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BCS is a joke
12-6-2011 | Impy

Posted on 12/06/2011 1:18:37 AM PST by Impy

I know I now, everyone knows that already.

But come on, a team that already lost to LCU, at home, gets in over a 1-loss conference champ. It's a farce.

And why does the "Big" East get an automatic BCS bowl bid? Are they any better than the MWC? Bah.

I hope Alabama wins to make a further mockery of the whole thing.


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1 posted on 12/06/2011 1:18:41 AM PST by Impy
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To: darkangel82; Dengar01; Perdogg

Never posted anything in chat before.


2 posted on 12/06/2011 1:19:58 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

What is LCU?


3 posted on 12/06/2011 1:20:37 AM PST by Chunga (What a load of codswallop!)
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To: Impy

And do you know who beat Oklahoma State? Let’s not go around in circles forever. Alabama deserves the nod. They missed 4 field goals for crying out loud.


4 posted on 12/06/2011 1:22:39 AM PST by Chunga (What a load of codswallop!)
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To: Chunga

LOL there actually is one, Lubbock Christian University.

Sorry I disagree, we already heard this song, I’d like a new one. Bama had their chance, field goals count, ask Boise State. 1 team per conference in the title game baring extraordinary circumstances is my view.


5 posted on 12/06/2011 1:28:28 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict that LSU is going to destroy The Tide by two touchdowns minimum. Alabama had a chance to beat them in Tuscaloosa and let it get away. The second go-round ain’t gonna be close. Look what the Tigers have done the last two games, both against pretty good teams: spotted their opponents double-digit leads but still won going away.


6 posted on 12/06/2011 1:31:50 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Impy
If Alabama wins, would not that justify the BCS. It would show me they had the correct teams in there. Alabama narrowly lost to the #1 team in the nation. Oklahoma St lost to an unranked opponent.

If Oklahoma wanted a place in the BCS all they had to do was beat Iowa st (?). Then hands down they would be playing LSU. Alabama had victories against many powerful teams, as did Oklahoma st. Alabama only lost to a team, per the ratings, that should have beat them. Oklahoma st can't say that. I would say the strength of their victories makes them even. Their strength of their loss makes the story.

7 posted on 12/06/2011 2:40:52 AM PST by lynn4303
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To: Chunga

Guess this means Obama should get a second chance..


8 posted on 12/06/2011 3:39:47 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1
Guess this means Obama should get a second chance..

The BCS is not running the country into the ground.
9 posted on 12/06/2011 3:46:03 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Impy

Playoffs won’t answer the debate either. There will be bickering and sour grapes because somebody is left out. Just look at March madness. The let 64 teams in the tournament and there are always that group saying they were done wrong since they were not selected. That aside I favour a bowl/playoff with the top 8 bcs teams. Not all conferences are equal. So I would say no automatic bids, period. If the top 6 teams are SEC teams then that is what it is. Bama is much better than OK st.


10 posted on 12/06/2011 4:16:27 AM PST by st.eqed
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To: Impy

This year, there shouldn’t be a national championship game. LSU is #1. Nobody disagrees with that. The argument is over who is #2. Some years there is one team that is clearly #1 and the championship game is superfluous, some years there are two teams each of which is a valid choice for #1, and the current set-up is perfect. And, some years there are three valid contenders for #1 and the current set-up leaves something to be desired. If there were a four team playoff, that wouldn’t settle things. It would shift the argument to who is #4 (versus #5). This year, the controversy would be whether a conference champion, Oregon, should be snubbed in favor of a runner-up, Stanford, that it beat during the regular season. With 64 teams or more in the playoffs, as in basketball, there will be belly-aching about the bubble teams, but, in the end, when all the low ranks are eliminated in the initial rounds, there is no argument about the eventual winner. They have a playoff system for other NCAA divisions, but nobody has figured out how to preserve the bowl games and also have a playoff system for the very top schools. With regard to the Big East, I think the West Virginia v. Clemson match-up in the Orange Bowl makes a very attractive bowl game.


11 posted on 12/06/2011 5:12:47 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever

I agree with you. This year the argument is about who get’s the right to get beat by LSU. OSU should be thankful, at least now the get the chance to finish at #2...instead of 4th or lower.


12 posted on 12/06/2011 5:27:44 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: Impy

I agree, the BCS is a joke and there should be a playoff like the FCS. It is of my opinion, however, that Alabama and LSC are the 2 best teams, but they should have to prove it by beating Oklahoma State, Boise State, Stanford, et al.


13 posted on 12/06/2011 5:33:12 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

Chokelahoma State should consider themselves fortunate NOT to have to play LSU.


14 posted on 12/06/2011 5:38:45 AM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: st.eqed

Bama is much better than OK st.

Then maybe Bama should play OK St. and then the winner play LSU. But if Bama beats LSU aren’t they tied at one win each. Then they should play again for 2 out of 3 to determine the best.


15 posted on 12/06/2011 5:40:45 AM PST by atom99
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To: Impy

While I am for a playoff system (maybe a +1 system), I am pretty sure the BCS did its job this year. They are tasked with matching the two best teams for a championship game. LSU and Alabama are the two best teams. LSU barely escaped Alabama last month and will probably have another very close game with them in January.


16 posted on 12/06/2011 5:52:11 AM PST by Comstock1 (You can't have Falstaff and have him thin.)
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To: mozarky2

I’ve actually found myself following the FCS more closely these days. It helps that I went to an FCS school, but I honestly like the system much better. Unlike the FBS/BCS, a loss doesn’t sink the entire season’s championship hopes. There is a good sized playoff of 20 teams, top 12 get first round byes, and better teams are rewarded with home games whith the championship game on a neutral field. The FBS is frustrating as a fan. You get a key injury or have a bad game and lose a game or two and your chances for a championship are over. As we saw this year, a team like Boise State or Houston has zero margin of error. They have to have a perfect season or they are relegated to a third rate bowl game against a middle of the pack BCS conference team if they are lucky.


17 posted on 12/06/2011 5:53:33 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: st.eqed; Impy; Redmen4ever; wolfman23601
Playoffs won’t answer the debate either. There will be bickering and sour grapes because somebody is left out.

Maybe the BCS is satisfying the problem to the people who do matter.

A playoff system in collegiate football isn't workable because the playoff system would be nearly as long and far more grueling than the regular season. Many teams play cupcakes during the regular season for reasons of conditioning, injuries and the fact that the players are supposed to be students first. With sudden death playoffs similar to basketball, the ultimate winner has to play six additional games? Furthermore, that would crush the Bowl system since it is nearly impossible for alumni and other fans (in stadium filling numbers) to make travel plans at the last minute to attend what might be their team's last game in some far flung city.

Then we need to look at society's present condition in terms of competition. We now have two generations of people who have been raised in the Participation Trophy Age. We have abandoned any form of reasonable metric to determine winners and loses (at least from can be gathered from reading BCS threads) and even winning a game isn't considered a fair indicator.

So, IMHO, we have the perfect "playoff" system now in the BCS. It works similar in principle to a firing squad in which no one can make a certain claim of responsibility for the execution. The BCS uses all kinds of convoluted formulas, illogical rules, injections of "fairness", bribery, craven greed, subjective opinion and other totally lousy metrics for ascertaining who plays and who sits at home watching it all on TV. Its convoluted and illogical so that no one can take responsibility/blame for the outcome and we can all be angry about a non-personal system rather than hanging the NCAA commissioner from a lamp-post when our team doesn't make the cut.

The BCS is about as "American" as a system could get. Forget all of this failed competition and "Winners and losers" claptrap. We are Occupy Football Stadiums now.

18 posted on 12/06/2011 5:55:37 AM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Impy

Everything will change when the first conference leaps to 16 teams and a couple of others follow.


19 posted on 12/06/2011 5:59:21 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: lynn4303; Redmen4ever

LSU is indeed and fact the #1 team. A review of their schedule shows that during the season, including the SEC Championsip game, they defeated 8 teams that were ranked in the top 25 at the time they played. Average rank 12.13. Six of those teams are ranked in the top 25; average rank 12.83.

‘Bama defeated 3 top 25 teams when played; average rank 16.33. Final BCS 3 teams; average rank 17.67.

OSU defeated 4 ranked teams; average 15. Final BCS 3 ranked for an average of 15.33. (Texas A&M fell out of the top 25.)

I have to say the Cowboys were my preferred opponent, but some elephant gumbo on 1/9/12 will still be pretty sweet!

Geaux Tigahs!


20 posted on 12/06/2011 6:26:24 AM PST by hotshu (Redistribution of wealth by the government is nothing but theft under the color of law.)
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To: st.eqed

I think the solution is to simply have the top four teams in a playoff, I think it will solve 90% of all of the problems, adding more rounds, will not have a good enough marginal return to justify it, because more rounds will make injuries more of a factor as to who wins the title.


21 posted on 12/06/2011 6:29:25 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Impy

Something else I would like to see:

Take the Top 32 teams from the preceding season, and for each team, draw two random opponents for the following season, each team plays one of those games at home, the other away. Set aside two weekends for those games, one in September, and the other in early November. That way each team has to play two quality non-conference opponents, including teams like Boise State.

One of the things about the Gators schedule over the years, is that they have not played a regular season non-conference game outside of the state of Florida in over 20 years.


22 posted on 12/06/2011 6:37:57 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Impy

I’m one of those guys who doesn’t believe in ‘national titles’ I believe in tradition. To me the Rose Bowl beteween big 10 and pac 10, the Iron Bowl, the Notre Dame BC game, the Army Navy game are what college Football is about.

So I really have no dog in this. But if you really respect football, you realize that overtime is the joke. The LSU Bama game this year ended in a tie and Alabama outplayed LSU pure and simple. LSU deserves huge credit for ‘winning’ (Under college rules) anyway on the road.

You’ve got the right teams given that the whole idea of a championship is bad for America. Just enjoy it.


23 posted on 12/06/2011 6:39:29 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Impy
LOL! Although I agree with you that the BCS is a joke, Alabama won the slot by the rules, so get over it.

I'm an Alabama fan and if OSU had won the slot I would have been disappointed, but would not moan and groan about it.

Alabama lost by 3 points to LSU in an overtime that should never have happened. A missed pass interference call in the first half would very likely have led to another Alabama score from a much shorter field goal attempt.

OSU lost to an unranked team...you can't compare that Alabama's squeaker against a #1 ranked team.

24 posted on 12/06/2011 6:43:07 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Rippin

That’s another thing I don’t like about the BCS system, an overtime win, should not count the same as a regulation win.


25 posted on 12/06/2011 6:43:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Chunga
What is LCU?

Louisiana Cajun Univesity...

26 posted on 12/06/2011 6:45:45 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Impy

It’s a farce due to all the boo-hooing conferences failing to agree to a proposed play-off system submitted by the SEC in 2008. The other conferences did not want a play-off. Thus, the system we have is what got us here. Live with it.


27 posted on 12/06/2011 6:57:28 AM PST by petitfour
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To: Chunga
What is LCU?

Louisiana Cajun University...

28 posted on 12/06/2011 7:00:13 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Impy

Alabama BARELY lost one game to the #1 ranked team in the country.

OK State lost to Iowa State...

Big difference in Alabama losing to the #1 team and OK State losing to an unranked team...


29 posted on 12/06/2011 7:01:01 AM PST by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Louisiana Cajun Univesity...

Wasn't that the school in "The Waterboy"?

30 posted on 12/06/2011 7:02:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Rippin
“So I really have no dog in this. But if you really respect football, you realize that overtime is the joke. The LSU Bama game this year ended in a tie and Alabama outplayed LSU pure and simple. LSU deserves huge credit for ‘winning’ (Under college rules) anyway on the road.”

Both college and pro overtimes are a joke. I think flipping a coin in the college games would be better than what they are doing now. At least two college games went to four overtimes this year. The Pro overtimes pretty much go with whoever wins the flip of the coin. If you are going to have overtimes then play a fifth quarter with regular rules. If still tied, either flip or play a sixth quarter. At least each team has a chance to win.

31 posted on 12/06/2011 7:03:01 AM PST by Faith-Hope
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To: Impy

I’m surprised they still rank OK State in top 5 after losing to an unranked team...


32 posted on 12/06/2011 7:03:24 AM PST by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Faith-Hope

They need to go to a points system like hockey (even though they still don’t quite get it right)

3 points for a regulation win
2 points for an overtime win
1 point for an overtime loss
0 points for a regulation loss


33 posted on 12/06/2011 7:07:39 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Faith-Hope

totally agree with your approach to overtimes in football.


34 posted on 12/06/2011 7:11:40 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Faith-Hope
The Pro overtimes pretty much go with whoever wins the flip of the coin.

Not true, historically it's about 50/50.

35 posted on 12/06/2011 7:13:29 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Rippin
I’m one of those guys who doesn’t believe in ‘national titles’ I believe in tradition.

I totally agree. For over a century we have had arguments at the end of every season as to whether the #1 ranked team really deserved to be there or not.

And you know what? Those arguments didn't hurt the game, or take away any interest in the season. Not one little bit.

Going back to the pre-BCS system would be just fine with me.

36 posted on 12/06/2011 7:16:21 AM PST by Notary Sojac
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To: Impy

I have a bigger problem with VT going to the sugar bowl than bama in the campionship.


37 posted on 12/06/2011 7:17:43 AM PST by lwd
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To: Notary Sojac

I’m beginning to think that way too....it’s one of the reasons, I still look forward to the Army-Navy game this weekend, one of the last vestiges of college football tradition left.


38 posted on 12/06/2011 7:18:59 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
"I think the solution is to simply have the top four teams in a playoff, I think it will solve 90% of all of the problems, adding more rounds, will not have a good enough marginal return to justify it, because more rounds will make injuries more of a factor as to who wins the title."

That wouldn't help the undefeated minor conference teams though who couldn't crack the top four (AP) before bowl season:

2009 (6) Boise State 13-0

2008 (7) Utah, (9) Boise State 12-0

2007 (11) Hawaii 12-0

2006 (9) Boise State 12-0

2004 (5) Utah 11-0, (10) Boise State 11-0

Maybe, to offset injuries, you can cut one non-conference regular season game from everyone.

39 posted on 12/06/2011 7:19:38 AM PST by RabidBartender (The above statement is not meant to be offensive to women. Please don't whine and have me banned.)
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To: RabidBartender

If you go with my idea of two assigned games against top-quality opponents, then I think that would solve that.


40 posted on 12/06/2011 7:20:36 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Notary Sojac

Wow! Cool! I thought to hear people talk I was the only person in the whole country who felt this way!


41 posted on 12/06/2011 7:22:50 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Rippin
As a life long LSU fan, I don't think its “fair” (I hate to use that word) that LSU has to beat ‘Bama twice for the BCS National Championship trophy. However, since Les Miles, head coach of the LSU football program voted ‘Bama the number 2 team in the nation, I don't have much to complain about. Geaux Tigers, Beat ‘Bama, again.
42 posted on 12/06/2011 7:44:39 AM PST by Samson0254 (Nothing is impossible for those who don't have to do it or pay for it.)
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To: Rippin

I’d be perfectly happy if my alma mater (Florida State) went 1-10 every year for the rest of my life, as long as that 1 was against the Gators.


43 posted on 12/06/2011 7:45:05 AM PST by Notary Sojac
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To: wolfman23601

There are only three conferences that matter; AFC, NFC and the SEC.

Vanderbilt or Kentucky would beat all those teams you mentioned.

I’m tired of these teams like Ohio, VT, and ND playing six or seven Division I-A and II caliber (ie. Akron, Boise State etc.) teams during a season and then hollering about how they should be in a big bowl.

NOBODY played a tougher schedule than Tennessee this year, and it showed on them.

There are plenty of bowls and time for a top 32 team football playoff. When three of the final 4 are from the SEC and the other is from the ACC for five years straight, nobody should complain.


44 posted on 12/06/2011 8:00:22 AM PST by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: Impy

Current vegas line is LSU-1 and o/u is 40. I may wait until game time and if bama is getting 3 or more, load up on bama. I think they could have won the first time but the missed field goals and INT on the 1 yard line cost them dearly. I had LSU+5 that game (wish I had gone moneyline).

I will probably take the under too (it’s trending down).

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/


45 posted on 12/06/2011 8:07:39 AM PST by lwd
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To: noprogs

Regardless of how you look at conferences... I agree the SEC has been the strongest of late, but I think there is a big drop off after LSU and ‘Bama (Arkansas and Georgia are no better than Virginia Tech, Stanford, Ok State)... One or two losses should not doom a season. Nothing wrong with copying the 20 team playoff model the FCS uses. Reward the Alabamas and LSUs with byes and home games, but give the Virginia Techs and Boise States the chance to compete. You never know what will happen. Boise State has consistently won BCS bowls against major conference competition. Virginia Tech is usually way overated, but they can beat anyone during their better seasons. Plus it would make things very interesting for a month and the college football brand would benefit greatly.


46 posted on 12/06/2011 8:22:40 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Redmen4ever
"This year, there shouldn’t be a national championship game. LSU is #1. Nobody disagrees with that. The argument is over who is #2."
 
So, if Alabama beats LSU in the "title" game, would "everybody" still agree that LSU is still #1? 
 
Some would simply say "well, LSU was the best team in the nation during the regular season". 
 
Others would say "well, Alabama was the best team in the nation at the end of the year and that is what counts".
 
A few would say "bring on the rubber match!"
 
Or, perhaps "folks, we have a tie!"
 
Of course, you'll hear "this proves we need a playoff system!!" and "the BCS sucks!"
 
As for me, I'll say "bring on the roundballers!".

47 posted on 12/06/2011 9:03:16 AM PST by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: Faith-Hope; dfwgator
The Pro overtimes pretty much go with whoever wins the flip of the coin

The last time I saw a stat (which was a couple of years ago), the coin flip winner wins about 53% of the time.

Remember, if you get the ball first and fail to do much with it, the other team likely gets good field position. Winning the toss works both ways.

48 posted on 12/06/2011 9:11:18 AM PST by kevkrom (Separation of Business and State)
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To: Faith-Hope; dfwgator
The Pro overtimes pretty much go with whoever wins the flip of the coin

The last time I saw a stat (which was a couple of years ago), the coin flip winner wins about 53% of the time.

Remember, if you get the ball first and fail to do much with it, the other team likely gets good field position. Winning the toss works both ways.

49 posted on 12/06/2011 9:11:34 AM PST by kevkrom (Separation of Business and State)
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To: Impy

There’s a simple reason why the BCS chose both LSU and Alabama to play for the national title. That’s the only way they could ensure that an SEC team would lose a championship game. ;-)


50 posted on 12/06/2011 9:57:31 AM PST by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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