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My Tim Tebow Problem (Tebow Derangement Syndrome)
The Jewish Week ^ | December 12, 2011 | Rabbi Joshua Hammerman

Posted on 12/14/2011 8:19:33 AM PST by OddLane

I’ve got a Tim Tebow problem.

I want to root for the guy, but I’m afraid of what will happen if the hulky Denver Bronco quarterback continues to pull off what is fast becoming the Greatest Gridiron Story Ever Told. Since taking over as starting quarterback earlier this season, the Heisman winning national champion from the University of Florida has been winning consistently and dramatically, in the final minutes of the game or overtime, relying on powerful legs rather than his infamously erratic arm and confounding skeptical fans along with the Bronco management, who, it is said, were hoping he would fail.

A poster boy of the Christian right, Tebow steadfastly thanks Jesus after every game and, while in college, often inscribed biblical messages on his eye paint. Homeschooled in Florida, this child of missionaries turned down his selection as a Playboy All American because it was, well, Playboy. His trademark prayerful touchdown celebration (imagine Rodin’s “Thinker” on bended knee, or your grandfather davening Tachanun with a football) has become a verb. Google “tebowing” and you’ll find 84 million hits, including lots of YouTube parodies. Tebow’s mother, a Baptist missionary, became comatose during her pregnancy and was saved by drugs that nearly killed the fetus. Doctors anticipated a stillbirth and recommended termination to protect her life, but Tim’s mother refused to abort. Trumpeting that decision, mother and son appeared in commercials for “Focus on the Family” during this past season’s Super Bowl.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion; Sports
KEYWORDS: christophobia; hammerman; joshuahammerman; tebow; thejewishweek; timtebow
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1 posted on 12/14/2011 8:19:37 AM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Related

If Tebow Wins Super Bowl Christians Will Be ‘Burning Mosques, Bashing Gays, Banishing Immigrants’
FoxNation.com ^ | Dec 12 | Joshua Hammerman
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2820232/posts


2 posted on 12/14/2011 8:21:14 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt
I completely overlooked that.

Sorry.

3 posted on 12/14/2011 8:25:15 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: TSgt

related? the stories are identical with different wording

what’s that about?


4 posted on 12/14/2011 8:25:35 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: OddLane
Over here....
 
 

If Tebow Wins Super Bowl Christians Will Be 'Burning Mosques, Bashing Gays, Banishing Immigrants'

Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:36:00 AM · by JesseWatters · 77 replies
FoxNation.com ^ | Dec 12 | Joshua Hammerman

5 posted on 12/14/2011 8:26:46 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: OddLane

WOW! His problem isn’t with Tebow, but with Christianity. And Tebow’s brand of salvation is as available to Jews as to anyone else.

Do they wish to remain Jews? Is that the problem? Who is banishing them from the Jewish community? It is not Christ; it is not Christians. Must be other Jews. After all, a Jew can be an atheist, a pagan, even a Buddhist, and still be considered a Jew. But not a Christian?? How come, I wonder?


6 posted on 12/14/2011 8:28:11 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Responsibility2nd; sten
One is a Fox News article about the Jewish Week column; now I see what the problem was.

I didn't realize that someone posted a link to the entire column later on in the same thread.

7 posted on 12/14/2011 8:30:05 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane
If Tebow wins the Super Bowl, against all odds, it will buoy his faithful, and emboldened faithful can do insane things, like burning mosques, bashing gays and indiscriminately banishing immigrants.

Words fail me
8 posted on 12/14/2011 8:31:03 AM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: OddLane
You're a class A bigot, Rabbi.

Too bad you can't see past your own prejudice to recognize the positive effect someone like TT could have when today's youth sorely need such a role model.

9 posted on 12/14/2011 8:31:32 AM PST by skeeter
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To: OddLane

10 posted on 12/14/2011 8:31:32 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: OddLane

What is it about strong white men of virtue that drives nutters like this... nuts? People of color spew this kind of “certainty” every day and this clown goes off on TT like he is Hitler.


11 posted on 12/14/2011 8:31:49 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: OddLane

Being an outspoken Christian is not new in the NFL. Think Reggie White, Phila, GB, Carolina (last year). Go Pack!


12 posted on 12/14/2011 8:33:14 AM PST by bcsco
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To: OddLane; All

I hadn’t seen the prior article so I appreciate this one, OddLane.


13 posted on 12/14/2011 8:33:55 AM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: dfwgator
LOL.

Yes they are.

14 posted on 12/14/2011 8:34:25 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: TSgt

There are so many flaws in this rabbi’s editorial that I don’t even know where to begin...or end. Tebow is a witness to his Lord. May God continue to bless Him for his faithfulness.


15 posted on 12/14/2011 8:36:39 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: OddLane
No one has mentioned that El Way was on the team again and that he probably is giving lots of advice and coaching as how to handle a new quarterback. Tebow has not won the games. Look at his records. The whole team won the games. The Christaphobic know it alls are the problem.
16 posted on 12/14/2011 8:36:59 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: OddLane

I wouldn’t expecta a gay, communist, fake rabbi to like Tebow.
Get used to drivel like this.


17 posted on 12/14/2011 8:37:38 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: chesley

AMEN!!!!!


18 posted on 12/14/2011 8:37:51 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: OddLane
“Tebow used to wear eye black citing Ephesians 2:8-10, which states, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith (in Jesus).” His avenue to salvation is not available to those Jews who wish to remain Jewish. “

I suppose the good Rabbi discounts those of us who attend Messianic Synagogues every Saturday. At last count there are over 15,000 Jews in Israel who believe that Jesus (Yeshua) is the Messiah. They are still Jews.

19 posted on 12/14/2011 8:41:02 AM PST by SailormanCGA72
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To: OddLane

The author of this piece doesn’t seem very rabbi to me.


20 posted on 12/14/2011 8:50:44 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: OddLane

As with all human beings, we have good and bad. That applies to rabbis too.

Here’s a GOOD rabbi who really gets it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPuUZ821yEI


21 posted on 12/14/2011 8:52:20 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: OddLane
So lemme get this straight. Tebow wins the SB, and Christians everywhere will be moved to kill Jews?

Unless this is satire (poor satire).....I just don't see the connection.

22 posted on 12/14/2011 8:53:32 AM PST by wbill
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To: OddLane

This man is diabolically ignorant. ‘Certainty vs Doubt’, not ‘Good vs. Evil’?

That’s his world view, and maybe the world view of many liberal Jews. It explains a great deal.

It appears he knows little about football, baseball, or religion. I nearly stopped reading until I got to the ‘money’ line in his piece. ‘Certainty vs. Doubt’.

Putatively, Obama’s the man, for the very reason that he obviously doesn’t know what he’s doing, and essentially admits it daily. Moreover, he has an administration equally as ‘doubtful’ upon which to further his legacy.

In the same article he denigrates scientists who question the ‘evidence’ behind global warming, he attacks those who are ‘certain’.

Arrogant and ignorant, which is and always has been, a deadly combination.

What sealed the ignorance thing was this line:

“I saw a divine hand in the equally unbelievable Red Sox victory of 2004.”

Anyone who knows anything about baseball knew that after the Yanks lost that first game, they were out of pitching from there. Even the Yankees knew it. Joe Torre’s book lays it all out.

I can’t for the life of me understand why the Jews hate themselves so, and with such moral certainty (of all things).


23 posted on 12/14/2011 8:57:42 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: chesley

I have a book from the 1970s put out by Jews for Jesus, callled “Jesus for Jews”. It is a collection of testimonies and conversion stories (including Jay Sekulow) and the consistent theme is how they were brought up to hate or fear Christians, how they struggled with faith in Christ while maintaining their Jewish culture and how many were disowned or banished by Jewish family, friends, and neighbors.


24 posted on 12/14/2011 9:04:48 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: OddLane
Absolutely confident that God is on his side, he comes across as a humbler version of the biblical Joseph, who, in this week’s Torah portion, audaciously lays claim to being the Chosen One, and then goes out and proves it. Tebow’s sanctimonious God-talk has led even pious peers like Kurt Warner to suggest that he cool it. Joseph could have used the same coaching.

So this Rabbi thinks that Joseph should have "cooled it"?

Really?

25 posted on 12/14/2011 9:06:16 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: OddLane
Into the middle of it all rides Tebow. Absolutely confident that God is on his side, he comes across as a humbler version of the biblical Joseph, who, in this week’s Torah portion, audaciously lays claim to being the Chosen One, and then goes out and proves it.


26 posted on 12/14/2011 9:07:10 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: SailormanCGA72
Tebow used to wear eye black citing Ephesians 2:8-10, which states, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith (in Jesus).” His avenue to salvation is not available to those Jews who wish to remain Jewish.

If Jesus really is the Messiah then accepting him as such would be the most Jewish thing any Jew could do right.
27 posted on 12/14/2011 9:08:48 AM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: OddLane
relying on powerful legs rather than his infamously erratic arm

Tebow has 11 TD passes and 2 interceptions this season, threw for more than 200 yards each of the last two games and threw 40 passes against the Bears on Sunday. Enjoy that "erratic arm" statement now ... he's getting better every game.

28 posted on 12/14/2011 9:13:42 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: RinaseaofDs
What sealed the ignorance thing was this line:

"I saw a divine hand in the equally unbelievable Red Sox victory of 2004.”

I was going to post about the very same line . . .

Dave Roberts was going to steal second base. Everyone at Fenway knew it. Everyone who was tuned into the game on television, radio, or the interwebs knew it. And he beat the throw by the barest of margins because that's what Dave Roberts did best: steal bases.

God blessed Dave with his athletic talents, his drive, etc., etc., but God had no skin in that 2004 ACLS game whatsoever. Whoever finds something divine in athletic event is silly.

Did God really have it in for the Yanks, or did he really, really, REALLY want morons like Manny, Damon, and KFC Millar to win it? Really, don't you think God has bigger fish to fry?

29 posted on 12/14/2011 9:16:18 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Pan_Yan
Enjoy that "erratic arm" statement now ... he's getting better every game.

Let's see what he can do against the Patriots' god-awful secondary. Maybe Edelman will get his first pick as a nickleback.

30 posted on 12/14/2011 9:17:45 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Let's see what he can do against the Patriots' god-awful secondary.

I don't have any idea what's going to happen in the Broncos/Patriots game but I know I want to be watching when it does.

31 posted on 12/14/2011 9:20:50 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: mountainlion
Tebow has not won the games.

Watch this 95 yard drive in last 6 minutes against the Jets ....it was all Tebow

Tebow Time

32 posted on 12/14/2011 9:22:38 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: reaganaut

Is that by Ruth Rosen?


33 posted on 12/14/2011 9:29:45 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: OddLane

The funniest line I have heard about this guy is:

“I have not heard so much about a white Bronco since the OJ trial”


34 posted on 12/14/2011 9:31:05 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: junta

Basically the rabbi is saying he knows the truth and disputes TT’s version, but he is putting it in the language of the twentieth century secular ideological mumbo jumbo of all white men are potential nazis unless they are complete degenerates or sychophants to an ideological cult. Personally I can accept a truce on “End Times” theology and ideology.


35 posted on 12/14/2011 9:31:11 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: OddLane

The rabbi is faithless. May Almighty God remove the veil from his heart.


36 posted on 12/14/2011 9:38:56 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: OddLane
Be sure to read all of the comments following the article - they're outstanding.

Don't know if the Broncos have much chance of winning the Super Bowl, but it would definitely be fun to watch if they did (unless they play the Giants, that is!).

37 posted on 12/14/2011 9:48:03 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: chesley

Yeah, that’s the one.


38 posted on 12/14/2011 9:49:52 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Watch this 95 yard drive in last 6 minutes against the Jets ....it was all Tebow

Tebow was only caught about 3 times in the first three quarters. Everyone was dropping the balls. The last quarter they started catching the ball. It really depends on your point of view. Some could say the punter won the last two games. It was a group effort. I do like Tebow though.

39 posted on 12/14/2011 10:32:17 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: reaganaut

After I rread your post, I looked it up on Amazon. I might be interested in getting a copy. I’m assuming that you recommend it, but I’d like to be sure.

Thanks.


40 posted on 12/14/2011 10:36:17 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: OddLane
Apparently the bit in the original published article that was or contained the following has now been excised from the on-line content.

"If Tebow wins the Super Bowl, against all odds, it will buoy his faithful, and emboldened faithful can do insane things, like burning mosques, bashing gays and indiscriminately banishing immigrants."

I find this fascinating in a horrid fashion, like watching a bad NASCAR wreck. The idea that this was written seriously demonstrates that fanaticism and idiocy are universal.

41 posted on 12/14/2011 10:42:39 AM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existance!)
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To: chesley

I liked it. It was interesting, having grown up in a Jewish community but not a Jewish family, to see the clash between faith and cultural identity.


42 posted on 12/14/2011 10:45:10 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: OddLane

This CLOWN is as much of a “Rabbi” as Caiaphas was a “High Priest”.


43 posted on 12/14/2011 10:45:40 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: mountainlion
Tebow was only caught about 3 times in the first three quarters. Everyone was dropping the balls. The last quarter they started catching the ball.

That was last Sunday's game against the Bears. ... where the field goal kicker saved the day.....Tebow executed key plays in the clutch to set up the two 50+ FG's ....one in OT....it was miraculous....marred by lot's of dropped Tebow passes in the first three quarters.

44 posted on 12/14/2011 10:48:28 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: Sicon
I'm still pulling for them, even if they drive me absolutely batty in December.


45 posted on 12/14/2011 10:50:01 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
He is off to a better start than John Elway. I think there will be many exciting seasons ahead. The last game was all I could watch as the government took away TV reception. I may break down and get satellite.
46 posted on 12/14/2011 10:53:07 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: reaganaut

Well, thanks then. :)

And Merry Christmas


47 posted on 12/14/2011 12:04:04 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan; Pan_Yan; chesley
Counterpoint
48 posted on 12/14/2011 12:21:09 PM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: chesley

Merry Christmas to you as well. :)


49 posted on 12/14/2011 12:21:09 PM PST by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' - except on Fox News)
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To: OddLane
A interesting reply.

As a rule I am a big fan of the Jewish people. I don't like secular Jews anymore than I like secular WASPs, but that's not because they are Jews.

About the only specific complaint I have is the idea that Christians shouldn't witness to Jews. Christians, in obeying Christ, MUST witness to ALL the world.

If a Jew, or anybody, is so insecure in their faith that they can't politely tell the Christian to take a hike if they don't want to hear what he has to say, is that the Christian's fault?

50 posted on 12/14/2011 1:09:36 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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