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UK police seize computers of skeptic blogger in England
Watts Up With That ^ | 12-14-2011 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 12/14/2011 5:48:25 PM PST by steveab

UK police seize computers of skeptic blogger in England Posted on December 14, 2011 by Anthony Watts The first blogger to break the Climategate2 story has had a visit from the police and has had his computers seized. Tallbloke’s Talkshop first reported on CG2 due to the timing of the release being overnight in the USA. Today he was raided by six UK police (Norfolk Constabulary and Metropolitan police) and several of his computers were seized as evidence. He writes:

After surveying my ancient stack of Sun Sparcstations and PII 400 pc’s, they ended up settling for two laptops and an adsl broadband router. I’m blogging this post via my mobile.

That means his cellphone. In his blog report are all the details. including actions in the US involving WordPress and the US Department of Justice. Jeff Id at The Air Vent also has a report here.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Science
KEYWORDS: blogging; climatechange; climategate; climategate2; corruption; freespeech; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; political
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What's in that Military funding Bill. Something about language the government doesn't approve of?
1 posted on 12/14/2011 5:48:30 PM PST by steveab
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To: steveab; steelyourfaith; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Not a good sign.


2 posted on 12/14/2011 5:50:54 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: steveab

That climate bs was easier and cheaper to implement than running drugs. The gov’t is trying to go legit.


3 posted on 12/14/2011 5:52:43 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: steveab
After surveying my ancient stack of Sun Sparcstations and PII 400 pc’s, they ended up settling for two laptops and an adsl broadband router. I’m blogging this post via my mobile.

LOL ... "I'm in solitary ... just a man and his thoughts ..."

4 posted on 12/14/2011 6:00:26 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: steveab

no first amendment in the UK, and thanks to McCain/Feingold the beginning of the end of it here too


5 posted on 12/14/2011 6:00:38 PM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: steveab

Climategate2 story ? What’s next Star Trek bloggers ?


6 posted on 12/14/2011 6:01:21 PM PST by molson209
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To: steveab
The ClimateGate 2 file was initially sent anonymously from the cloud to WordPress.com

not the blogger. The blogger was simply the first one to report the existence of the CG2 file.

Furthermore, he had received a message the requested that he retain all his information and to “I not disclose the existence of this request...” (see http://noconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/wordpress-preservation-request-1.pdf)

7 posted on 12/14/2011 6:21:01 PM PST by kidd
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Thanks steveab.


8 posted on 12/14/2011 6:31:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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Thanx for the ping dynachrome !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

9 posted on 12/14/2011 6:51:10 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Danke


10 posted on 12/14/2011 7:05:22 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Danke


11 posted on 12/14/2011 7:05:36 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: dynachrome

Where the UK goes the US soon follows.


12 posted on 12/14/2011 7:09:07 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: steveab

The police sounded like they were pretty tech savvy. He should have tried to hide a toaster and see if they would have seized that also. Something like, “don’t touch that radiant wave broadband router there, it’s very delicate and shouldn’t be moved”.


13 posted on 12/14/2011 7:35:36 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: dynachrome; TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Lancey Howard; ..
Thanks for the ping!

JoNova has something on this also.

Tallbloke’s computer siezed, Jeff ID threatened in Climategate retaliation: It’s intimidation

14 posted on 12/14/2011 9:35:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: steveab

Blogging in defiance of the Empire!


15 posted on 12/14/2011 9:36:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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From a note in the comments....Jeff ID of the Air Vent:

Crackdown – Shooting in the Dark

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Posted by Jeff Id on December 14, 2011

It seems that the world governments are escalating cliamtegate to the next level.   Tallbloke a fellow recipient blog of the climategate emails, and linked on the right, was raided today in what seems to be a coordinated effort by Metropolitan Police, the Norfolk Constabulary and the Computer Crime division and the U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division.  His home was raided and computers were taken for ‘examination’.

Updates are coming shortly which will explain further.  The same is coming to a blogger near you.

Perhaps this post should be titled  -  “The Empire Strikes Back”


16 posted on 12/14/2011 9:49:39 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
From Climate audit:

Police Raid on Tall Bloke

17 posted on 12/14/2011 9:53:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Tall Bloke reports that he was raided by UK police and his computers seized. Read his blog post for further details, including actions in the US involving WordPress. Also see Jeff Id here. It is not a coincidence that this story is reported first on these three blogs.

In an unrelated story, according to Richard Tol, IPCC has told its WG2 scientists that they are above the law on freedom of information.

Like this:

One blogger likes this post.
  • ntesdorf
This entry was written by Steve McIntyre, posted on Dec 14, 2011 at 7:17 PM

18 posted on 12/14/2011 9:55:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: steveab

So apparently this is the new whistle blower law. Seize the computers of anyone who helps the whistle blower.


19 posted on 12/14/2011 9:58:08 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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Apparently the US DOJ is also involved doing somme things over here...see my posts kust above.


20 posted on 12/14/2011 10:11:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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From the comments at WUWT:

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Noblesse Oblige says:

December 14, 2011 at 5:00 pm

Rest easy: This is mostly for show to demonstrate that the gov takes the leaks seriously. But in reality they do not really want to apprehend the culprit(s) because they would need to charge them with some crime or other. This would likely produce a ‘trial of the century’ in which the defendant would be branded as the worst criminal since (fill in the blank), while being hailed as hero by skeptics aroudn the world. Famous lawyers would rush to be chosen to defend the case. And here is the rub: The media would be forced to cover the case, and this is the last thing the gov wants.

21 posted on 12/14/2011 10:14:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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More:

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davidmhoffer says:

December 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm

Seems like a “show” to me. They are under pressure to investigate, and so their doing something to show their bosses that….they’re doing something.

There’s a couple of possibilities I suppose. They could suspect that Tallbloke is liberator of the CG2 emails, and they want to see if there is any evidence to that effect on his computers. Of course, anyone bright enough to liberate that many emails over that period of time and get them onto multiple blogs from a server in Russia that can’t be traced any further backward to the source, ought to be bright enough to not leave the evidence in their home laptop.

I don’t know what the law is in the UK regarding this, but I for one would have refused to allow access to my computers until I had taken a complete image of all drives and copied them to backup media under the supervision of a legal representative who would then sequester the backup copy for future reference. If the investigation turns up something “incriminating”, I’d then have the backup copy in my lawyer’s vault to refer to and ensure nothing had been changed on my computer after it left my possession.

Three years ago I would have poo poo’d the need to do something like that in regard to an investigation by a 1st world police force. Now, I’m not so certain.

22 posted on 12/14/2011 10:15:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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More:

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tallbloke says:

December 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm

They were polite and promised to return the kit after cloning the disks.
They say I am not a suspect for any crime.

23 posted on 12/14/2011 10:19:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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More from WUWT Comments:

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danj says:

December 14, 2011 at 5:36 pm

The DOJ, huh? I guess between lamely trying to cover their exposed tails in the “Fast and Furious” debacle and trying to prevent various states from enforcing their state laws to stem illegal immigration (which Holder’s DOJ champions) they have enough time to mess with wordpress and skeptical bloggers to attempt to give comfort to the bruised egos of The Team. I think I’ll throw up…

24 posted on 12/14/2011 10:28:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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From the comments:

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pat says:

December 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm

Tallbloke –
concerned for you, but wonder about the legality of the police action.

14 Dec: ScienceMag: Ralph Hall ( (R-TX) Speaks Out on Climate Change
by Jeffrey Mervis
The chair of the House of Representatives science committee doesn’t think much of the investigations exonerating the scientists involved in the 2009 Climategate e-mail scandal. He also believes that climate scientists are driven by hopes of financial gain in producing reports that provide evidence for global warming…
Ralph Hall in a statement to ScienceInsider expanding on his comments to the NJ: …
Recently released emails highlight many of the same concerns that initially emerged in the 2009 ‘ClimateGate’ emails – a small cadre of scientists coordinating advocacy rather than communicating uncertainty; manipulating journals rather than facilitating peer review; and cherry-picking data rather than following transparency principles, which is a central tenant (sic) of science. While several groups have investigated the actions associated with the ClimateGate emails, these straw-man reviews failed to address the real underlying allegations that continue to undermine the integrity of those involved…
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/12/ralph-hall-speaks-out-on-climate.html

25 posted on 12/14/2011 10:40:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks Ernest. I signed in for a quickie to see your ping. Tis late at my end. I will check it out and bookmark if appropriate. Do have a great upcoming day.


26 posted on 12/14/2011 10:53:03 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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Just saw this in the comments:

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davidmhoffer says:

December 14, 2011 at 7:42 pm

Robert E. Phelan says:
December 14, 2011 at 7:24 pm
My guess? Look at the date on the letter, the letterhead, and the date of the “raid” on Tallbloke. This thing is originating here and the Brits were responding to a US request.>>>

You’re right, it says Dec 9th. But it is addressed to the company that owns WordPress, directing them to preserve info regarding three blogs hosted by WordPress. Now, was that because of an investigation initiated in the United States? I sort of doubt it because there’s no crime (theoretical or otherwise) to investigate in the US in the first place. My guess would be that the investigation began in the UK, and that someone there asked the US DOJ to assist in securing information that may be relevant on the WordPress servers. If there are any electronic fingerprints to be had at all, the WordPress servers would be pretty much the first place to look, and my guess is that the DOJ is just doing as asked.


27 posted on 12/14/2011 10:55:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Backtracking:

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Robert E. Phelan says:

December 14, 2011 at 7:24 pm

My guess? Look at the date on the letter, the letterhead, and the date of the “raid” on Tallbloke. This thing is originating here and the Brits were responding to a US request.

28 posted on 12/14/2011 10:57:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have decided to bookmark a number of the URL’s and save them into a new folder for future analysis. Thanks again E..


29 posted on 12/14/2011 10:58:51 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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I quickly bookmarked some of the URL's then read some of the entries at Whats UP With That.
IMHO. I don't see anything happening to the still encrypted stuff that will eventually be disclosed. This guy would have put the stuff on thumb nail drives, given it to others, etc..
30 posted on 12/14/2011 11:06:39 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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From Air Vent

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UPDATE: Tallbloke and I both received the following notification from the U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division and forwarded by Ryan at WordPress.  ClimateAudit is also mentioned yet I’m not certain that Steve Received notice.  It seems that the larger paid blogs may not have received any notice.  On pdf -WordPress Preservation Request-1

U.S. Department of Justice
Criminal Division
1301 New York Avenue, NW, 6th floor
Washington, DC 20005
PHONE: 202-353-2854
FAX: 202-514-6113
December 9, 2011
VIA ELECTRONIC MAIL

Automattic Inc.
60 29th Street #343
San Francisco, CA 94110
Attn: law-enforcement@wordpress.com
Re: Request for Preservation of Records
Dear Automattic Inc.:
Pursuant to Title 18, United States Code, Section 2703(f), this letter is a formal request for the preservation of all stored communications, records, and other evidence in your possession
regarding the following domain name(s) pending further legal process: http://tallbloke.wordpress.com, http://noconsensus.wordpress.com, and http://climateaudit.org (“the Accounts”) from 00:01 GMT Monday 21 November 2011 to 23:59 GMT Wednesday 23 November 2011.

I request that you not disclose the existence of this request to the subscriber or any other person, other than as necessary to comply with this request. If compliance with this request might result in a permanent or temporary termination of service to the Accounts, or otherwise alert any user of the Accounts as to your actions to preserve the information described below, please contact me as soon as possible and before taking action.

READ THE LINK ABOVE FOR THE REST


31 posted on 12/14/2011 11:08:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Marine_Uncle
This started in the US DOJ....

See just above.

Wonder why they didn't go after WUWT....

Maybe laws are more lax in the UK.

Time to hit the rack here,...

32 posted on 12/14/2011 11:12:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This started in the JS DOJ....see my notes just above.


33 posted on 12/14/2011 11:14:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

TYPO correction.

JS DOJ..====US DOJ...


34 posted on 12/14/2011 11:15:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: steveab

Very bad. BTTT. Will bounce tomorrow.


35 posted on 12/14/2011 11:25:27 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Where the UK goes the US soon follows.

I don't know. The US may be the ones on a fishing exhibition from the Norfolk Police Department. This would be per the orders of Michael Mann at Penn State University.
36 posted on 12/14/2011 11:28:11 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer; Jack Hydrazine

See my post at #31.


37 posted on 12/14/2011 11:32:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All

Nite!


38 posted on 12/14/2011 11:34:45 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I request that you not disclose the existence of this request to the subscriber or any other person, other than as necessary to comply with this request. If compliance with this request might result in a permanent or temporary termination of service to the Accounts, or otherwise alert any user of the Accounts as to your actions to preserve the information described below, please contact me as soon as possible and before taking action.

Michael Mann and Durbin. December 9th. Time to spread this throughout the internet.
39 posted on 12/14/2011 11:37:45 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
How interesting:

Kendra Ervin

Williams & Connolly

Beyond litigation, the firm also assists companies, chief executives, authors, news correspondents, and sports figures in transactional matters. In recent years, the firm has represented President Obama; former President Clinton; former President George W. Bush; Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton; former British Prime Minister Tony Blair; the late Senator Ted Kennedy; former Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan; First Lady Michelle Obama; NBC news anchor Brian Williams; and NBA players Grant Hill, Tim Duncan, Ray Allen, and Shane Battier.

Yeah. It is corruption strait to the top.
40 posted on 12/14/2011 11:43:27 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

Boy does that law firm know how to pick some wieners. Do they realize that the more they press, the closer the encryption key comes to release ? If they just let it go, according to history, the key wont be released until just before the next big Fascist Conference from the UN.


41 posted on 12/15/2011 12:26:58 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So the KGB, errrrr DOJ are in on it....


42 posted on 12/15/2011 1:41:37 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: steveab

Very important BTTT.


43 posted on 12/15/2011 2:35:59 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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From WUWT....by Anthony:

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UPDATE2: 12/15/9AM It seems that the story has gone viral on blogs. Four skeptic blogs are in the top ten of all WordPress blogs today. While I’ve seen 2 at a time on CG1 and CG2, four has never happened before. This is from my wordpress.com dashboard:

44 posted on 12/15/2011 2:51:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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So, was he raided due to something related to the actual hacking, or was he raided due to a violation of Global Warming orthodoxy?

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45 posted on 12/15/2011 2:59:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Continued from post #44:

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From top to bottom, WUWT, The Air Vent, Tallbloke’s Talkshop, Climate Audit.

UPDATE3: Delingpole in the Telegraph thinks its going to escalate

UPDATE4: Horner in The Washington Examiner weighs in

UPDATE5: The Guardian picks up on the story here

UPDATE6: Jo Nova suggests it is a form of intimidation

UPDATE7: Josh weighs in with two cartoons

UPDATE8: Greg Laden on Scienceblogs accuses Tallbloke of being a “criminal” – a claim really over the line and over the top. Of course, after reading the rant of hate this man has for anyone not like him, especially Americans in some states, I suppose it’s just another day for him.

46 posted on 12/15/2011 3:01:32 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; America_Right; ...

See No. 45.

GLOBAL WARMING PING!


47 posted on 12/15/2011 3:02:26 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: steveab

This is what happens to you if you violate teh left-wing orthodoxy.


48 posted on 12/15/2011 10:06:13 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: steveab

The GlobalWarmists are powerful.

A ton of money has flowed over the years for research to support the AGW argument. Practically no government money has been spent on opposing research.

Careers in science and government have been built around the AGW myth. This has gone on for about thirty years, so it is fully incorporated into government, journalism, “science”, “scientific” journalism, academia.

If not for the internet, they would have succeeded in steamrolling all of the western governments into submitting to UN control, a huge “spread the wealth” scam, and the socialist’s dream of government running industry.

So now, when they feel threatened by the sources on the internet, they are out to silence them, either by legal action or by intimidation. To them, it’s a matter of survival.

I’m sure they have visions of a rapidly shrinking empire as AGW skepticism has increased. How can climatologists pay for all their glorious research, all of the field instruments, the lab work, the computer modeling, the flitting about the globe to attend various conferences. And kiss all of those awards goodbye. All of that recognition. Those honoraria for speaking engagements.

They’ll have to give up their prime offices, fire their large staffs, and move back into a janitor’s closet. At parties, when they tell people they are climatologists, it will just elicit yawns.


49 posted on 12/16/2011 5:08:00 AM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bttt


50 posted on 12/16/2011 5:38:34 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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