Skip to comments.Massive 1,100+ year old Maya site discovered in Georgia's mountains
Posted on 12/22/2011 7:57:09 PM PST by LucyT
Archaeological zone 9UN367 at Track Rock Gap, near Georgias highest mountain, Brasstown Bald, is a half mile (800 m) square and rises 700 feet (213 m) in elevation up a steep mountainside.
Visible are at least 154 stone masonry walls for agricultural terraces, plus evidence of a sophisticated irrigation system and ruins of several other stone structures. Much more may be hidden underground.
It is possibly the site of the fabled city of Yupaha, which Spanish explorer Hernando de Soto failed to find in 1540, and certainly one of the most important archaeological discoveries in recent times.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
"3D virtual reality image was made from the Johannes Loubser site plan. There may be many other hidden structures in the ancient site."
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Thanks aposiopetic for the ping.
I had no idea.
Although they could have been obtained through round about trade with other tribes, and moved hand to hand over thousands of miles, they could also have been made easily by Maya then invading the South Central states.
BTW, that's a KNOWN FACT. Culturally Mayan people were present in North America, and certainly South Florida and Caribbean islands.
We’ll never be able to shut those La Raza lowlifes up now. Guess we all better get ready to be shipped back to Europe.
Only if we can then ship the muslims back to Hell.
First I have heard of it.
I don't know. This might be something to shut them up. The Anglo settler's descendents should now only deal with those tribes we know have been in the US area for many centuries and not a bunch of recent illegal arrivals in the Southwest and West.
Deal with the Cherokee and Creek and the tribes known to have lived in what is now the US when the settlers began arriving.
“Guess we all better get ready to be shipped back to Europe.”
I just found out tonight that my maternal great grandparents were full Dutch. So now my heritage is Scotch-Irish/Swedish/Dutch.
The "dates" are a tad different, but we can't rule out EARLIER Mayan forays into this area.
It's due East of Arrow Rock Missouri, and West of Arcola WV and Arcola VA.
Not that any of that means anything, but if this place has 1/2 square mile of designated space, that's about 500 arpents.
It could very well have a mix of Mayan AND Spanish settlement patterns, and "artifacts".
Don't believe DeSoto's journal when he said they didn't find gold ~ there's ALWAYS gold associated with Iron Pyrite. That's invariably an iron/nickel meteorite site ~ I'll do some detailed checking tomorrow to see if there's an outline of any early settlement that follows the design required in The Law Of The Indies.
Very true. I have a pile of 10,000 year old points found in the field just below my folks house here in the mountains of NC.
Nope- just a good blend of a lot of different backgrounds.
In genetics, they call it “hybrid vigor.” Stronger and better than purebred, and certainly less boring.
Thanks for the post, I will have to read more on this.
The Mayan civilization dominated the region in and around the Yucatán Peninsula of what is now Mexico. Since Mexico is in North America, I’d say that fact has been known for about, oh, 500 years.
Once a people are exposed to an aspect of a culture that is clearly useful, they can adopt it, and adapt to it, very quickly. For instance, nobody needed to spend much time teaching the Indians of the high plains the usefulness of mustangs before their whole cultures were revolutionized. Though they might have shared many identical aspects of the horse culture of the Mongolian steppe, they never needed to meet a Mongolian.
My two cents.
Not at all, you’re blended Scotch!
Maybe they will find page 2 of that Mayan calendar everyone is talking about, the one that ends in 2012 ...
gold was and is mined throughout this region of nw Ga, se tn. Seems the Maya just a bout will not inhabit an area free of gold. If the site is ever thouroughly excavaated , much gold could be the result. Many of these hillside structures contained caches mined fairly deep into the clif bottoms where food and valuables were store.
How cool! I’ve been fascinated by Mayan culture for years and always wanted to visit some of their ruins.
These may not be as spectacular as those in Central America but they’re a HECK of a lot closer. I may have to tell Hubby it’s time for a road trip!
While you're in the neighborhood, see the Etowah Indian Mounds, a 54-acre archaeological site in Bartow County, Georgia south of Cartersville.
"Built and occupied in three phases, from 10001550 CE, the prehistoric site is located on the north shore of the Etowah River. Etowah Indian Mounds Historic Site is a designated National Historic Landmark, managed by the Georgia Department of Natural Resources."
More info with several photos:
Ok, now I’m champin’ at the bit to get away from the farm and head to GA. Hubby’s out at the garage right now and has no idea what he’ll be walking into when he comes in. LOL!
I had no idea there were sites like this so close by.
In florida, look up the windover site near titusville. Well preserved bodies found in a bog. estimated 5000-7000 yrs old. in the brevard museum evidence of loom weaving and sophisticated agriculture. the neutral ph anerobic water left the bodies in amazing shape with some bodies even having brain material intact in the skulls.
The Golden City of Iroquois Oral Tradition
Perhaps about two thousand two hundred years before the Columbus discovered the America [708 B.C.?], and the northern nations [north of the St. Lawrence River?] appointed a prince, and immediately repaired to the south [of the St. Lawrence River?] and visited the great Emperor who resided at the Golden City, a capital of the vast empire. After a time the Emperor built many forts throughout his dominions and almost penetrated the lake Erie; this produced an excitement, the people of the north felt that they would soon be deprived of the country on the south side of the Great Lakes they determined to defend their country against any infringement of foreign people; long bloody wars ensued which lasted about one hundred years; the people of the north were too skillful in the use of bows and arrows and could endure hardships which proved fatal to a foreign people; at last the northern nations gained the conquest and all the towns and forts were totally destroyed and left them in a heap of ruins.
Bonaparte, Darren, `Creation and Confederation`
Brasstown bald Mountain is near Lumpkin County, GA which was the epicenter of the gold rush of 1830’s. Same Gold rush that caused Andrew Jackson to rescind all native claims to lands and auction all lands off to pioneer settlers so as to eliminate ‘foreign’ native interests. Same goold rush that led to the trail of tears. The Maya and Aztecs had a thing for gold.
``Beneath the Tree was a great hole. The woman peered from the edge into the hole and suddenly fell off the edge. As she was falling she grasped at the edge and clutched in her hand some of the earth from the Sky World. As she fell, the birds of the world below were disturbed and alerted to her distress. The birds responded and gathered a great many of their kind to break her fall and cradle her to the back of a great sea turtle. The creatures of the water believed that she needed land to live on, so they set about to collect some for her. They dove to the great depths of the world's oceans to gather earth to make her a place to live. Many of the animals tried to gather the earth from the ocean floor, only the muskrat was successful. With only a small bit of earth brought onto turtle's back from his small paws, Turtle Island began to grow.
The Sky Woman soon gave birth to a daughter on Turtle Island. The daughter grew fast. There were no man-beings on Turtle Island, but a being known as the West Wind married the daughter of Sky Woman.``
Almost all of us white folk here in US are...er I wouldn’t say “Eurotrash”..but European mutts yes. I’m still trying to figure out “exactly” what I am but I’m finding it’s too wide a mixture for my liking lol! There’s Irish and English/Welsh and German/Dutch for sure and smidgen of Swedish, but there was a Jewish last name from an ancestor that came from the area which is now Transylvania, Romania but used to be Austo-Hungary whose descendant traveled to England and married an English woman and their sons went to Jewish schools but the old pictures of them I have they don’t LOOK Jewish (the men) some of the brothers look Italian and others look somewhat German or something. However on my my mother’s side...her father told her his folk came from Germany only their last name is Scottish...Why am I telling a complete stranger this I dont’ know lol!
Great. Now the reconquista crowd is going to want Georgia back too.
.......I see a Mayan Casino in the not too distant future for Georgia.
The comments at the link are quite contentious!
Weren't those built by the Adena tribe? I don't think they had anything to do with the Mayans, who would (IMO) left something more complex than a mount of dirt.
I have backpacked and trapised all around this area since I was a teen and have never seen any evidence of something like this anywhere. Not saying it isn’t true, but I have a geology degree and can spot man made features fairly well.
I’d never heard of it before, either. :’)
Great. Now the reconquista crowd is going to want Georgia back too.
Nah. They’ll just have the Courts appoint them Special Masters (as they did in Washington State) able to take whatever they choose which makes money.
There are several different cultures of Mound Building in the Ohio Valley and Central South ~ including folks who were neither Adena nor Hopewell but were still building mounds when De Soto visited (1541).
The Cherokee rightly denied having built older mounds ~ they lived much further West and were new arrivals in the Southern Appalachians.
Sounds fairly reasonable ~ lot of stuff encoded in there but Fur Shur it established the political supremacy of the women among the Iroquois.
So did the Swedes and Bretons ~ A very notable taste for the goods.
So what we have here is a site in hillycountry and there are ancient Indian works, more recent works, a modern town, and gold miners have been in the place.
This may well be one of the more important archaeological sites in North America when it comes to evidence of Spanish penetration.
At some point someone will come up with a picture of those "stones" ~ bet they are somewhat like parallelograms and look just like typical 1500s Spanish boundary stones ~ which are also sometimes quite large.
Another area of interest is upstream above Great Falls on the Potomac ~ there were comparable numbers of Indians in that area attracted by the presence of year round fresh water even during periods of drought.
This territory changed hands many times over the centuries, but every linguistic group in North America had "places" with people there when the Spanish discovered the Western Arm of Chesapeake Bay.
Very valuable place ~ now used as the United States capital city!
The Mayan people(s) used boats.