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Shooting the Kahr 9mm
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Posted on 12/09/2011 9:39:29 AM PST by JoeProBono

Shooting the Kahr 9mm



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1 posted on 12/09/2011 9:39:37 AM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

2 posted on 12/09/2011 9:43:32 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: JoeProBono

She’s just gonna love the 200 round “break in” most recommend for the Kahr. I had a CW9 briefly. The slide release was hell on the thumb.


3 posted on 12/09/2011 9:44:03 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: JoeProBono

My daughter owns a Kahr 9mm.

She says, “If I can point my finger at you, I can hit you”.


4 posted on 12/09/2011 9:44:38 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: JoeProBono

comments are interesting


5 posted on 12/09/2011 9:45:16 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Here is my wife demonstrating the same "women's leanback" using a Kimber 45 Ultra Carry II. Kimber45practice
6 posted on 12/09/2011 9:51:29 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: edpc
My old KAHR


7 posted on 12/09/2011 9:58:11 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: JoeProBono

My wife loves her Kahr PM9.


8 posted on 12/09/2011 9:59:33 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: edpc
“...200 round “break in”...”

Some 1911s need 500 rounds. A Colt Series 70 .45 I had needed every bit of that and a trigger job before it got good and right and reliable.

My Kimber 45 with a 3-inch barrel can put five of five rounds in a man-sized silhouette target at 100 yards which some five-inchers can't match.

9 posted on 12/09/2011 9:59:48 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: JoeProBono
I'm a fan, had mine almost 6 years. They just don't sell well at the store Photobucket
10 posted on 12/09/2011 10:08:32 AM PST by nin_kasi
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To: JoeProBono

I’m missing the point of the video.

Please help new shooters get a proper stance. Smaller people will lean back more when they hold a heavy object out. It physics. Teach them to place a foot forward or hold the gun closer.


11 posted on 12/09/2011 10:08:41 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: TSgt
"...wife loves her Kahr PM9..." I love short-barreled weapons. This is one of my carry guns: a Smith Model 657 41 magnum with a three-inch. It points well for fast work and is capable of going long. I use moderate handloads of 215 grain Keith-style that are comfy compared to full mags. Smith&Wesson41mag1984
12 posted on 12/09/2011 10:08:57 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

The number of rounds wasn’t my point....it was her technique and comfort level, or lack thereof.


13 posted on 12/09/2011 10:14:13 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: edpc; JoeProBono; TSgt
I bought a Kahr PM9 exactly similar to the picture in post #2, that I bought in Feb 2008 for $650 (plus tax) and sold in Feb 2010 for $500.

Yes, the gun was very compact and nice for conceal carry (I used a hip pad holster) but in all honesty, I hated the gun. Worst handgun I have ever fired. The slide would stick with the first 3-4 rounds coming out of the magazine clip, and I would have to pop the end of slide with the butt of my hand (wrist) to get the shell into the chamber. I went back to my gun dealer, we called Kahr hq in Massachusetts and they said, "Oh yah, that problem does exist and you have to fire a MINIMUM of 200 rounds to get it to where the slide will not stick with the first 3-4 rounds of every clip." My gun dealer said I should count on having to fire 4-500 rounds to correct the problem. I like my gun dealer, but I told him that he should inform any future customers of this bizarre feature on the Kahr PM9. If I buy a brand new gun for $650, I want it to feel good & work properly the first time, not after having to fire it 200 or 4-500 rounds.

Plus the magazine would pinch the skin betwee my little finger & 4th finger every time I fired the gun. Like I said, worst handgun I have ever fired. I was glad I was able to find a buyer to purchase it. I won't buy another Kahr handgun of any caliber or barrel size.

14 posted on 12/09/2011 10:14:54 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: driftdiver

My Mosin


15 posted on 12/09/2011 10:17:17 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: edpc

I consider my P45 to be a great conceal weapon. .45 ACP, small and light, no hammer, no safety, long trigger pull, accurate at 7 meters. That said, it is the least pleasureable range pistol I have ever shot. Put 50 rounds through it and the grip pattern stays in your hand for the rest of the day.


16 posted on 12/09/2011 10:17:34 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: rcrngroup


17 posted on 12/09/2011 10:21:52 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: JoeProBono

As a general rule of marksmanship, closing one’s eyes when firing the weapon will most often result in missing the intended target!


18 posted on 12/09/2011 10:21:52 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (N/A)
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To: JoeProBono; edpc; driftdiver; ChildOfThe60s

I now use a Kel-Tec .380 most often as my concealed carry. My son who is now armed security and formerly Marine Presidential Security taught me point of aim shooting and it does work. At 15 feet I can put 20 rounds in the rings and ¾ in the black. If I aim I have the same result at 21 feet. For me the key was applying 80% of the pressure with the off hand and 20% with the trigger hand. Since you remove the pistol from the belt or a pocket with the trigger hand it takes some practice to instinctively change the pressure.

Definitely agree with comments about posture. I always start with my 22LR before I dry fire and fire other pistols. He made the point to me to get your posture correct. Acquire and stay on target using your large muscles. He was taught the isosceles stance.

By the way ChildOfThe60’s, I am so there. We have a reunion each year of the guys I went through Navy Officer Candidate School with in 1969. There are always related several versions of what happened our first night.


19 posted on 12/09/2011 10:22:34 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: JoeProBono

I see you too have a rubber butt pad ... sign of someone who actually shoots a Mosina. I don’t know about keeping the pike on it though ...


20 posted on 12/09/2011 10:22:59 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: JoeProBono
OK, three obvious items:

> Bad stance. She should cheat one foot (I'd guess the right) out a couple of feet to shift and center her balance forward.
> Closing eyes/flinching while firing. Will tend to pull shots off center.
>No eye protection. While she at least wears ear protection, she's running a risk if she catches a piece of hot brass in the face.

On the positive side, at least she's wearing proper clothing. I watched a guy attempt to teach his girlfriend to shoot one day. She was rather a healthy gal, and wearing a low-cut top. The lesson stopped suddenly, however, when a piece of hot brass bounced off a wall and down her cleavage...

21 posted on 12/09/2011 10:30:22 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: Monterrosa-24

A classic Smith revolver is a thing of beauty. Thanks for posting.


22 posted on 12/09/2011 10:39:29 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: rcrngroup

I do like my CW9. Nice weight, no FTE, stovepipes, etc. However, I’ve grown somewhat disenchanted with polymer frames, as I notice a bit of wear (although metal is on the rails where it should be).

My next handgun will be all stainless steel. aluminum. etc. I want to know I can shoot it the rest of my life. (eyeing a Kimber 1911)...


23 posted on 12/09/2011 10:40:50 AM PST by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: rcrngroup
I had a CW9 that would "stove pipe" a lot, despite the fact I didn't shoot it with soft hands or limp wrists. I was aware of the break in, but it aggrivated the hell out of me. I went to a Para Carry 9 with the LDA trigger. I really liked it a lot. The trigger was very smooth and the accuracy was excellent. However, I found a compact 9 lacking in stopping power.

Any short weapon with a short barrel is going to lose some punch. I figured I was better off with making larger holes, so I and went with a Kimber .45ACP Ultra Carry II. As a bonus, it came with the Crimson Trace grip. Couldn't pass up the deal offered at the time. I miss the LDA trigger, but this Kimber is a sweet weapon.

24 posted on 12/09/2011 10:43:50 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: JoeProBono

The Kahr MK40 I purchased (used) is a tad smaller than the PM9 and has a stainless frame. Shoots very accurately for such a short barrel. A high quality weapon made in the USA. I love it; protects me & mine everywhere we go.


25 posted on 12/09/2011 10:53:53 AM PST by Kolb (Compone Accomoda Supera)
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To: JoeProBono

You know, the traditional long gun over the fireplace thing. Your “update” of that concept put the menace factor right back into it,,just the way great great great grandpa meant it with the old musket.

Inspiring.


26 posted on 12/09/2011 11:03:41 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Rinnwald

625 JM


27 posted on 12/09/2011 11:15:15 AM PST by wordsofearnest (Proper aim of giving is to put the recipient in a state where he no longer needs it. C.S. Lewis)
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To: JoeProBono

I own (among other things that go BANG!) a Kahr PM9.

Why? Best shooting sub,subcompact WITH a real safety (designed for Concealed Carry). CC of a semi, with one in the chamber if the only safety is “grip/trigger” is Darwin-Award strength dumb.

Also, I don’t care if the dude’s family were/are moonies. Anybody building guns in America esp in Taxichussets can get my money with a quality product.

I guess the anti-kahr guys would rather kahr do flower arrangements?


28 posted on 12/09/2011 11:30:37 AM PST by BereanBrain
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Friday fun thread.

I have had two Kahr PM9s in the last few years; I gave one to a friend and bought another. Both were broken in using some rather hot Federal 9mm 124gr hardball that was intended for subguns. 200+ rounds with zero stoppages.

Since then, I've run a wide variety of HP ammo through mine, again, with zero failures. Doesn't get better than that. These things are built like trucks.

Of course, shooting full power defense 9mm means you better have a death-grip on the thing for every shot, but I've learned to do that anyway. The muzzle blast can also make things uncomfortable, for both you and folks on either side of you.

Not a fun gun to shoot, really, but none of that will matter under stress. And here in the land of sun, heat and humidity, you can have one of these hidden under a tank-top and no one's the wiser.

I later obtained a PM40. Same story. And that's the one I now carry.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

29 posted on 12/09/2011 12:09:28 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: MHGinTN; JoeProBono
I see you too have a rubber butt pad

JoeProBono's choice of undergarment is a bit more information than I needed...

30 posted on 12/09/2011 12:25:28 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Joe Brower

Yeah, +p’s in a little gun stings like hell.

Have you tried the Ruger LC9?

I am leaning that way. For now its a S&W 442, but I do not like the trigger


31 posted on 12/09/2011 12:33:57 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All

My fave carry is the CZ 82.

Its small, its potent, its highcap, it has good sights, and it stays on point.

Both the SA and DA triggers are like butter.

I trust my life on it.
But when it is 105 degrees out I admit I carry the S&W 442.
This time of year when I can conceal, I carry the 1911 commander.
Who the fudge needs high cap with that?


32 posted on 12/09/2011 12:41:12 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
The trigger on the Kahr PM series is probably the sweetest I've ever seen on a compact pistol, bar none. Besides its ruggedness, that's one of the main things that sold me on the Kahr.
33 posted on 12/09/2011 12:46:38 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: JoeProBono

I have heard the Kahr guns are good quality but have never fired one. It has been my experience that full sized for caliber, guns are more reliable.

I think the Glock 19 is about as small as a nine should be. The really tiny ones tend to be difficult to shoot, make a lot of noise and are at least a bit less reliable. From reading tests of them, they seem to be about as accurate which might be from careful fitting.

If I were going to get a .380 it would be about the size of the PPK. If I want a really tiny one it would be a TPH. The Browning model 1910 and similar Colt pistols are great designs too.


34 posted on 12/09/2011 12:46:46 PM PST by yarddog
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In the land of heat and sun I dont worry about penetrating heavy clothes.
I am thinking in cold weather that I may replace the 1911 commander with a CZ Rami in S&W40

Does anyone have experience with the 40 cal Rami? Does it recoil like a SOB?


35 posted on 12/09/2011 12:50:05 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JoeProBono

I like that “if I close my eyes I can hit it” look....


36 posted on 12/09/2011 12:51:48 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Joe Brower

Kahr makes a quality product, but I am hearing good things on the LC9 and at $275 I think it is worth a look.


37 posted on 12/09/2011 12:52:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: yarddog

What I have found is that small light weight compacts are very difficult to shoot, They tend to roll in your hand and they recoil like hell.

Many recommend the SW 442 airweight for gals
I’m a guy, and I dont like the punishment it delivers, I also find the trigger to be long and stiff.

I give that 442 to women to shoot and they take one shot, shake their heads and hand it back.*it hurts and its hard to keep on target*
I give them the CZ 82 and they smile.


38 posted on 12/09/2011 1:00:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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CZ 40 S&W Rami

I like the concept and CZ makes a quality gun, but I bet this thing recoils like a SOB

39 posted on 12/09/2011 1:07:38 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

The CZ-82 is a good one, also the various Makarovs.

I once had a TPH in .22lr and it was remarkably accurate for it’s size. Also pleasant to shoot.

When all is said and done, the full sized 1911 and Browning Hi-Power are about as good as it gets. The Browning particularly fits my hand, feels like it was designed just for me.


40 posted on 12/09/2011 1:09:28 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog
Size and weight create trade off situations on recoil and manageability.

The pistol that I like the best is the CZ 75B 40S&W but it is a full sized battlefield pistol, you aren't going you conceal it easily.

Even this fullsize pistol has a hefty recoil , but its a flat peppy hot shooter and it melds to my hand.


41 posted on 12/09/2011 1:17:49 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: yarddog

We just missed a great deal on surplus High power brownings.

Aim had the, even the alloy framed ones for like $450

They are all gone now.


42 posted on 12/09/2011 1:20:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: yarddog

These look decent.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3WALP1&name=German+Walther+P1+9mm+Pistol+with+one+mag&groupid=3


43 posted on 12/09/2011 1:24:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I once had a Walther P-4 which looks just like a P-38 (or P-1) but the slide was totally different inside.

I then had a P-5 which was mechanically similar to the P-4 but had a much more modern look and a barrel which was, I think only 3.5 inches which is too short imo.

I will say the P-5 was a good shooter tho.


44 posted on 12/09/2011 1:30:50 PM PST by yarddog
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To: JoeProBono

Took my PM9 out for a stroll this morning.

Before letting my cats out I like to walk around the place to check for coyote & lion tracks or sign.

Have a few target areas set up and fire off a few rounds as I go just to stay in shape & also to scare the critters away.

When I get to the house the cats are waiting wide-eyed at the door, almost like bird dogs.


45 posted on 12/09/2011 1:41:48 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Monterrosa-24; Joe Brower

Yep, some fine guns (eventually) do need a break-in period, and there is nothing wrong with this, in that it means the owner (or her husband) at least has put a few boxes through it, and will have faith that it will work.

Or, you can just buy a Glock or an Xd, and just know it will work from the first mag loaded.

Don’t take that as a knock against Kahrs, or 1911. They are indeed fine....once broken in.


46 posted on 12/09/2011 1:45:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: yarddog

We all want the luger, but the P38 is a good shooter, if a bit ugly and utilitarian.

$319 is a decent price


47 posted on 12/09/2011 1:52:30 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Ever fired a Kahr MK40? I bet it is worse. At least the polymer frame on the P45 has *some* give. The MK40 just beats the web between your thumb and forefinger.

I’m not sure I’ve ever fired 50 rounds at once. Usually I empty the ready mags (2), one or two sets of reloads, and that’s about it.


48 posted on 12/09/2011 1:56:09 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Joe Brower; Squantos; Lurker; CodeToad; hiredhand; Eaker; humblegunner; Tijeras_Slim
Friday fun thread.

Haven't seen a good gun-porn thread in ages.

We've been slipping.....

49 posted on 12/09/2011 2:07:10 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FreedomPoster
At least the polymer frame on the P45 has *some* give

That's the theory.

Does it work? I don't own any plastic guns.

50 posted on 12/09/2011 2:08:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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