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daniel1212 | 12-21-2011 | daniel1212

Posted on 12/21/2011 1:51:06 PM PST by daniel1212

Opinions? PC tech mystery

Last week my hard working Sony VGC RA840G PC (circa 2005), 2.8ghz, 3gb ram, under XP media center (a gift), which came with a hard-to-ID mobo (appears to be a Asus p5lp-vx), would not boot into Windows, but would just hang at the stage when loading settings would take place. It would boot using safe mode, but even booting with only windows services (chosen via msconfig) would result in the same terminal hang. In safe mode I scanned the system with an up to date online scan (Bit Defender), as well as Kapersky root kit scanner which found nothing.

It also would not run disk check, and going back to a good restore point also did not fix the problem.

I have a full recent back on another drive which i was able to boot from before this, but the very same thing would happen using that, which evidenced it was a hardware issue.

I also had a Linux OS on another separate drive that i sometimes used, and sometimes it would boot into that, but not always.

Attempting to do a clean install would fail to proceed to the point where you can choose what to do , as did an attempt to install a preview version of W/7, or even another copy of Linux. Things were getting worse.

In attempting to diagnose the problem, i disconnected all peripherals except the kbrd and mouse (both work fine on another PC),

But it would still hang, and eventually would not even load under safe mode.

However, i did look for capacitor plague and found one capacitor, a larger one, that was swelled, the top bulging, and which was more common years ago. I even made a basic attempt to remove the mobo in hopes of repairing it, something i had never done. I have removed mobos before, and once installed a CPU, but, this PC apparently the CPU is liquid cooled as it has pipes going from underneath a large heatsink up to a large fan box up the top, and so i put that off for perhaps another day.

As a result of it not starting, instead i used an old white box 1.5ghz PC (from my neighbors metal recycling business), which i had installed a retail copy of XP on, but with only 768mb of ram i could not work with my usual 3 Bible programs, about 10 documents open as well as about 80 tabs in Firefox. And i began praying and looking at newer builds with 64bit. [Surprisingly however, despite only having pata connectors and 1.0 USB, i was able to access my sata drives using one of those $3.00 usb sata ide cable adapters from ebay), powered by an old PSU (clip facing you, with a paper clip connect the green wire to the black wire to the left of it), which improvisation some might carefully find useful.]

But last night after trying to remove the mobo i decided to give it another try, after thinking of selling it for parts, and this time it booted, after running check disk, and continues to run well I am certain disk errors were not the problem as nothing would consistently run using various drives. Perhaps i inadvertently fixed something in my attempt to remove the mobo, as nothing else was done, but i thank God the old work horse is running.

Opinions?

Also, if America were a computer, what would be the diagnosis?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: computers; geeks; pc; windows
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But most importantly, make sure you are "online" with the Lord Jesus, and get "virus" disinfection and a heavenly OS from Him to "boot" from daily:)
1 posted on 12/21/2011 1:51:14 PM PST by daniel1212
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To: metmom; boatbums; caww; smvoice; presently no screen name; Quix; HossB86; RnMomof7

Thanks for your prayers.


2 posted on 12/21/2011 1:52:22 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212

Find another computer with similar - better specs that needs a HD, and stick the HD in it, and take the old thing to a recycle bin, and toss it in.


3 posted on 12/21/2011 1:55:16 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: daniel1212
SInce you are familiar with linux, why dont you try booting a linux distro like knoppix from USB (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/). If you can get it up an running, you can run a hard drive check. Most likely reasons for failure are usually power supply, or hard drive. Usually power supply is a complete failure, though. If you can boot linux, also run their memory checker.
4 posted on 12/21/2011 1:58:21 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: daniel1212

It could be that moving the mobo reseated the memory. You might just have a funky DIMM in there.


5 posted on 12/21/2011 1:58:32 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: daniel1212

No mystery here. Junk it and buy a Mac.


6 posted on 12/21/2011 1:59:36 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Well, this is rather fast, being 2.8ghz and tweaked. The main advantage is that 64 bit can take more ram, as i use of most 3gb even in XP.

I did see these as offering the best buys. What do you think:

http://www.computerlx.com/view_cart.aspx

http://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/computer_systems_with_os/phenom_555

http://www.pricewatch.com/computer_systems_with_os/

http://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/computer_systems_with_os/athlon_ii_x4_640


7 posted on 12/21/2011 2:05:52 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212

you may have bought some time but with the capacitor going its only a matter of time. Go to the MFG website find the service guide, it will tell you how to do the rip down, replace the capacitors, clean it up then back it up. BTW get the hard drive diagnostic program from the HD MFG and make sure its fine. Lastly check the ram with a memory checker program.

Dell has a dos level hardware diagnostic suite, you should see if there is one for your system.


8 posted on 12/21/2011 2:06:25 PM PST by waynesa98
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To: daniel1212

Could have been some bad memory or mobo shorting on the case.

Use memtest86 to see if the memory is okay.

If your motherboard has swollen capacitors, I think I would plan on rebuilding that computer real soon.


9 posted on 12/21/2011 2:07:41 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: MrShoop

No, even when i booted into Linus it was inconsistent, and now it runs fine. I did not touch the memory after swapping them out to no avail.


10 posted on 12/21/2011 2:08:10 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212

Get the best specs you can afford... slap your HD in, and go...


11 posted on 12/21/2011 2:08:53 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Doc Savage

Can Windows users go to Heaven?


12 posted on 12/21/2011 2:09:05 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: Dr. Sivana

No, they are not close, and had swapped them, running with only one and then trying another. And while this is the 1st day back it running without a noticeable hitch (event manager also good).


13 posted on 12/21/2011 2:14:06 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212
I was assuming your linux was on a partition on the same drive as your windows install (or a second drive, but same ide controller ).

By booting linux from a usb stick, you can avoid any problem that your drive might be having, and safely run diagnostics on it.

14 posted on 12/21/2011 2:14:27 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: Doc Savage

Ditto..buy a MAC.There are a lot to choose from too to meet your needs.


15 posted on 12/21/2011 2:15:27 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: daniel1212
Did you check the MB battery? I had an issue once similar and replacing the battery was the fix.

In my younger days, I wanted to use one of the new fangled VGA cards, but the bios chip wouldn't support it. I had to de-solder the bios chip and solder the new on in. That's they way we did it back then and we liked it!

16 posted on 12/21/2011 2:17:06 PM PST by steveo
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To: smokingfrog

Yes, it is only one, but that can be all it takes.


17 posted on 12/21/2011 2:20:05 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: waynesa98

Will check. Thanks!


18 posted on 12/21/2011 2:21:17 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212

It’s not a mystery. Obama and Eric Holder are spying on you using your own computer.


19 posted on 12/21/2011 2:22:37 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Keith in Iowa

I hear you. Will try to make best use of the funds that be, as needed.


20 posted on 12/21/2011 2:22:45 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: steveo

No i did not. But i think i do have another, but after sitting unplugged for a few days it would seem that it would get worse, not better. But thanks.


21 posted on 12/21/2011 2:24:56 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: celtic gal

Thanks. I never really had a MAC, and do a lot of custom configuration with Windows, and i know they are more costly. But i cannot say you are wrong.


22 posted on 12/21/2011 2:26:59 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: MrShoop

No, as i said it was on another separate drive which worked fine before.


23 posted on 12/21/2011 2:28:05 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: mamelukesabre

But i am trying to share the wealth - of data!


24 posted on 12/21/2011 2:30:09 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212

Bad drive. you booted under the right temperature.

Get another one. less than $100 for any decent drive.


25 posted on 12/21/2011 2:31:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: daniel1212

Here are some really cheap computers with similar specs to yours.
Small hard drives and not as much memory as yours though.

http://www.directron.com/computer.html

I’ve bought stuff from them before and never had a problem.


26 posted on 12/21/2011 2:34:32 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: daniel1212

Tigerdirect.com has some good deals frequently on laptops and desktop PCs.

On BlackFriday/CyberMonday, I found a Gateway Core i5 with 4gb Ram [added an additional 8gb for an additional $28], 1Tb HD, Windows 7 Home Premium for $479.

I also got a 24” monitor for $119.

Look online and at store websites. Between now and the first of the year, you can probably find some good deals.


27 posted on 12/21/2011 2:35:04 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: MrShoop

I had tried to boot Linux from a USB before, and i think i used http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/, but as something did not work, though i have a new 8gb Verbatim flash drv. Should try again sometime.

I think i have tried about 12 flavors of Linux on older PCs (less than 1gb ram) ever the years, and found Puppy the fastest for one that has the basics, but lacking in software and ease, while Lubuntu is a little heavier but the best so far in its class for old PCs. But lack of legal codecs (USA) is one issue with all Linux distros (i know you can but them).


28 posted on 12/21/2011 2:38:18 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: Keith in Iowa

The other issue is that this OS (32 bit XP) is not retail, but is “married” to the mobo it came with. Plus an upgrade should be to 64 bit.


29 posted on 12/21/2011 2:41:19 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: Vendome

I had used different drives.


30 posted on 12/21/2011 2:43:26 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: smokingfrog

Thanks. Low prices, but 64 bit is the future.


31 posted on 12/21/2011 2:46:53 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: steveo

My first “PC” (my third personal computer) was a Taiwanese XT clone. I think it was a “Chingao!”

Anyway, I noticed that it messed up the system time every time a certain application program (my packet radio BBS) queried the time between midnight and 1 AM.

In those days, the (8086 assembly language) source code for the IBM XT bios was printed in the XT manual.

I had access to an EPROM programmer at work; so I pulled the chip, read it out in the programmer, and studied the disassembled code. I found it was nearly identical to that of the XT BIOS, except for the midnight rollover code, which the Clone XT BIOS writers had gratuitously hacked, breaking the rollover. The reason for their hack will ever evade me.

Anyway, I found a way to patch the EPROM image, in 8086 machine language, to fix the routine so that it worked properly, like the IBM XT BIOS.

Blasted it into another EPROM, plugged it into the Chingao, problem solved.

That ol’ clone survived BBS use (24x7) for a few years, even after a fan failure left it hot enough to cook eggs for a couple of days.

Things were sure simpler back then!


32 posted on 12/21/2011 2:47:16 PM PST by Erasmus (Rage, rage, against the dying of the light. Or, get out your 50mm/1.2.)
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To: TomGuy

Thanks. I did look at Tiger, as well as the ones in post %7. I have to let the Lord lead with what i have.


33 posted on 12/21/2011 2:48:49 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: Erasmus

The CIA may have an opening for you.


34 posted on 12/21/2011 2:50:36 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212

I have this song on infinite loop so that if obama or holder tries to hack into my computer they will get annoyed and leave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKhPtgEirOE&feature=related

bet ya can’t listen to it 10 times in a row


35 posted on 12/21/2011 2:59:14 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: daniel1212

My 840 died a similiar death. Loved my sony. It’s a motherboard issue. I moved the drives to another computer.
I miss it’s quiet operation. ( my 1st video editor, and a cool case)


36 posted on 12/21/2011 3:00:29 PM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Doc Savage
No mystery here. Junk it and buy a Mac.

Wow. That was helpful.

That's why people love you mac-zealots so much.

37 posted on 12/21/2011 3:00:47 PM PST by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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To: daniel1212

Go to this website and scroll down untill you see these two listed.They will run even if you don’t have a hard drive...

http://puppylinux.org/main/Puplet%20for%20special%20features.htm

EVANGELISM

ChurchPup
A Christian Puppy derivative that focuses on Bible study, office applications, internet, and email, but also includes applications for multimedia presentations, audio and video editing, and musical notation.

ShepherdPup
ShepherdPup is a compact freely distributable [live CD] for Christian evangelism.


38 posted on 12/21/2011 3:05:51 PM PST by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: Erasmus

i never learned programming, but i had an old Win. 3:1, with (i think) a 1440 modem, and it has MS word and would work today for word processing. Also spent lots of time on W/95/98/98e/Vista. If they let W/9x (system resources low, fatal error, illegal action, danger Will Robinson) be open source it could still be popular for some old PCs. Thank God for such tools. But things like “write.exe” have not changed much in 15 years.


39 posted on 12/21/2011 3:06:25 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: mamelukesabre

I lasted abut 20 secs. Torture


40 posted on 12/21/2011 3:09:04 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: Lees Swrd

Thanks. I have puppy 5.11 on a 750mhz rig for an older man, and it is good for the internet. I knew about ChurchPup, which i think is not a recent build, but did not know of ShepherdPup. I install TheWord on Linux using Wine (hard to find the latest for Puppy 5.11, and having to add depositories is discouraging). But it does the basics.


41 posted on 12/21/2011 3:14:53 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212; Keith in Iowa
So you're saying you got your original rig to boot up?

I always check the power supply first when funky stuff occurs. Smell the unit for fried components....it's a ‘dead’ give away.

But I agree with Keith in Iowa, move the HD over to a new/second hand rig that can be bought for less than a good PSU. Unless you like wasting your time on a PC 6 years past it's prime ;)

42 posted on 12/21/2011 3:25:27 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: Erasmus
I still have my old MFJ-1278 data controller that was linked to the W6GO packet spotting network. The controller was 'interfaced' with a Icom 2AT (HT) and a 4 element beam to the digipeater site.

Before the internet, I was smack on any dx spots... ah the olden days!

43 posted on 12/21/2011 3:35:54 PM PST by steveo
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To: daniel1212

Bad capacitor = bad news. Start shopping for new system.


44 posted on 12/21/2011 3:43:40 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: daniel1212

see? works good. Glad I was there for ya.


45 posted on 12/21/2011 3:47:56 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Electric Graffiti

I think the PSU is fine, and the only spare ones are 20 pin and will not boot this. I will have to use it more to know if this is an intermittent. It has seen extensive daily use, being used about 18 hours a day for years, and it was top of the line i think in its day, yet the newer PCs around the price range i was looking (400-500) are only around 3.2 ghz dual core AMD cpus, and i do not think thats a lot faster than this 2.8ghz dual core Pentium, or are they?

The attraction is the increased ram 64 allows (at $10 for a gba Newegg), and the OS is 100 of the total price. And you want a mobo with more than a 2 slot ram, which is all some of them have. I like the sites (see #7) that you can choose components, but which takes research. Pray and press.


46 posted on 12/21/2011 4:06:40 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: steveo

“W6GO packet spotting network?,” “digipeater?,” “dx spots?” Is this like the enigma machine? Did it have a hand crank?


47 posted on 12/21/2011 4:09:33 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: mamelukesabre

Muzak like that could a major cause of PC failure. Or the operators.


48 posted on 12/21/2011 4:11:18 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212

With all the work you did, it could have been something as simple as a grounding contact with some corrosion on it that got cleaned up.


49 posted on 12/21/2011 6:32:07 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: daniel1212

Well the advice was free. LOL

diagnosis online is hard. if it’s sitting in front of me I can zip through it pretty quick.

So it was an smt problem and somehow revolved?


50 posted on 12/21/2011 6:55:46 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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