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Scientists find monster black holes, biggest yet (10 billion times the size of our sun)
Yahoo ^ | 12/5/11 | AP

Posted on 12/05/2011 9:27:17 AM PST by NormsRevenge

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — Scientists have found the biggest black holes known to exist — each one 10 billion times the size of our sun.

A team led by an astronomer at the University of California at Berkeley discovered the two gigantic black holes in clusters of galaxies 300 million light years away. That's relatively close on the galactic scale.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; biggest; blackholes; catastrophism; monster; ngc3842; science; scientists; xplanets
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To: SunTzuWu; earglasses

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/science_for_stupid_idiots.html

You can’t deny the math till the math changes.

41 posted on 12/05/2011 11:13:13 AM PST by nixonsnose (Let's see all you lawyers argue your way out of hell.)

To: 17th Miss Regt
I know it sounds counter intuitive but the diameter by definition passes through the center. The center is a singularity and things get weird there. Because the density is infinite, the gravity well has an infinite depth.Any cord across the circle is measurable except for the diameter.

Because space and time are strongly distorted near a black hole, such relationships do not necessarily hold there. For example, a black hole doesn't have a diameter of which you can measure the length with something like a ruler, because if you pass through the horizon to start using your ruler, then you can never get out again.

When scientists talk about the diameter of a black hole, then they mean the diameter that an ordinary object has (that is not a black hole) with the same circumference or surface area as the horizon of the black hole.

http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/antwoorden/zwarte-gaten.html

42 posted on 12/05/2011 11:21:56 AM PST by SunTzuWu

To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

I forgot about the hallmark card. Above is the Dallas City Council member John Wiley Price getting offended. He is the definition of Stupid.

43 posted on 12/05/2011 11:43:39 AM PST by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections “has become a black hole” because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud “Excuse me!” He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a “white hole.”

44 posted on 12/05/2011 11:51:13 AM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)

To: Jack Hydrazine
Diversity in space!

45 posted on 12/05/2011 11:54:46 AM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)

To: Hodar

We are swirling around it in a decreasing radius. In laymen’s terms, we are being flushed!!

46 posted on 12/05/2011 12:57:19 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)

To: fso301

I think they mean mass which means these are about 10X larger then the one in the middle of our galaxy

47 posted on 12/05/2011 1:05:51 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')

To: NormsRevenge
Scientists have found the biggest black holes known to exist — each one 10 billion times the size of our sun.

Those are big suckers!

48 posted on 12/05/2011 1:33:00 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)

To: NormsRevenge

Laughing at “Comment removed by moderator”. LOL!

49 posted on 12/05/2011 1:35:02 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

To: SunTzuWu
Wow! You can actually balance your own checkbook? Genius!

Perhaps you'd then like to explain the monstrous need for the inclusion of infinite values in the Einsteinian Relativistic calculations of the powers of the singularities enclosing those black holes you so favor? Or can your checkbook buy your way out of the black hole information paradox?

Or perhaps you'd like to be more scientific, and share the uncertainties of distinguished cosmologists like Halton Arp, Fred Hoyle, and Tom VanFlandern about the very idea of such fanciful entities.

As for your assumption that the behavior of objects around these hypothetical creatures is caused solely by gravity, why not alternatively consider the possibility that things are more strongly propelled by plasmas and magnetohydrodynamic forces? The work of Nobel Prize winner Hannes Alfven clearly suggested that might be the case.

Today's scientists are by and large pygmies. They like to pose as though they stand on the shoulders of giants. In point of fact, their idols’ feet of clay are now breaking down under the weight of too many inexplicable observations and the accumulation of one untenable theory on top of another.

Ptolemy redevivus.

50 posted on 12/05/2011 1:38:59 PM PST by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)

To: treetopsandroofs

It appears from other sources that they are referring to mass. The event horizon for a non-rotating black hole is about 3 km for each solar mass, so these bad boys would have an event horizon of more than 20 astronomical units, or about out to the orbit of Saturn if placed in the same position as our sun. < shudder>

51 posted on 12/05/2011 1:47:33 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)

To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Scratch that. Make it beyond the orbit of Uranus. (Saturn is only about 9.4 AU, Uranus about 18+) More shuddering.

52 posted on 12/05/2011 1:51:09 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)

John Wiley Price is not a city councilman. He is a County Commissioner (different political body). But.... he is still a rabble rouser.

53 posted on 12/05/2011 1:58:44 PM PST by ixtl ( You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)

To: NormsRevenge

So, are cosmologists still looking for missing mass that would lead to the universe collapsing in on itself or will they concede that black holes contain the missing mass?

54 posted on 12/05/2011 9:47:09 PM PST by Crucial

To: earglasses
What you said. Or maybe it's not so much what you said as the way you said it -- no matter.

It's been this layman's observation that the application of scientific magic dust has become the the rule rather than the exception since higher(and lower) education was co-opted by the state for their own nefarious purposes. What's more, the American taxpayers' pockets were so deep that our government, in public/public partnership with our domestic Scientific Community™ are and were able to co-opt most of the world's Scientific Community™. Spreading the wealth never felt so good...

55 posted on 12/05/2011 10:22:32 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)

To: Crucial; All

100 BILLION galaxies, each containing hundreds of BILLIONS of stars...Does anybody know what percentage of this number in our universe has actually been observed and or studied in depth???

My guess is less than .0000000001%.

Which begs the obvious logical question. The more the universe is observed, the more scientists discover things that are “bigger or different than expected or theorized”. How can the dark matter theory be taken seriously any more given that it may take decades or even centuries of observation and data collection just to scratch the surface of an adequate comprehension and understanding of what the universe contains?

56 posted on 12/06/2011 8:32:46 PM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)

To: treetopsandroofs; fso301; SunkenCiv; All

If they are talking about diameter, rather than volume or mass, then they would be 10B times the sun’s diameter which is about 870,000 miles across, which is about 109 times the diameter of the earth.

In another astronomical finding, here is information on the discovery of a planet, Kepler 22b, in the “life zone” of liquid water about 600 light years away.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/05/kepler-22b-new-planet-discovered-habitable-zone_n_1129591.html?ncid=webmail13

57 posted on 12/06/2011 9:24:11 PM PST by gleeaikin

To: gleeaikin
58 posted on 12/06/2011 11:30:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)