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Breaking: Feds Falsely Censor Popular Blog For Over A Year, Deny All Due Process, Hide All Details
TechDirt.com ^ | 12/08/2011

Posted on 12/11/2011 5:56:42 AM PST by JerseyHighlander

Breaking News: Feds Falsely Censor Popular Blog For Over A Year, Deny All Due Process, Hide All Details...

from the copyright-as-censorship dept

Imagine if the US government, with no notice or warning, raided a small but popular magazine's offices over a Thanksgiving weekend, seized the company's printing presses, and told the world that the magazine was a criminal enterprise with a giant banner on their building. Then imagine that it never arrested anyone, never let a trial happen, and filed everything about the case under seal, not even letting the magazine's lawyers talk to the judge presiding over the case. And it continued to deny any due process at all for over a year, before finally just handing everything back to the magazine and pretending nothing happened. I expect most people would be outraged. I expect that nearly all of you would say that's a classic case of prior restraint, a massive First Amendment violation, and exactly the kind of thing that does not, or should not, happen in the United States.

But, in a story that's been in the making for over a year, and which we're exposing to the public for the first time now, this is exactly the scenario that has played out over the past year -- with the only difference being that, rather than "a printing press" and a "magazine," the story involved "a domain" and a "blog."

There are so many things about this story that are crazy, it's difficult to know where to start, so let's give the most important point first: The US government has effectively admitted that it totally screwed up and falsely seized & censored a non-infringing domain of a popular blog, having falsely claimed that it was taking part in criminal copyright infringement. Then, after trying to hide behind a totally secretive court process with absolutely no due process whatsoever (in fact, not even serving papers on the lawyer for the site or providing timely notifications -- or providing any documents at all), for over a year, the government has finally realized it couldn't hide any more and has given up, and returned the domain name to its original owner. If you ever wanted to understand why ICE's domain seizures violate the law -- and why SOPA and PROTECT IP are almost certainly unconstitutional -- look no further than what happened in this case.



Okay, now some details. First, remember Dajaz1.com? It was one of the sites seized over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend back in 2010 -- a little over a year ago. Those seizures struck us as particularly interesting, because among the sites seized were a bunch of hip hop blogs, including a few that were highly ranked on Vibe's list of the top hip hop blogs. These weren't the kinds of things anyone would expect, when supporters of these domain seizures and laws like SOPA and PROTECT IP talk of "rogue sites." Blogs would have lots of protected speech, and in the hip hop community these blogs, in particular, were like the new radio. Artists routinely leaked their works directly to these sites in order to promote their albums. We even pointed to a few cases of stars like Kanye West and Diddy tweeting links to some of the seized domains in the past.

In fact, as the details came out, it became clear that ICE and the Justice Department were in way over their heads. ICE's "investigation" was done by a technically inept recent college grad, who didn't even seem to understand the basics of the technology. But it didn't stop him from going to a judge and asking for a site to be completely censored with no due process.



The Dajaz1 case became particularly interesting to us, after we saw evidence showing that the songs that ICE used in its affidavit as "evidence" of criminal copyright infringement were songs sent by representatives of the copyright holder with the request that the site publicize the works -- in one case, even coming from a VP at a major music label. Even worse, about the only evidence that ICE had that these songs were infringing was the word of the "VP of Anti-Piracy Legal Affairs for the RIAA," Carlos Linares, who was simply not in a position to know if the songs were infringing or authorized. In fact, one of the songs involved an artist not even represented by an RIAA label, and Linares clearly had absolutely no right to speak on behalf of that artist.

Despite all of this, the government simply seized the domain, put up a big scary warning graphic on the site, suggesting its operators were criminals, and then refused to comment at all about the case. Defenders of the seizures insisted that this was all perfectly legal and nothing to be worried about. They promised us that the government had every right to do this and plenty of additional evidence to back up its claims. They promised us that the government would allow for plenty of due process within a reasonable amount of time. They also insisted that, after hearing nothing happening in the case for many months, it meant that no attempt to object to the seizure had occurred. Turns out... none of that was true.

What happened next is a story that should never happen in the US. It's like something out of Kafka or the movie Brazil, but it should never have happened under the US Constitution. First, you have to understand the two separate processes: there's seizure and then there's forfeiture. Under the seizure laws, the government has 60 days from seizure to "notify" those whose property it seized (imagine having the government swoop in and take away your property, and not even being told why for two whole months). Once notified, the property owner has 35 days to file a claim to request the return of the property. If that doesn't happen, the government can effectively just keep the property, so it tends to rely on intimidation and threats towards anyone who indicates plans to ask for their property back (usually in the form of threatening to file charges). However, if such a claim is filed, the government then has 90 days to start the full "forfeiture" process, which would allow the government to keep the seized property and never have to give it back. If the claim to return the property is filed and the government does not file for forfeiture, it is required to return the property. Thus seizures are supposedly used as a temporary part of the investigation, to stop criminal activity or to prevent the destruction of evidence. However, that's not how things always play out in real life.



As we'd heard with a number of domain names that had been seized, the government began stalling like mad when contacted by representatives for domain holders seeking to get their domains back. ICE even flat out lied to the public, stating that no one was challenging the seizures, when it knew full well that some sites were, in fact, challenging. Out of that came the Rojadirecta case, but what of Dajaz1?

After continuing to stall and refusing to respond to Dajaz1's filing requesting the domain be returned, the government told Dajaz1's lawyer, Andrew P. Bridges, that it would begin forfeiture procedures (as required by law if it wanted to keep the domain). Bridges made clear that Dajaz1 would challenge the forfeiture procedure and seek to get the domain name back at that time. Then, the deadline for the government to file for forfeiture came and went and nothing apparently happened. Absolutely nothing. Bridges contacted the government to ask what was going on, and was told that the government had received an extension from the court. Bridges, quite reasonably, asked how that was possible without him, as counsel for the site, being informed of it or given a chance to make the case for why such an extension was improper.



He also asked for a copy of the the court's order allowing the extension. The government told him no and that the extension was filed under seal and could not be released, even in redacted form.

He asked for the motion papers asking for the extension. The government told him no and that the papers were filed under seal and could not be released, even in redacted form.

He again asked whether he would be notified about further filings for extensions. The government told him no.

He then asked the US attorney to inform the court that, if the government made another request for an extension, the domain owner opposed the extension and would like the opportunity to be heard. The government would not agree.

And file further extensions the government did. Repeatedly. Or, at least that's what Bridges was told. He sent someone to investigate the docket at the court, but the docket itself was secret, meaning there was no record of any of this available.

The government was required to file for forfeiture by May. The initial (supposed) secret extension was until July. Then it got another one that went until September. And then another one until November... or so the government said. When Bridges asked the government for some proof that it had actually obtained the extensions in question, the government attorney told Bridges that he would just have "trust" him.

Finally, the government decided that it would not file a forfeiture complaint -- because there was no probable cause -- and it let the last (supposed) extension expire. Only after Bridges asked again for the status of the domain did the government indicate that it would return the domain to its owner -- something that finally happened today. Dajaz1.com is finally back in the hands of its rightful owner. This is really quite incredible, considering the "rush" with which it seized these domain names, claiming the urgency in stopping a crime in progress. But, of course, after realizing that it had no evidence to suggest a crime was ever in progress - there was absolutely no urgency to correct the error.



The level of secrecy in this case makes it sound like a terrorist investigation, not the censorship of a popular music blog. Normally, when there's a lawsuit, the docket is available on PACER. Even in cases where things are filed under seal or everything is redacted, there's at least a placeholder for them in PACER. This case does not exist anywhere that anyone can find. The docket was apparently kept hidden in a judge's office in Los Angeles the whole time. No one knew this was going on, other than the US Attorney and the representatives of Dajaz1 (who still never saw the docket or the extension orders).

Let's just take stock here for a second. We have the government clearly censoring free speech in the form of a blog that discussed the music world and was widely recognized for its influence in promoting new acts. The government seized the blog with no adversarial hearing and no initial due process. Then, rather than actually provide some sort of belated due process in the form of an adversarial hearing, it continued to deny any and all due process by secretly (even to Dajaz1's own lawyer) extending the seizure without any way to challenge those extensions. All in all, the government completely censored a popular web site for over a year, when it had no real evidence for probable cause of infringement, as it had falsely claimed in the original rubber stamped affidavit. As we noted in reviewing the affidavit, the case had been put together by folks who clearly did not understand the law, the site or the music space. But to then double down on that and continue to hold the domain for a year in secret? That just compounds the error and takes it to new extremes.

This was flat out censorship for no reason, for an entire year, by the US government... Everyone should be horrified by this. It also shows what a joke the claims of supporters are that since "a judge reviewed the affidavit," there's due process. Without the other party, there is no real due process. Not only that, but the government made sure, at every step of the way, that the other party was not heard. That's horrifying. It wasn't just an act of omission in leaving out the party, but actively preventing the party from being heard.

And yet the feds and private companies continue to say we should just "trust them" to get these kinds of things right? Even more bizarre, they want to expand their ability to do this incontestable censorship through laws like PROTECT IP and SOPA? If anything, this massive screwup on the part of ICE, the Justice Department and the RIAA should lead us to go in the other direction. ICE and the DOJ should be investigated and reprimanded, if not directly penalized, for clear First Amendment violations, while the ICE program for seizing domains should be dismantled. John Morton, who led ICE's domain seizure program, should tender his resignation or be fired. Victoria Espinel, the Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator, who defended these seizures to Congress, should issue a public apology, and begin a process to revamp the government's role in such enforcement actions (and consider tendering her resignation as well). The federal government should issue a huge apology to the operators of Dajaz1 and make it clear that it will no longer take such drastic censorship actions. The RIAA should be investigated for providing claims about the site that were not true, and which it had no right to make.

If Congress needs to do anything, it should be to investigate the lawless, unconstitutional, cowboy censorship and blocking of due process by both Homeland Security and the Justice Department. The last thing it should be doing is allowing more such actions. This whole thing has been a disgrace by the US government, starting with a bogus seizure, improper and illegal censorship, followed by denial of due process and unnecessary secrecy. Dajaz1 is currently reviewing its options in terms of whether it can or should take further action as a result of this, but at least it has its domain back. And people wonder why we're so concerned about these seizures and new proposals to further such censorship. Brazil


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KEYWORDS: censorship; coica; dueprocess; gestapo; ice; protectip; sopa
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This is an extremely important development that puts all political orientated blogs at risk of absolutist tyrants in control of the Justice Department.SOPA, PROTECT IP, COICA have been developed specifically to create a legal framework of oppression that will exceed the level of online censorship seen in Iran. FreeRepublic.com could be seized at any point for any reason and disappear for ever under current laws that the whores, both Dem and Rep, in Congress have voted for in return large campaign contributions.

We do not live in the land of the Free and the Brave, and a case like this is the prime example of the permanently lost freedoms of the people of this country.

Put aside your cultural preference regarding the musical genre and art form, the website involved was not the artists, ti was a music industry Public Relations and publicity blog run by a passionate hobbyist follwoing his instinct the market could use a website in that niche.. Sorta describe a certain Mr. Robinson around here.

1 posted on 12/11/2011 5:56:49 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

Look they are selling drugs from that building!

“We need a warrant, we need to read them their rights, we can’t just seize the property without first....”


Look they are playing a Harry Potter movie on that Web Site!

“Crush them — See them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women!”


2 posted on 12/11/2011 6:03:15 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: JerseyHighlander

ping censorship


3 posted on 12/11/2011 6:04:30 AM PST by Jude in WV
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To: JerseyHighlander

Many on FR already suspect we’re on some government list. It’s only going to get worse. The government has grown so big, it thinks it own The People. Sadly, We the People, have blindly given ourselves, body and sould to the government to do with what they wish. It’s only a matter of time when our last freedoms is taken away.

Trust me, I’m from the government and I’m here to help.


4 posted on 12/11/2011 6:07:44 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Yes, big government sucks. It's going to get worse if "The Won" has his way.

That's why we ALL must work to defeat him and get behind the GOP nominee, when "we the people" choose him, not the MSM and RINO cronies.

5 posted on 12/11/2011 6:08:30 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland ( Obama, President of the Democrats and Joe Biden, VP are the top morons of the DNC.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

why is ICE involved in enforcing this?


6 posted on 12/11/2011 6:10:34 AM PST by Jeff Vader
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To: JerseyHighlander

Music Industry part of the top 1%.

Fear of competition from any quarter, elites will use government to stifle upward mobility of anyone who does not march to the establishment’s song.

Status Quo, they like. Stack ‘em and Dispatch ‘em... Agenda 21 version of 1984.

Be Afraid, really afraid. Too many laws and too many SOBs in the Bureaus and Congress.


7 posted on 12/11/2011 6:14:55 AM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: Jim Robinson; Travis McGee; Jack Black

Ping. Huge rights infringement. Until the citizenry is better able to sue gov’t officials *as individuals* for civil rights violations, this sort of nonsense will not stop.


8 posted on 12/11/2011 6:15:17 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: JerseyHighlander
What the heck is ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) doing involved with this? Or is there another ICE out there?
9 posted on 12/11/2011 6:19:24 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: Jeff Vader
why is ICE involved in enforcing this?

Some of the electrons were rumored to have entered the country illegally...

10 posted on 12/11/2011 6:21:59 AM PST by null and void (Day 1055 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes arent made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: JerseyHighlander

This is some pretty heavy ‘stuff’ for a Sunday morning!


11 posted on 12/11/2011 6:22:48 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: icwhatudo
follow the link and go read the complaint

United States District Court - Central District of California Case Number 10-2822M

12 posted on 12/11/2011 6:23:17 AM PST by ptsal
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To: bgill

An ohso familiar bump.


13 posted on 12/11/2011 6:23:27 AM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: JerseyHighlander

Another day in 0bama’s World - this is the what the Fundamentally Transformed America looks like.

The minions of the Benevolent Dictator doing their will.


14 posted on 12/11/2011 6:26:43 AM PST by R0CK3T
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To: JerseyHighlander

Related? ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgxQIo08_gg&feature=related


15 posted on 12/11/2011 6:31:18 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

thanks JerseyHighlander. Zero’s and Holder’s fault.


16 posted on 12/11/2011 6:31:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

ICE wants to have a bigger budget to be able to control you more than the BATFE does.


17 posted on 12/11/2011 6:32:25 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: JerseyHighlander

Shocker

Turns out this was a crazed Muzzy. Listen at the 2:44 mark, “Allahu Akbar”, the guy was shouting out Allahu Akbar.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/12/hollywood-jihad-shootout-gunman-calmly-targeted-drivers-people-shouting-allahu-akbar.html

Los Angeles Daily News
Hollywood gunman shouted: Kill me…I’m gonna die!” before suicide by cop
http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_19515980

None of the following 9 LA Times articles mention anything about his yelling “Allah Akbar”.

Hollywood gunman’s ex-girlfriend: Breakup may have led to shooting
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/central_la/

Hollywood shootout: Gunman reloaded at least once
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/central_la/

Hollywood shootout: Gunman identified as 26-year-old Tyler Brehm
No mention of him yelling “Allah Akbar”.

Hollywood shootout: Man shot in face is music industry executive
No mention of him yelling “Allah Akbar”.

Hollywood shootout: Gunman asked man videotaping for more ammunition
No mention of him yelling “Allah Akbar”.

Hollywood shootout: Motive still unclear, gunman’s name withheld
No mention of him yelling “Allah Akbar”.

Hollywood shootout: LAPD searching homes linked to gunman
No mention of him yelling “Allah Akbar”.

Hollywood shootout: Gunman calmly targeted drivers, pedestrians
No mention of him yelling “Allah Akbar”.

Shootout: ‘I guess this is Hollywood,’ witness says of surreal scene
No mention of him yelling “Allah Akbar”.

Fox News
Suspect Identified in Hollywood Shooting
December 10, 2011
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/10/suspect-identified-in-hollywood-shooting/
Tyler Brehm, 26
One witness, Oscar Herrera, told KABC-TV he heard the gunman yelling “I want to die”.
No mention of the gunman yelling “Allah Akbar”.


18 posted on 12/11/2011 6:36:53 AM PST by Haddit (Heartless)
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To: JerseyHighlander
This was flat out censorship for no reason

I think they are stating this wrong, it was theft of property and if the facts presented in this article are true, a direct violation of the Constitution regarding due process.

19 posted on 12/11/2011 6:38:30 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Internet Censorship and Exclusion

They didn’t even make an attempt at Orwellian doublespeak with this one.


20 posted on 12/11/2011 6:41:58 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Haddit

Crazed Buddhist?


21 posted on 12/11/2011 6:43:58 AM PST by mnehring
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To: bgill

I thought of the same thing.
To Jim Robinson:
Jim, can you tell us how our identifies are protected from government surveillance, especially when we use Credit Cards for our contributions?


22 posted on 12/11/2011 6:45:08 AM PST by BilLies (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!)
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To: Haddit

That’s a very interesting post. I don’t understand what it has to do with the article at hand but it really is very interesting.


23 posted on 12/11/2011 6:45:41 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and everyone that supports him can go blank themselves with a cactus.)
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To: bgill
I have always felt the government keeps its eyes on web sites like FR. They want to know who to zero in on when the time comes. Especially the dimocrats and their leftist commie friends. Every post here goes on to that big google cache in the sky and all are saved to review later. We all know they can track where you are posting from. We call it free speech as long as we are not advocating over throwing the government, under the law we are fine. HOWEVER, when the time comes, they will simply change the laws to be what they want them to be and charge you now for what you said 10 years ago. I don't believe for a minute that America is the same country I was born into over 60 years ago. Not for a minute.
24 posted on 12/11/2011 6:45:57 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: Jeff Vader

The same reason ICE (not yet a totally tarnished acronym) is loaning out drones to domestic SWAT teams.
Following 9/11 America chose to exchange security for freedom. ICE, ATF, FBI, TSA, etc. all are under the umbrella of Homeland Security, /aka/ the new American gestapo.
Just like 1936, most of the worker bees don’t have a clue about the goals of the leadership. The draconian abridgment of the Constitution will be punctuated by the opportunities afforded through crisis, real or manufactured. This is indeed the new face of the Civil Army that Obozo threatened America with when he took office.


25 posted on 12/11/2011 6:48:33 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

The article doesn’t say what court this is in. It refers to a court, a judge, a case and a docket, but no specifics, except the name of one lawyer.

I’d assume it’s in a federal court, but where, in DC/NY/CA? Do you know where is this going on?


26 posted on 12/11/2011 6:49:42 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

International Communist Enforcement...


27 posted on 12/11/2011 6:54:55 AM PST by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I don’t believe for a minute that America is the same country I was born into over 60 years ago. Not for a minute.


Repeat LOUD and OFTEN.............................


28 posted on 12/11/2011 6:55:04 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

After all any “Republican” nominee would never do anything in secret against our Constitution. /sarc

How may “Republicans” in the Senate recently voted against indefinitely holding American citizens by the military? I think that number was a whopping FIVE!

If our Constitution was meant to control government, then government outside of the constitutional controls is an out of control government.

Choose wisely...


29 posted on 12/11/2011 6:55:30 AM PST by born2bfree
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To: JerseyHighlander
This story illustrates what the Founding Fathers knew and tried to block with the Constitution. This is why folks now look at the Constitution and say, "Hey, this can't be all there is to it because it would rule out most of the federal government." The Founding Fathers knew that without strict adherence to the Constitution this would be the result:

The U.S. Federal Government: Public Enemy #1
30 posted on 12/11/2011 6:55:50 AM PST by aruanan
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To: bgill
Sadly, We the People, have blindly given ourselves, body and sould to the government to do with what they wish. It’s only a matter of time when our last freedoms is taken away.

This situation was feared from the very beginning of the Republic: U.S. Federal Government: Public Enemy #1
31 posted on 12/11/2011 7:04:54 AM PST by aruanan
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To: icwhatudo

The American Revolution was fought over abuses that were minor in extent and scope compared to what the U.S. Federal Government imposes each and every day.


32 posted on 12/11/2011 7:07:52 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Haddit

Question: Would somebody named “Tyler” be likely to yell “Allah Akbar”?


33 posted on 12/11/2011 7:09:00 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Jeff Vader
why is ICE involved in enforcing this?

Because it's easier to do this instead of finding terrorists that want to kill us?

34 posted on 12/11/2011 7:09:46 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: JerseyHighlander

This is crony capitalism. This is fascism. This is the face of the Obama regime.


35 posted on 12/11/2011 7:10:38 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

And therein lies one of the problems inherent in our legal system: The court and the prosecution get paid by the same paymaster.

Of course if you go private, the decision risks going in favor of the highest bidder..........so,

it’s a problem


36 posted on 12/11/2011 7:11:02 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: bgill; MurrietaMadman; BilLies; RetiredArmy; aruanan

I make it easy for them and use my real name.

Go ahead and come after me for what I post.


37 posted on 12/11/2011 7:11:23 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: EDINVA
The article doesn’t say what court this is in. It refers to a court, a judge, a case and a docket, but no specifics, except the name of one lawyer. I’d assume it’s in a federal court, but where, in DC/NY/CA? Do you know where is this going on?

Star Chamber.

38 posted on 12/11/2011 7:13:47 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Jeff Vader

ICE had to find some reason to justify it’s existence since it no longer seems to be enforcing immigration laws.


39 posted on 12/11/2011 7:14:55 AM PST by lwd
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To: yldstrk

I think in the old daze that criminal complaints could be brought by private individuals. Not so much now. Of course, selective enforcement is de facto dictatorship.


40 posted on 12/11/2011 7:15:59 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: bgill

F*%# the government!!!


41 posted on 12/11/2011 7:22:59 AM PST by yank in the UK (decapitation before capitulation)
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To: JerseyHighlander

These people obviously are not familiar with how fascism really works. Ironically, most of their users probably voted for it.


42 posted on 12/11/2011 7:23:42 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Paladin2

Oh yes, definitely, I see what you mean by selective enforcement.....


43 posted on 12/11/2011 7:23:42 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: bgill

When people run for office do the have in their platform things like;
I will spend money in the way to best get me re elected
I will tax internet transactions.
I will bail out corporations.
I will bail out banks.
I will attack other nations because i wish to.
I will raise my own pension.
I will increase my own benefits.
I will trade on inside information.
I will work as few days as possible.
Maybe instead of telling us what they will do they should tell us what they won’t do.
I won’t take vacation after vacation on the taxpayers
dime.
I won’t spend more than the government takes in.
You get the idea. Totally and completely out of control over the top royalists living like some 16th century ruling class.


44 posted on 12/11/2011 7:25:36 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: 6SJ7

Maybe more apt under Obama but this is the government. It was here before he came into office and will be here afterwards and its filled with people who believe that they are our masters and whatever they do is justifiable.


45 posted on 12/11/2011 7:29:41 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
This is how firmly Zero's lips are stuck to Hollywood's flaming butt-hole.

Campaign money talks, but only because people are so stupid as to believe mass media content.

46 posted on 12/11/2011 7:30:58 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Democrats are and always have been the Party of the Extremely Rich, the Party of Slavery.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I make it easy for them and use my real name.

Go ahead and come after me for what I post.

Agreed. I dsecided about a year ago to stop hiding behind an alias. Let me be the first to be frog marched by the gestapo. I will be avenged.


47 posted on 12/11/2011 7:33:38 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Government must be taken back from the thieves who have stolen it.)
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To: 6SJ7

What I’m trying to ‘get’ is ... yes, there IS a ‘secret court’ for Homeland Security type issues, and I *think* it’s in the DC Circuit. But in those cases I don’t think a lawyer can send someone down to the courthouse to look up the docket (all of which is online in most federal court cases).


48 posted on 12/11/2011 7:35:41 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: JerseyHighlander

But Shiaweb.org, a Hezbollah terrorist website IP hosted in Houston, is still up.


49 posted on 12/11/2011 7:58:57 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: EDINVA

The United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (or FISC) is a U.S. federal court authorized under 50 U.S.C. § 1803, Pub.L. 95-511, 92 Stat. 1788, enacted October 25, 1978. It was established by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA).


50 posted on 12/11/2011 8:03:54 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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