoo.com/astronomers-discover-biggest-black-holes-ever-153131310.html

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The University of California, Berkeley, team led by Nicholas McConnell and Chung-Pei Ma said one black hole is located in NGC 3842, the brightest of a cluster of galaxies about 320 million light years from Earth.

The second hole is of “comparable or greater mass” and is located in NGC 4889, the brightest galaxy in the Coma cluster, about 335 million light years away.

“These two black holes are significantly more massive than predicted,” the astronomers wrote.

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2 posted on 12/05/2011 9:28:58 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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An artist's impression of a black hole surrounded by matter waiting to fall in. Scientists have discovered the two biggest black holes ever observed, each with a mass billions of times greater than the Sun's, according to a study. The two giants are located in the heart of a pair of galaxies several hundred million light years from Earth, said the study in scientific journal Nature. (AFP Photo/M. Weiss)


3 posted on 12/05/2011 9:30:01 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
That Sucking Sound Ya Hear....


4 posted on 12/05/2011 9:34:02 AM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: TexasCajun

Sorry, Sorry, Sorry. ...I blame Comcast.


7 posted on 12/05/2011 9:35:45 AM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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BBC News
Team sees biggest black holes yet
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16034045


8 posted on 12/05/2011 9:36:13 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: TexasCajun

I blame P-rot.....


9 posted on 12/05/2011 9:37:13 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: TexasCajun

The article says that they found TWO massive new black holes. So why THREE Perot ‘sucking sounds’????


10 posted on 12/05/2011 9:37:48 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: SunkenCiv

...Ping.


11 posted on 12/05/2011 9:38:44 AM PST by gargoyle (...Amendments 1 and 2, a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Holey moley!!!

Mind boggling and brain itching;)


12 posted on 12/05/2011 9:40:33 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newter the Democrats and newtralize the RINOS - the Senate, House & WHouse)
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To: NormsRevenge

Does the article mean the volume or the mass is 10 billions times that of the sun?


13 posted on 12/05/2011 9:42:01 AM PST by fso301
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m trying to get a feel for something 10B times the size of the sun.

By “size” do they refer to volume or mass?

How far outward would such a beast extend in our solar system?


14 posted on 12/05/2011 9:42:19 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: TexasCajun

Perot as triplets is scary!


15 posted on 12/05/2011 9:43:44 AM PST by JPG (Hold on tight; rough road ahead.)
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To: NormsRevenge

That’s racist.


16 posted on 12/05/2011 9:44:22 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Pimp your blog for hits on Free Republic!)
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To: JPG

The ghosts of past, present and future Perot.


17 posted on 12/05/2011 9:44:22 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

It’s big alright.

But our national debt is still bigger.


18 posted on 12/05/2011 9:44:50 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

It’s big alright.

But our national debt is still bigger.


19 posted on 12/05/2011 9:45:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: NormsRevenge
“Team sees biggest black holes yet”

Ahem. Nobody has ever “seen” a black hole. A number of notable cosmologists doubt their existence. Their “presence” is always inferred from the observed motions of matter adjacent to their supposed positions. A number of other ideas have been put forward to account for these motions.

Just another example of how Big Science now legislates hypotheses and theories into “Laws” when nobody’s looking.

20 posted on 12/05/2011 9:49:54 AM PST by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
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To: treetopsandroofs; fso301

Mass. IIRC the radius (event horizon) of a black hole is a linear function of its mass. The radius of a black hole this massive would be about 30 billion kilometers. The solar system would fit quite comfortably inside this volume.


21 posted on 12/05/2011 9:50:16 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
That’s racist.

I'm wondering if anybody outside of the Dallas/Ft. Worth area will get that.

22 posted on 12/05/2011 9:51:17 AM PST by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: NormsRevenge

Just one question ...

Are me moving away from this, or towards it?


23 posted on 12/05/2011 9:52:42 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wow! My whole life has changed. (yawn)


24 posted on 12/05/2011 9:53:27 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: txroadkill
I'm wondering if anybody outside of the Dallas/Ft. Worth area will get that.

Probably not.

25 posted on 12/05/2011 9:54:15 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: NormsRevenge
Not having read the article (of course), I wonder if this discovery and the soon to follow other similar finds will cause scientists to rethink the idea of "missing matter" ?

If I understand it correctly, dark matter was put out there because there is according to observations/calculations, a far amount of mass not there that should be.

26 posted on 12/05/2011 9:55:32 AM PST by NativeSon
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To: NormsRevenge

BFL


27 posted on 12/05/2011 9:57:25 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: txroadkill
Who knows. For those that don't get it, they can see this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2532821/posts?vm=r

28 posted on 12/05/2011 9:59:10 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Pimp your blog for hits on Free Republic!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

By mass...a black hole is a singularity which means the blackhole itself doesn’t really take up much space at all..however! It’s gravity well would be huge.


29 posted on 12/05/2011 10:01:26 AM PST by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: NormsRevenge

It looks like numerous other worlds have tried Liberalism with predictable consequences - they are now Black Holes.


30 posted on 12/05/2011 10:09:28 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Diversity in space!


31 posted on 12/05/2011 10:20:44 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Mass. IIRC the radius (event horizon) of a black hole is a linear function of its mass. The radius of a black hole this massive would be about 30 billion kilometers.

You are correct in saying that black holes are measured by their mass not their volume. Black holes can have a measurable circumference but the radius, (and therefore the diameter) is infinite.

32 posted on 12/05/2011 10:38:04 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: earglasses
Nobody has seen a black hole...Just another example of how Big Science now legislates hypotheses and theories into “Laws” when nobody’s looking.

You are half right. It is true, nobody has seen a black hole. The behavior of objects around it tell us it's mass and therefore gravity. All else is down to math. If you are doubting the math then I urge you to stop balancing your checkbook. Yes, the laws of math that say 2+2=4 are the same as the laws of math that describe high energy physics and they are provable.

33 posted on 12/05/2011 10:46:57 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: brytlea; cripplecreek; decimon; bigheadfred; KoRn; Grammy; married21; steelyourfaith; Mmogamer; ...

Thanks gargoyle. This is an ‘extra, extra’ ping to the APoD list.


34 posted on 12/05/2011 10:49:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunTzuWu
Black holes can have a measurable circumference but the radius, (and therefore the diameter) is infinite.

If the radius and diameter are infinite then so is the circumference.

The "radius" of a black hole is generally reckoned as the event horizon. That is finite. If it were infinite the entire observable universe would fit into each and every black hole. The gravitational field extends infinitely in all directions.

35 posted on 12/05/2011 10:49:53 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

Thanks gargoyle.




36 posted on 12/05/2011 10:50:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gargoyle; KevinDavis; annie laurie; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

Thanks gargoyle. A triple-list pingworthy topic, nice job!

 
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37 posted on 12/05/2011 10:55:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

DON’T go anywhere NEAR that!


38 posted on 12/05/2011 10:58:01 AM PST by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: NormsRevenge

Black holes do NOT exist within a vacuum. They exist for a purpose, Probably NOT solely for the purpose of gorging on galactic mass, but I suspect they have a far more intrinsic purpose based on the beginning (or re-beginning) of the known (or unknown) universe or universes. Something is missing in this equation and I suspect physicists will at some point begin to elucidate it. None of us will be here though.


39 posted on 12/05/2011 10:58:52 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m ashamed of myself for the first thought that popped into my head! Nope, not gonna say it, not gonna go there!


40 posted on 12/05/2011 11:06:57 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: SunTzuWu; earglasses

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/science_for_stupid_idiots.html

You can’t deny the math till the math changes.


41 posted on 12/05/2011 11:13:13 AM PST by nixonsnose (Let's see all you lawyers argue your way out of hell.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
I know it sounds counter intuitive but the diameter by definition passes through the center. The center is a singularity and things get weird there. Because the density is infinite, the gravity well has an infinite depth.Any cord across the circle is measurable except for the diameter.

Because space and time are strongly distorted near a black hole, such relationships do not necessarily hold there. For example, a black hole doesn't have a diameter of which you can measure the length with something like a ruler, because if you pass through the horizon to start using your ruler, then you can never get out again.

When scientists talk about the diameter of a black hole, then they mean the diameter that an ordinary object has (that is not a black hole) with the same circumference or surface area as the horizon of the black hole.

http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/antwoorden/zwarte-gaten.html

42 posted on 12/05/2011 11:21:56 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1zGRUPztc

 

I forgot about the hallmark card. Above is the Dallas City Council member John Wiley Price getting offended. He is the definition of Stupid.

43 posted on 12/05/2011 11:43:39 AM PST by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: dfwgator; txroadkill

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections “has become a black hole” because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud “Excuse me!” He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a “white hole.”


44 posted on 12/05/2011 11:51:13 AM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Diversity in space!


45 posted on 12/05/2011 11:54:46 AM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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To: Hodar

We are swirling around it in a decreasing radius. In laymen’s terms, we are being flushed!!


46 posted on 12/05/2011 12:57:19 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: fso301

I think they mean mass which means these are about 10X larger then the one in the middle of our galaxy


47 posted on 12/05/2011 1:05:51 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: NormsRevenge
Scientists have found the biggest black holes known to exist — each one 10 billion times the size of our sun.

Those are big suckers!

48 posted on 12/05/2011 1:33:00 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Laughing at “Comment removed by moderator”. LOL!


49 posted on 12/05/2011 1:35:02 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: SunTzuWu
Wow! You can actually balance your own checkbook? Genius!

Perhaps you'd then like to explain the monstrous need for the inclusion of infinite values in the Einsteinian Relativistic calculations of the powers of the singularities enclosing those black holes you so favor? Or can your checkbook buy your way out of the black hole information paradox?

Or perhaps you'd like to be more scientific, and share the uncertainties of distinguished cosmologists like Halton Arp, Fred Hoyle, and Tom VanFlandern about the very idea of such fanciful entities.

As for your assumption that the behavior of objects around these hypothetical creatures is caused solely by gravity, why not alternatively consider the possibility that things are more strongly propelled by plasmas and magnetohydrodynamic forces? The work of Nobel Prize winner Hannes Alfven clearly suggested that might be the case.

Today's scientists are by and large pygmies. They like to pose as though they stand on the shoulders of giants. In point of fact, their idols’ feet of clay are now breaking down under the weight of too many inexplicable observations and the accumulation of one untenable theory on top of another.

Ptolemy redevivus.

50 posted on 12/05/2011 1:38:59 PM PST by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
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