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Natchez Trace Parkway: Slow down in salamander zone
WLBT ^ | 12\07\2011 | Satff

Posted on 12/07/2011 5:53:43 PM PST by WKB

HINDS COUNTY, MS (WLBT) - A two-mile section of the Natchez Trace Parkway south of Interstate 20 in Hinds County now has a lowered speed zone to protect wildlife in the area.

According to the National Park Service, there is a habitat in this area for several species of salamanders and frogs, including the “state-imperiled” Webster’s salamander.

In order to increase the ability for these species to cross unharmed, a reduced speed limit of 35 mph at night, when raining, will be in effect, the National Park Service announced in a press release Wednesday.

Dozens of amphibians are killed by cars each night during the rainy nights in the December and March breeding season, the National Park Service says.


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1 posted on 12/07/2011 5:53:46 PM PST by WKB
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To: DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; Vietnam Vet From New Mexico; wardaddy; KLT; montesquiue; ...

Be careful out there MS Ping


2 posted on 12/07/2011 5:55:10 PM PST by WKB (Anything Obama: "What a revoltin' development this is")
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To: Salamander

You holding up traffic, now? (8^D)


3 posted on 12/07/2011 5:55:34 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: WKB

The NTP is nothing but a speed trap.


4 posted on 12/07/2011 6:10:24 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: WKB

So running over them at 35 mph means they wont be killed?

Or ... going only 35mph will make it possible for drivers to see them on the road and swerve to miss them...

lots of luck


5 posted on 12/07/2011 6:15:59 PM PST by dmet
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To: Red_Devil 232
I have been driving the Trace from Cherokee, AL to my hometown south of Tupelo for decades. I have never seen anyone get a ticket. Usually the traffic is going the opposite direction from me. A relative said I had it trained. Of course, several months ago, I saw about 5 cars ahead of me going very, very fast. I tried to see just what they were doing but I slowed down when I got to 80. Don't know where they were going to be in such a hurry. No one should speed on that crooked road. It is dangerous. BTW, I have seen a lot of deer and turkeys on that road. In fact, several years ago, we saw a deer jump the car in front of us. It is a beautiful road.
6 posted on 12/07/2011 6:19:19 PM PST by MamaB
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To: Red_Devil 232

You are 100% correct.


7 posted on 12/07/2011 6:20:39 PM PST by WKB (Anything Obama: "What a revoltin' development this is")
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To: WKB
Dozens of amphibians are killed by cars each night during the rainy nights in the December and March breeding season

I've heard the story about those innocent salamander-like Naughas being slaughtered to make Naughahyde sofas. This stretch of road must be where that happens.

8 posted on 12/07/2011 6:22:01 PM PST by Oatka (This is the USA, assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: MamaB

We have made several trips up and down the whole length of the Natchez Trace, it is a beautiful road. I hope we can do it again someday.


9 posted on 12/07/2011 6:25:33 PM PST by Ditter
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To: WKB

Wow! The little dudes can run 36mph+? Just wow. Fast little dudes.

Maybe those giant multithousand pound vehicles somehow become airborne when they slow down to 35mph and manage *not* to squish the little dears?

Because when you see them you are able to stop more ‘almost in time’ and they don’t smear as far if you’re only going 35mph?

I’m not seeing the logic in this rule. And I had many years of physics.

Are there similar laws on other roads in that area? Do the lizards like to play chicken ONLY on the trace? And only after dark or in the rain? (lizard version of ‘hold muh beer...’)

So confused.


10 posted on 12/07/2011 6:32:59 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Truly Amazing ain’t it!!!!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 12/07/2011 6:45:20 PM PST by WKB (Anything Obama: "What a revoltin' development this is")
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yup.

Got a barricade with razor wire and a machine gun nest.

I ~said~ “SLOW DOWN, DAMMIT!”

8:)


12 posted on 12/07/2011 6:46:29 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: Black Agnes

Why don’t they just put in a few crosswalks?


13 posted on 12/07/2011 6:46:33 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Black Agnes
Why don't they just put in a few crosswalks?

It would help create jobs for the OWS crowd.

14 posted on 12/07/2011 6:53:05 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: WKB

The Trace runs through my farm, hope they don’t find any of those frogs in the ponds. The actual old real Trace runs through it too, it is just a wide path running by a creek.


15 posted on 12/07/2011 7:09:43 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas; WKB; Black Agnes; Salamander

Salamander tunnels will be coming your way too!
Back in l987, Amherst, MA put in the first salamander tunnel.Big celebration in town and then they realized the salamander didn’t know about the tunnel and were still getting killed. They had volunteers stationed at the entrance to train the critters to use the tunnel.
Since then the States of Vermont, Massachusetts, California and Connecticut have followed suit. VT’s cost $150,000. Canada also got the bug and started building salamander tunnels. Now many salamanders and frogs have collars so the NPS can monitor their success (whatever).
Not sure why any state takes this seriously and falls for this ridiculous and failed experiment. But thinking there is money to be made with transfer of Federal $$$ to States.


16 posted on 12/07/2011 7:19:07 PM PST by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: mojo114
Tilden Park (Berkeley, CA) newt migration road closure:

http://www.ebparks.org/news/111708b

17 posted on 12/07/2011 7:25:07 PM PST by thecodont
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To: mojo114

I think I’m going to see if yardcats will eat this particular critter. no sense letting one of them set up housekeeping on MY property.

Anybody know somebody with kittens?


18 posted on 12/07/2011 7:26:58 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: WKB

Yeah. Even though my fizziks is only Dog. U. fizziks. Even *I* can see the problem with this rule.

Speaking of dogs, wonder if dogs eat these critters...Hmmm, outside dogs or outside cats. decisions decisions decisions.


19 posted on 12/07/2011 7:30:25 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Ditter
One time I stopped at the Indian Mounds north of Tupelo. There were 2 other cars there. I got to talking to the lady and she said she was from NJ and had met her brother in Nashville. Don't know why they had 2 cars but they left Nashville and were going to Natchez where he lived. She said the Trace was one of the most beautiful roads they had been on. It was in April and the flowers were beautiful. Have you been to the graves of the Confederate soldiers north of Tupelo? I had planned to stop there one time but before I left here, I read in the paper that a man had been found there dead. Kinda changed my mind! : )
20 posted on 12/07/2011 7:42:52 PM PST by MamaB
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To: WKB
Wow! How about the Love Bugs on the Florida Turnpike in June?

-PJ

21 posted on 12/07/2011 7:45:26 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: mojo114

Stupid MD doesn’t care, even though the Eastern Spotted Salamander is our state amphibian.

Until I almost got grabbed off the mountain top one rainy night, I used to go up with a bucket and a flashlight and get the ones I could, across.

It’s not like they “dart into traffic” or you can’t see them on the road, people just don’ give a damn.

Fact is, these animals have ‘ancestral crossings’ that they [and their ancestors] have used since time, immemorial.

Just because there’s suddenly a road on top of a mountain doesn’t mean they’ll “figure out” another way to cross.

They spend 99% of their lives underground, come down off the mountain, cross the road and continue down the mountain until they reach the vernal pools where they were hatched, breed and then make the trip back up.

We had *tons* of them here until the flatlanders moved out this way and just drove over them without concern.
[these are the same liberals who chain themselves to trees, no less]

Within a year, the mountain top was a scene of mass carnage in late Feb/early March during the first rains.

Literally thousands of them smashed, just because people couldn’t be bothered to slow down a bit, especially since they cross right on the ‘dead man’s curve’]

Whereas before, I’d see them everywhere here, now it’s a big deal if I see one a year.

I don’t care who it pisses off.

I -hate- seeing things killed when it could easily be avoided.

To add insult to injury, the ecos bawl abut the ‘loss of salamander species’ in the state.

Hey Stoopids!

Call me!

I can clue you in!


22 posted on 12/07/2011 7:55:53 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: Black Agnes

Bad idea.

Most salamanders are toxic.


23 posted on 12/07/2011 7:59:55 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: Salamander

Wow! I live on the coast and would have blown this off as nothing, but your story touched me. Thanks.


24 posted on 12/07/2011 8:23:54 PM PST by logitech
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To: MamaB
Both times we have been on the Trace it was in the fall and the leaves were magnificent. No we didn't go to the Confederate Cemetery. Have you seen the places along the Trace where the dirt still shows the ruts made by the wagon wheels in the 1800’s? My family came to Texas in the late 1820’s or early 1830’s and probably traveled on the Natchez Trace.
25 posted on 12/07/2011 8:26:34 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Salamander

I do understand your feelings. The problem occurs with more building on the land that salamanders used to call their own. Their traffic pattern is disturbed so they get slammed. However, the tunnels don’t work.
As I said, the Amherst MA tunnel had to have volunteers working nights to guide the salamanders to /thru the tunnel. If you are interested in the successes or failures of the first salamander tunnel google Amherst Salamander Tunnel, lot’s of info.


26 posted on 12/07/2011 8:29:05 PM PST by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: WKB; Salamander

Could be worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o2J2fI59so


27 posted on 12/07/2011 10:56:18 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: WKB; Slings and Arrows
In order to increase the ability for these species to cross unharmed, a reduced speed limit of 35 mph at night, when raining, will be in effect, the National Park Service announced in a press release Wednesday.

So, a slow squash, instead of a quick squish?

Unless those salamanders are the size of rats,who is going to see them on a wet road at night in time to avoid them, even at 35?

Hello, Road Service? I'm in a ditch on I-20; I swerved to miss a salamander...yes; a salamander...QUIT LAUGHING AND SEND A DAMNED TOW TRUCK!

28 posted on 12/07/2011 11:24:25 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Si, se puede: uno inmigrante ilegale a la vez! Mi corazón sangra como un nabo*. *turnip)
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To: Slings and Arrows

OMG...soon as I saw the title, I backed out.

I know about them.

That is horrible.

Poor things.

There’s also some mass frog migration every year with the same results but I forget where.

[probably blanked it out]


29 posted on 12/07/2011 11:29:45 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: mojo114

That’s a pity.

At least the people tried.

Here, “building” isn’t an issue.

Where they cross is from a nearly vertical cut in the mountain on the north side of the road down a sheer drop on the right side of the road.

Only mountain goats could live on those angles.

They can’t build squat there but they could cut a road through it.

The biggest tragedy is that they only cross over about a hundred foot stretch of road, always in the exact same place, every single year.

People can’t take less than 5 seconds out of their lives to slow down for a lousy hundred feet.


30 posted on 12/07/2011 11:35:51 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: logitech

West coast?

If so, you have those amazing, huge Tiger Salamanders out there.

They make great pets...:)


31 posted on 12/07/2011 11:41:56 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
They usually cross en masse.

A “herd” of salamanders crossing the road is pretty noticeable.

32 posted on 12/07/2011 11:46:34 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: Salamander

I see you’ve already been pinged.....

8^D


33 posted on 12/08/2011 3:24:43 AM PST by The SISU kid (I feel really homesick all the time & so do all the other aliens.....)
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To: WKB

What’s a salamander? Anything like a newt?


34 posted on 12/08/2011 7:30:35 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn
"What’s a salamander? Anything like a newt?"

Only until you get better ...


35 posted on 12/08/2011 7:41:40 AM PST by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: razorback-bert; MamaB; vetvetdoug; Black Agnes

biggest issue on the Trace are the deer at night...no question.

if you keep it around 57-58 in the 50 mph stretches the rangers are not an issue

I have hit one deer in my 40 years on the Trace and so have several of my kin

I drive it a good bit...several times a week. Mostly northern end...from Florence-TN river to Hwy 100 terminus

and venture further south too every year

I grew up using the trace all around Jackson to Port Gibson (for the old MS river ferry to Lake Bruin) and up to Tupelo...Booneville...I was recently in Booneville...amazed at the growth and that bypass

I drove the trace from Lorman to Jackson recently...two weeks ago.

it’s a great southern forest and farmland road...I remember vaguely as a boy when the Resevoir outside Jackson first swallowed parts of the Old early paved trace...Lost Rabbit area

note to anyone...keep your head up around Howenwald TN (US 412 bridge)...it’s blocked off while they rebuild the bridge..it just jumps up on ya


36 posted on 12/08/2011 8:05:26 AM PST by wardaddy (Michelle, Sarah, Perry now Newt over Mitt.....that is how I've seen it and it's where we are)
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To: MamaB; WKB

>> I read in the paper that a man had been found there dead <<

Yeah, that musta been Meriweather Lewis, found dead at Grinders Switch.

(His colleagues at the White House said it was suicide, but the more perceptive minds among us suspect he was murdered for knowing too much.)


37 posted on 12/08/2011 8:24:46 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Political Junkie Too
How about the Love Bugs on the Florida Turnpike in June?

Oh man.....on a driving trip from California doing the "friends and family" tour, we drove from Lakeland down to Cape Coral - it took an extra hour or so, due to the necessity to stop and scrub down the windshield with great frequency.

38 posted on 12/08/2011 8:39:49 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: The SISU kid

Yep.

And I’m probably well on my way to being slapped, kicked and poked, too....;D


39 posted on 12/08/2011 11:35:34 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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