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Young admirer defies father to attend Worcester firefighter’s wake
Boston Herald ^ | December 15, 2011 | Richard Weir

Posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:13 AM PST by ConservativeStatement

He was under strict orders not to leave the house after school. But 11-year-old Jared Flanders neatly knotted his tie, climbed on his bike and went to pay his last respects to fallen Worcester firefighter Jon Davies at a funeral home down the street yesterday.

Jared didn’t know the hero jake who died after rushing into a blazing triple-decker last week. Yet, the boy’s kind-hearted salute lifted the spirits of firefighters attending Davies’ wake.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonherald.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: boy; davies; firemen; flanders; worcester
This is an endearing article.
1 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:23 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

The father is an idiot and should be called out. Let the rest of the community know what an moron he is.


2 posted on 12/15/2011 8:35:13 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SkyDancer

I wouldn’t do that without knowing the reason for the rule in the first place. Lord knows I was “grounded” - and deserved to be - a few times when I was 11.


3 posted on 12/15/2011 8:37:58 AM PST by I Shall Endure
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To: SkyDancer

Nothing in the article supports your characterization of the boy’s father.


4 posted on 12/15/2011 8:43:28 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: SkyDancer

sooo... the kid was grounded, in other words, being punished, he defies his parents, and you call the father an idiot????? do you support liberal judges that let criminals go too?????


5 posted on 12/15/2011 8:46:07 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: joe fonebone

You missed the whole point of the story. A father prohibits his son from attending the funeral of a fire fighter. Yes. The father was an idiot!


6 posted on 12/15/2011 8:48:39 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Mr. Lucky

Really? Please explain to me why the father was right in not allowing his son to attend the funeral of a fire fighter who was killed in the line of duty.


7 posted on 12/15/2011 8:50:19 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SkyDancer

we must not have read the same story.... nowhere in the story I read did it say the father grounded him with the purpose of not attending the funeral. He was grounded. That is all the article says. As such, I have to back the parents here ( I would assume that if the kid asked, he may have been given permission, he may not have, he was being punished for something )...nowhere in the article does it say the kid asked his parents if he could go....


8 posted on 12/15/2011 8:54:51 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SkyDancer
You missed the whole point. The eleven year old dis-obeyed his father. You thinks it's ok because you like the boy's reason.

The fact is that it is none of your business what the father's reasons were. He doesn't even have to have one.

You are sounding more like michelle obama then a conservative on this.

9 posted on 12/15/2011 8:55:16 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: SkyDancer

The boy had been grounded for behavior which was not revealved in the story. The story did reveal that the boy would not be punished for attending the firefighter’s funeral.


10 posted on 12/15/2011 8:56:29 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: SkyDancer

The article doesn’t say that he was prohibited from attending the funeral.

“He was under strict orders not to leave the house after school.”

“Do not leave this house after school” is not the same parental edict as “Do not attend a firefighter’s funeral.”

We don’t know what the eleven-year-old did (if anything) to prompt the father to give the edict to not leave the house after school.


11 posted on 12/15/2011 8:57:23 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: SkyDancer
A father prohibits his son from attending the funeral of a fire fighter. Yes. The father was an idiot!

You seem to be making the assumption that he was specifically ground so he could not attend this funeral. I don't see that in the article and the following makes me believe he was grounded for other reasons.

We were talking about how even though what he had done was very nice, we’re trying to go back over the rules that he wasn’t supposed to leave the house. But it’s very touching that he would go and do that for someone.

“He has such a big heart.”

In your home, if your kids were grounded for other reasons, would it be okay to leave the house, without your knowlege or discussing the issue with you first?

12 posted on 12/15/2011 8:57:23 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: moose-matson

Your response is truly unbelievable. And to equate me to Michelle Obama is bordering on insult.


13 posted on 12/15/2011 8:59:34 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: joe fonebone

Does it say he was grounded or just that, like most eleven year old latchkey kids, he was forbidden to leave until his parent(s) got home?


14 posted on 12/15/2011 8:59:46 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: SkyDancer

Hey, you profess that the kid’s dad is a jerk and that you know what’s better for the kid.....just like michelle. So, if the shoe fits.....


15 posted on 12/15/2011 9:01:36 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Then why tie the article to the boy attending the funeral?


16 posted on 12/15/2011 9:01:52 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Altariel

Then why tie the article to the boy attending the funeral?


17 posted on 12/15/2011 9:02:26 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: thackney

What do you think his father’s first thought was when a cop answered his cell phone?


18 posted on 12/15/2011 9:02:46 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: thackney

Then why tie the article to the boy attending the funeral?


19 posted on 12/15/2011 9:02:58 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Altariel
We don’t know what the eleven-year-old did (if anything) to prompt the father to give the edict to not leave the house after school.

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My guess is that the boy is a latch-key kid and his parents want to keep him as safe as they can....so no leaving the house.

20 posted on 12/15/2011 9:03:41 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: moose-matson

Then why tie the article to the boy attending the funeral?


21 posted on 12/15/2011 9:03:51 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SkyDancer
Why? The boy’s dad, Gene Flanders, 45, said last night his son broke the rules by leaving the house, but he can’t punish him now:
22 posted on 12/15/2011 9:04:14 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: SkyDancer
Then why tie the article to the boy attending the funeral?

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Here's a wild guess.....

Because that's where he went.

23 posted on 12/15/2011 9:05:19 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: SkyDancer

Nobody has called for a vote on this yet, but if there were a poll I’d vote “you are wrong.”


24 posted on 12/15/2011 9:07:50 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (To Obama, bipartisanship is giving the opposition the opportunity to do as they are told. (WGensert))
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To: moose-matson

Well ya - so the father was a jerk as I said. It would be one thing if the kid went to some wild party but instead he went to the funeral of a fire fighter who died in the line of duty. The father is a jerk as I said.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 9:08:20 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SkyDancer

Because the boy did leave the house, in defiance of his father’s instructions. That is why both facts are tied together.

Fact #1: The boy attended a fire fighter’s funeral to pay his respects. This would have been (unequivocally) a good thing, except that Fact #1 is tied to fact #2.

Fact #2: The boy defied his father’s instructions about not leaving the home (without asking permission to attend the funeral) in order to attend the funeral.


26 posted on 12/15/2011 9:09:19 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: SkyDancer
Then why tie the article to the boy attending the funeral?

??? Because that is what he did. That IS the story, it isn't tied to the story.

You are projecting another part to the story that is not stated or alluded to in any way.

27 posted on 12/15/2011 9:11:09 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SkyDancer

So, the father is a “jerk” only because you find the son’s disobedience acceptable in this instance?

That’s the reasoning of a child.


28 posted on 12/15/2011 9:12:39 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: massgopguy
What do you think his father’s first thought was when a cop answered his cell phone?

I have an 11 year old, but she doesn't have her own cell phone. If I called the house to check on her while she was grounded and should have arrived home from school alone, it would be moment of terror.

29 posted on 12/15/2011 9:16:03 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SkyDancer
Well ya - so the father was a jerk as I said. It would be one thing if the kid went to some wild party but instead he went to the funeral of a fire fighter who died in the line of duty.

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Thank you michelle.

30 posted on 12/15/2011 9:23:20 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: moose-matson

This is one funny thread. First, we don’t know why the boy was not to leave the house. Nothing in the story indicates in any way the father knew of the funeral and the son’s intenetion to go to it. In fact, based on the dad’s reaction, it was clear he did not know the son intended to go to the funeral. Second, the story is about a young boy who cared enough about a stranger to break a rule and go pay his respects. The story is about the heart of the boy, not the rule he broke. Finally, if anyone here has somehow deduced that the father is a jerk, then they have not read nor understood the story. How is it that a boy could be raises with such moral courage and a big heart, and be raised by a “jerk.” That is completely inconsistent with the actions of the boy, and the further understanding of the father.


31 posted on 12/15/2011 9:31:40 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: moose-matson

Okay, you’re right. Father was right. Son was wrong. Great role model for the kid.


32 posted on 12/15/2011 9:40:25 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Altariel

Okay, you’re right. Father right. Son wrong. Great role model for the kid.


33 posted on 12/15/2011 9:41:21 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Altariel

Again. You’re right. Father right. Son wrong. Great role model for the kid.


34 posted on 12/15/2011 9:42:29 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SkyDancer
The boy was grounded, but the father didn't punish him for attending the funeral; which, of course, means that the father did allow him to attend.

More significant is why you would arrogate to yourself the authority anonymously to "call out" a father for maintaining discipline over his child.

35 posted on 12/15/2011 10:22:52 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Didn’t. So okay, you’re right. The father was right. The kid was wrong. Great role model teaching from the father.


36 posted on 12/15/2011 10:27:23 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: ConservativeStatement
Wow, I'm with you, this is an endearing article!

My daughter, when she got home from school and I wasn't there, had to check in and let me know she was home. And, on most days, she was not to go anywhere until I got home. She wasn't in trouble and she never thought she was. For us it was a matter of safety and if she was going anywhere I wanted to know who was picking her up, what time, etc.

This young man must have some pretty wonderful parents to raise a boy with such a big kind heart. And smart!!! He knows how to tie a tie from a book? And how to fly a helicopter? Wow! Sure beats spending his time with a video game!

Power to the parents, and thanks for posting.

37 posted on 12/15/2011 10:40:30 AM PST by GizzyGirl
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Okay, you’re right. Father was right. Son was wrong. Great role model for the kid.

You are demonstrating a complete failure to apply logic of reason. The father is right. That is an assumption based on no information. He gets the benefit of the doubt because a rule require a latch key kid to stay home makes perfect sense. The kid was wrong to disobey his father and leave the house. Where he went is irrelevant. You are having an emotional reaction to ‘where’ and using that to judge the situation. If he had been hit by a car on the way to the funeral you might agree that he should not have disobeyed his father.

What if a parent told a 5 year old to not run out in the street but then they ran out in the street to save a puppy from getting run over? Does that make the parent a jerk? Does that make the parent ‘wrong’ for setting the rule? No, the rule was perfectly fine. Not everything is as black and white as you are making it.

What if the kid stole a car to go visit some old folks in a nursing home? Does that mean whoever told him to not steal cars was a jerk?

Try to apply some logic to your posts and refrain from insulting someone you don’t know based only on a newspaper article.
38 posted on 12/15/2011 12:03:57 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

Every time I have some faith in the intelligence of people I get an argument like yours. Thanks for the reply.


39 posted on 12/15/2011 12:18:36 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: SkyDancer

This year my son takes the bus home from school. I was nervous about him coming home to an empty house, but it has worked out well. His grades have gone up. Once he gets home, the rule is don’t leave the house, because we live off a busy road. Plus, he has homework which needs to get done before soccer. He calls me at work when he gets home, as he did on this day. He mentioned the helicopters flying over the house for the funeral on that busy road a quarter-mile away. I didn’t know he was going to pay his respects for the firefighter, but I know why he did. His half-brother had committed suicide after coming home from Iraq in August and we had just flown back from that service. It was still on his mind.


40 posted on 03/03/2012 3:41:09 PM PST by Jareds Father
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To: Jareds Father

Thank you for clearing that up. Best Regards, Janey


41 posted on 03/03/2012 4:23:33 PM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: Jareds Father

I couldn’t read the whole article as it has been archived.
Just wanted to say that your Jared sounds like a good kid. Good job, Jareds Father.


42 posted on 03/03/2012 4:40:29 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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