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A Vandalized Valley (VDH nails it)
National Review ^ | 12/21/2012 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/21/2011 5:47:29 AM PST by GlockThe Vote

While the elites make excuses, citizens cope with theft and destruction.

I am starting to feel as if I am living in a Vandal state, perhaps on the frontier near Carthage around a.d. 530, or in a beleaguered Rome in 455. Here are some updates from the rural area surrounding my farm, taken from about a 30-mile radius. In this take, I am not so much interested in chronicling the flotsam and jetsam as in fathoming whether there is some ideology that drives it.

Last week an ancestral rural school near the Kings River had its large bronze bell stolen. I think it dated from 1911. I have driven by it about 100 times in the 42 years since I got my first license. The bell had endured all those years. Where it is now I don’t know. Does someone just cut up a beautifully crafted bell in some chop yard in rural Fresno County, without a worry about who forged it or why — or why others for a century until now enjoyed its presence?


TOPICS: Agriculture; Business/Economy; Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ca; illegalinvasion; illegals; theft; vandalism; vandals; vdh; victordavishanson
Incredible piece. Read the reast at the link.
1 posted on 12/21/2011 5:47:33 AM PST by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote

Perhaps, in addition to the fences and security cameras, Mr. Hanson should consider acquiring a a Remington Model 700 SPS Tactical rifle (or its functional equivalent) in .308 or .30-06, fitting it with a night vision scope, and practicing his 250-500 yard shots.


2 posted on 12/21/2011 6:11:57 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Perhaps, in addition to the fences and security cameras, Mr. Hanson should consider acquiring a a Remington Model 700 SPS Tactical rifle (or its functional equivalent) in .308 or .30-06, fitting it with a night vision scope, and practicing his 250-500 yard shots.


3 posted on 12/21/2011 6:12:06 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: GlockThe Vote
You're right, it's well worth the click. A quote:

The influx of over 11 million illegal aliens has had a sort of ripple effect that is rarely calibrated. Sixty percent of Hispanic males in California are not graduating from high school. Unemployment in rural California runs about 20 percent. There is less fear now of arrest and incarceration, given the bankruptcy of the state, which, of course, is rarely officially connected even in small part to illegal immigration. Perhaps because illegal immigration poses so many mind-boggling challenges (e.g., probably over $20 billion lost to the state in remittances, the undermining of federal law, the prejudice shown against legal immigration applicants, ethnic favoritism as the engine of amnesty, subterfuge on the part of Mexico, vast costs in entitlements and subsidies), talking about it is futile. So most don't, in fear of accusations of racism.

The article is a great recommendation for the Texas solution: we can shoot thieves here. They need it. Unfortunately we can't shoot hit & run drivers - yet.

4 posted on 12/21/2011 6:24:22 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
The farmers and country folk in my area would shoot any little punk they would catch stealing in the countryside, at least the ones that got past the dogs. Basic redneck heaven, your own water source, your own septic system, a good dog and a clear line of fire.
5 posted on 12/21/2011 6:25:56 AM PST by dog breath
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To: dog breath
I just don't see any solution. The state has been over-run with third worlders and the liberals who reside there don't live in a real world. Multi-culturalism and income redistribution give them their only sense of virtue, and no facts or logic can reason with them.
6 posted on 12/21/2011 6:51:31 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Travis McGee; dennisw; Noumenon
Another manifestation of the Pakistani-Peruvian Axis.

I'm not sure where Prof. Hanson is on the CW2 Cube, but obviously the wrong part.

7 posted on 12/21/2011 6:52:14 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Unfortunately, Admin Moderator closed the thread with more responses than this one. However, I shall be undaunted in my quest to comment...:-)

Best paragraph in the article, IMO:

Out here in the Dark Ages we depend instead on truth from the oral tradition, in the manner of Homeric bards. Rural folk offer their stories of woe to help others deter crime, cognizant that official accounts in the media are either incomplete or censored to reflect a sort of Ministry of Truth groupthink.

This is a nugget of Truth that can't be overlooked. Many people with first-hand knowledge of most subjects/events read a newspaper account or see a TV report of the same event and wonder if the reporter was recounting the reality that happened right in front of them. It is a rare reporter that will rise to the level of journalist and be worthy of the respect of that name. Most are happy to take the pablum handed out by official sources and accept it as the pure truth.

8 posted on 12/21/2011 7:20:08 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
It's coming...

I see the elites walling themselves in behind ranks of military-armed "police" for their protection, while civil war (that THEY have created) is waged among the population. This has been the plan all along, and zero is the culmination of the effort...

9 posted on 12/21/2011 7:22:35 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: GlockThe Vote; Dubh_Ghlase; Travis McGee
VDH describes a difficult problem, one which no politician in any of the states can be expected to resolve:

Mexican-Americans…(a) largely successful and increasingly integrated and assimilated near majority of the state’s population. […] Sixty percent of Hispanic males in California are not graduating from high school.

Seems unlikely there will be a comfortable resolution to the problem

10 posted on 12/21/2011 7:43:03 AM PST by frog in a pot (I am not a birther...I am an NBCer)
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To: Owl_Eagle

A backhoe would help.


11 posted on 12/21/2011 7:57:39 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: WayneS

It does seem like the start of the next civil war.


12 posted on 12/21/2011 7:58:46 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Good point.

In order to avoid embarrassing questions from “the authorities”, the purchase of a backhoe should immediately precede, or be coincident with, the purchase of the Remington Model 700 SPS tactical rifle, which it turns out is not available in .30-06, but only in .223 or .308.

Of the two, I think .308 would be more useful for the situation described in the article.


13 posted on 12/21/2011 8:15:08 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm at NO additonal charge...)
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To: WayneS

Maybe some of the perps will conveniently leave large pop bottles and insulation for collection and reuse.


14 posted on 12/21/2011 8:18:13 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: jimt

15 posted on 12/21/2011 8:42:53 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

They’re like sharks. You can write nice articles, but they don’t read them. You just have to make it easier for them to go somewhere else to steal. There is a certain amount of logic. They go where there’s easy pickings. No one should have to put up with this kind of baloney. Get all the farmers together and form a circle around the sheriff’s house and the county attorney’s house and then the mayor’s house. Don’t do anything and don’t say anything. Form a legal cooperative and send the mayor and the sheriff and the county attorney bills for the stolen property and then take them to court. Make their lives miserable, but do it legally.


16 posted on 12/21/2011 8:52:07 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: GlockThe Vote

They are getting just what they deserve, and to my delight - must add.


17 posted on 12/21/2011 8:54:49 AM PST by stockpirate (Newt , Romney and Ann Coulture are Big Government socialists.)
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To: WayneS

The first time he fires that weapon....he will be shortly in jail.


18 posted on 12/21/2011 9:09:34 AM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: DuncanWaring
Interesting, is it not, how Quigley's analysis holds up? Everything that Hanson describes is a near-perfect example of the outlook and the cultural habits one finds along the Pakistani-Peruvian axis.
Somewhat similar to this lack of respect for manual work are a number of other aspects of traditional Arab life that have spread the length of the Pakistani-Peruvian axis. The chief source of many of these is the Bedouin outlook, which originally reflected the attitudes of relatively small group of the Islamic culture but which, because they were a superior, conquering group, came to be copied by others in the society, even by the despised agricultural workers. These attitudes include lack of respect for the soil, for vegetation, for most animals, and for outsiders. These attitudes, which are singularly ill-fitted for the geographic and climatic conditions of the whole Pakistani-Peruvian area, are to be seen constantly in the everyday life of that area as erosion, destruction of vegetation and wild life, personal cruelty and callousness to most living things, including one’s fellow men, and a general harshness and indifference to God’s creation. This final attitude, which well reflects the geographic conditions of the area, which seem as harsh and indifferent as man himself, is met by those men who must face it in their daily life as a resigned submission to fate and to the inhumanity of man to man.

All that Hanson describes is a harbinger of what is in store for our unique Western Civilization if we do take the terrible and necessary steps to rid ourselves of those who wish to destroy us. There will be no voting or talking our way out of this.

19 posted on 12/21/2011 9:22:41 AM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Osage Orange

You just nailed it! When a man can no longer defend his property with deadly force, legally, civilization is over.


20 posted on 12/21/2011 10:15:13 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
This civilizational collapse is happening in slow-motion everywhere...different locations produce different circumstances.

Around here, we've even had instances of farm crops being stolen out of the fields. One of my neighbors had all the persimmons stolen off his tree in his yard.

21 posted on 12/21/2011 10:15:49 AM PST by blam
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To: GlockThe Vote
Typical Liberal mindset (nail on the head sentence):
We
[California enforcement] need middle-class misdemeanors to pay for the felonies of the underclass.

Something to keep in mind when TSHTF - why you and your neighbors should be armed to the teeth:
. . . our rural homes are like stray sheep outside the herd, without whatever protection is offered by the density of a town.
Unfortunately, depending on the density, the "density of the town" could be a minus.

22 posted on 12/21/2011 10:25:23 AM PST by Oatka (This is the USA, assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: WayneS

Small, light, high speed calibers are good for varmints. Something like a .220 Swift or 22-250, in a hollow point at the light and fast end. Nothing left but little lead and copper splinters.


23 posted on 12/21/2011 10:35:42 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Sitting here waiting for all the FReepers to start piling on poor, lost California, the state you all agreed to give up without even a shot being fired...

“You brought it on yourselves! You deserve it, fruits and nuts! Why don’t you do something about it?!? We should wall off California from the rest of the country! We should give it back to Mexico! The people of California are utterly contemptible! This could NEVER happen here in _________, because we’re made of better stuff than you losers in California!”

There is nothing braver than an American taking on the enemy abroad, and nothing more cowardly than an American averting his gaze from the enemy in his own backyard.


24 posted on 12/21/2011 10:44:58 AM PST by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink
Sitting here waiting for all the FReepers to start piling on poor, lost California...

No need. You've done an excellent job all by yourself.

25 posted on 12/21/2011 10:47:28 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm at NO additional charge...)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Central California, the nation’s breadbasket, has become a dump for a nation now overrun with human garbage.


26 posted on 12/21/2011 11:33:16 AM PST by mojito
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To: GlockThe Vote

We already have a road-map for where this is going.

Its called ARGENTINA. study their society, their economy, their public safety to learn about your future.

I’m not such an alarmist as to say society will collapse, but it will get uglier, and it will bounce along the bottom for a long time.


27 posted on 12/21/2011 11:52:44 AM PST by PGR88 (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: mojito

Brutal description - but very true.


28 posted on 12/21/2011 11:52:57 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote
There is a simple, but not PC answer: the 3S System of deterrence (Shoot, Shovel, Shut-up).

If the dumb thugs start disappearing, the stealing will drop, and the politicians will congratulate themselves how “brilliant” their policies are.

29 posted on 12/21/2011 2:44:22 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

It is time to start lopping off digits. 1st offense, lop off weak hand pinkie finger. 2nd, strong hand pinkie finger. Keep going alternating hands until you get to the thumbs. When criminals no longer have opposable thumbs, I predict a dramatic decrease in the crime rate. No criminal should have 24 convictions like that.

This is also why I have always been a proponent of long prision sentences. Like he said, a $200 haul might cost $1,500 to repair. Petty criminals rack up huge costs in damage. Much better to pay the $25,000/year to warehouse them in captivity. Much better. It is a lot of money, but these jackasses rack up much much higher costs with hospital care being the highest cost, when they get shot or harmed in the commission of their crimes.

We need to start cutting off digits, but absent that, we should just send our criminals to 3rd world prisons on the cheap. China would be great place to warehouse all of our prisoners. They could build a few dozen prisons in no time, and use unemployed rural folk for guards, all cheap.


30 posted on 12/21/2011 4:24:47 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
I knew this already because I pull dogs and occasionally cats and kittens north from the central valley animal shelters. They are being dumped at record rates and none are being adopted. They roam the streets and starve.

The valley has lost most civilization as the rest of us know it.

31 posted on 12/22/2011 8:49:45 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: jimt

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/CrimestoppherAUG2011.pdf


32 posted on 12/22/2011 9:30:27 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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