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Massive 1,100+ year old Maya site discovered in Georgia's mountains
National Architecture & Design | Examiner.com ^ | December 21, 2011 | Richard Thornton

Posted on 12/22/2011 7:57:09 PM PST by LucyT

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From graphic at the Link:

"3D virtual reality image was made from the Johannes Loubser site plan. There may be many other hidden structures in the ancient site."

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1 posted on 12/22/2011 7:57:15 PM PST by LucyT
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

ping


2 posted on 12/22/2011 8:01:57 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic; Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks aposiopetic for the ping.

Thanks Renfield for the FReepmailed link to the article.

And thanks LucyT for saving me a bunch of effort by posting it.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


3 posted on 12/22/2011 8:05:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: LucyT

http://www.stratumunlimited.com/uploads/4/8/1/5/4815662/track_rock_paper.pdf


4 posted on 12/22/2011 8:06:36 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: SunkenCiv

I had no idea.


5 posted on 12/22/2011 8:20:52 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: LucyT

Unlikely


6 posted on 12/22/2011 8:22:01 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Likely. You should take a look at the pictures of stone and clay tobacco pipes found buried in Mounds throughout the Ohio Valley.

Although they could have been obtained through round about trade with other tribes, and moved hand to hand over thousands of miles, they could also have been made easily by Maya then invading the South Central states.

BTW, that's a KNOWN FACT. Culturally Mayan people were present in North America, and certainly South Florida and Caribbean islands.

7 posted on 12/22/2011 8:24:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Pan_Yan

ping


8 posted on 12/22/2011 8:25:43 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: LucyT

We’ll never be able to shut those La Raza lowlifes up now. Guess we all better get ready to be shipped back to Europe.


9 posted on 12/22/2011 8:28:32 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Only if we can then ship the muslims back to Hell.


10 posted on 12/22/2011 8:36:46 PM PST by null and void (Day 1065 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Rebelbase

First I have heard of it.


11 posted on 12/22/2011 8:44:08 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
We’ll never be able to shut those La Raza lowlifes up now.

I don't know. This might be something to shut them up. The Anglo settler's descendents should now only deal with those tribes we know have been in the US area for many centuries and not a bunch of recent illegal arrivals in the Southwest and West.

Deal with the Cherokee and Creek and the tribes known to have lived in what is now the US when the settlers began arriving.

12 posted on 12/22/2011 8:47:32 PM PST by Will88
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Guess we all better get ready to be shipped back to Europe.”

I just found out tonight that my maternal great grandparents were full Dutch. So now my heritage is Scotch-Irish/Swedish/Dutch.

I’m Eurotrash!


13 posted on 12/22/2011 8:49:17 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: aposiopetic
Keeping track with such things, this area is pret' near due South of the Great Serpent Mound at Peebles Ohio.

The "dates" are a tad different, but we can't rule out EARLIER Mayan forays into this area.

It's due East of Arrow Rock Missouri, and West of Arcola WV and Arcola VA.

Not that any of that means anything, but if this place has 1/2 square mile of designated space, that's about 500 arpents.

It could very well have a mix of Mayan AND Spanish settlement patterns, and "artifacts".

Don't believe DeSoto's journal when he said they didn't find gold ~ there's ALWAYS gold associated with Iron Pyrite. That's invariably an iron/nickel meteorite site ~ I'll do some detailed checking tomorrow to see if there's an outline of any early settlement that follows the design required in The Law Of The Indies.

14 posted on 12/22/2011 8:49:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Will88

Very true. I have a pile of 10,000 year old points found in the field just below my folks house here in the mountains of NC.


15 posted on 12/22/2011 8:50:58 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

I’m Eurotrash

Nope- just a good blend of a lot of different backgrounds.


16 posted on 12/22/2011 8:57:32 PM PST by handmade
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To: muawiyah
BTW, that's a KNOWN FACT. Culturally Mayan people were present in North America, and certainly South Florida and Caribbean islands.

Yeah, they had one heck of a travel agent who didn't rely on Greyhound Bus Lines at all.
17 posted on 12/22/2011 9:03:36 PM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: Rebelbase; handmade

In genetics, they call it “hybrid vigor.” Stronger and better than purebred, and certainly less boring.


18 posted on 12/22/2011 9:07:21 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: LucyT
Why would they pick a mountain to terrace and irrigate when there is plenty of valley land with good soil and water?
19 posted on 12/22/2011 9:12:39 PM PST by MCF
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To: LucyT
... One of the favorite stories about Track Rock Gap was recorded by ethnographer James Mooney who gathered Cherokee stories. The Cherokee called this site Datsu'nalasgun'ylu (where there are tracks) and Degayelun'ha (the printed or branded place). Cherokee stories include an explanation that hunters paused in the gap and amused themselves by carving the glyphs: the marks were made in a great hunt when the animals were driven through the gap, and that the tracks were made when the animals were leaving the great canoe after a flood almost destroyed the world and while the earth and rocks were soft. In 1867, conservationist John Muir traveled nearby and met a mountaineer who said, "It is called Track Gap ... from the great number of tracks in the rocks — bird tracks, bar tracks, hoss tracks, men tracks, all in the solid rock as if it had been mud. "

TRACK ROCK LINK


20 posted on 12/22/2011 9:13:11 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the post, I will have to read more on this.


21 posted on 12/22/2011 9:25:52 PM PST by dog breath
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To: muawiyah

The Mayan civilization dominated the region in and around the Yucatán Peninsula of what is now Mexico. Since Mexico is in North America, I’d say that fact has been known for about, oh, 500 years.


22 posted on 12/22/2011 9:26:16 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: muawiyah
Remember though, that culture knowledge and ways can travel farther and faster than a migrating group of people. Knowledge, say of corn raising and all the attendant religious and social aspects that come with it, can be spread by just a very few pioneers, “missionaries” if you will.

Once a people are exposed to an aspect of a culture that is clearly useful, they can adopt it, and adapt to it, very quickly. For instance, nobody needed to spend much time teaching the Indians of the high plains the usefulness of mustangs before their whole cultures were revolutionized. Though they might have shared many identical aspects of the horse culture of the Mongolian steppe, they never needed to meet a Mongolian.

My two cents.

Oldplayer
(Choctaw)

23 posted on 12/22/2011 9:28:12 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: Rebelbase

“I’m Eurotrash!”

Not at all, you’re blended Scotch!


24 posted on 12/22/2011 10:03:36 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: LucyT

Maybe they will find page 2 of that Mayan calendar everyone is talking about, the one that ends in 2012 ...


25 posted on 12/22/2011 10:24:04 PM PST by sawmill trash (TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY !!!!!!!)
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To: muawiyah

gold was and is mined throughout this region of nw Ga, se tn. Seems the Maya just a bout will not inhabit an area free of gold. If the site is ever thouroughly excavaated , much gold could be the result. Many of these hillside structures contained caches mined fairly deep into the clif bottoms where food and valuables were store.


26 posted on 12/22/2011 10:42:46 PM PST by ping jockey (We have arrogant jerks for leaders and WE will pay the highest cost.)
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To: LucyT
Junk science..everybody knows that the Mayans were just a genetic experiment done by aliens.
27 posted on 12/22/2011 10:48:58 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: LucyT

How cool! I’ve been fascinated by Mayan culture for years and always wanted to visit some of their ruins.

These may not be as spectacular as those in Central America but they’re a HECK of a lot closer. I may have to tell Hubby it’s time for a road trip!


28 posted on 12/22/2011 10:55:17 PM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: radu; Fred Nerks
A few years ago, I visited the site.

While you're in the neighborhood, see the Etowah Indian Mounds, a 54-acre archaeological site in Bartow County, Georgia south of Cartersville.

"Built and occupied in three phases, from 1000–1550 CE, the prehistoric site is located on the north shore of the Etowah River. Etowah Indian Mounds Historic Site is a designated National Historic Landmark, managed by the Georgia Department of Natural Resources."

More info with several photos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etowah_Indian_Mounds

29 posted on 12/22/2011 11:05:34 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Ok, now I’m champin’ at the bit to get away from the farm and head to GA. Hubby’s out at the garage right now and has no idea what he’ll be walking into when he comes in. LOL!

I had no idea there were sites like this so close by.


30 posted on 12/22/2011 11:21:55 PM PST by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: LucyT

In florida, look up the windover site near titusville. Well preserved bodies found in a bog. estimated 5000-7000 yrs old. in the brevard museum evidence of loom weaving and sophisticated agriculture. the neutral ph anerobic water left the bodies in amazing shape with some bodies even having brain material intact in the skulls.
http://www.nbbd.com/godo/history/windover/


31 posted on 12/22/2011 11:27:00 PM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: LucyT

a clue?

The Golden City of Iroquois Oral Tradition

“Perhaps about two thousand two hundred years before the Columbus discovered the America [708 B.C.?], and the northern nations [north of the St. Lawrence River?] appointed a prince, and immediately repaired to the south [of the St. Lawrence River?] and visited the great Emperor who resided at the Golden City, a capital of the vast empire. After a time the Emperor built many forts throughout his dominions and almost penetrated the lake Erie; this produced an excitement, the people of the north felt that they would soon be deprived of the country on the south side of the Great Lakes they determined to defend their country against any infringement of foreign people; long bloody wars ensued which lasted about one hundred years; the people of the north were too skillful in the use of bows and arrows and could endure hardships which proved fatal to a foreign people; at last the northern nations gained the conquest and all the towns and forts were totally destroyed and left them in a heap of ruins.”

Bonaparte, Darren, `Creation and Confederation`


32 posted on 12/22/2011 11:39:05 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (golden city?)
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To: muawiyah

Brasstown bald Mountain is near Lumpkin County, GA which was the epicenter of the gold rush of 1830’s. Same Gold rush that caused Andrew Jackson to rescind all native claims to lands and auction all lands off to pioneer settlers so as to eliminate ‘foreign’ native interests. Same goold rush that led to the trail of tears. The Maya and Aztecs had a thing for gold.


33 posted on 12/22/2011 11:57:50 PM PST by x_plus_one (Obama: Brainwashing the masses to believe that racism is a greater danger than radical Islam)
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To: Fred Nerks

That rock looks like the Creation Turtle.

``Beneath the Tree was a great hole. The woman peered from the edge into the hole and suddenly fell off the edge. As she was falling she grasped at the edge and clutched in her hand some of the earth from the Sky World. As she fell, the birds of the world below were disturbed and alerted to her distress. The birds responded and gathered a great many of their kind to break her fall and cradle her to the back of a great sea turtle. The creatures of the water believed that she needed land to live on, so they set about to collect some for her. They dove to the great depths of the world's oceans to gather earth to make her a place to live. Many of the animals tried to gather the earth from the ocean floor, only the muskrat was successful. With only a small bit of earth brought onto turtle's back from his small paws, Turtle Island began to grow.

The Sky Woman soon gave birth to a daughter on Turtle Island. The daughter grew fast. There were no man-beings on Turtle Island, but a being known as the West Wind married the daughter of Sky Woman.``

http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TheCreationStory-Iroquois.html

34 posted on 12/23/2011 12:04:03 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (turtle city?)
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To: Rebelbase

Almost all of us white folk here in US are...er I wouldn’t say “Eurotrash”..but European mutts yes. I’m still trying to figure out “exactly” what I am but I’m finding it’s too wide a mixture for my liking lol! There’s Irish and English/Welsh and German/Dutch for sure and smidgen of Swedish, but there was a Jewish last name from an ancestor that came from the area which is now Transylvania, Romania but used to be Austo-Hungary whose descendant traveled to England and married an English woman and their sons went to Jewish schools but the old pictures of them I have they don’t LOOK Jewish (the men) some of the brothers look Italian and others look somewhat German or something. However on my my mother’s side...her father told her his folk came from Germany only their last name is Scottish...Why am I telling a complete stranger this I dont’ know lol!


35 posted on 12/23/2011 12:39:41 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: LucyT

Great. Now the reconquista crowd is going to want Georgia back too.


36 posted on 12/23/2011 2:43:52 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Fresh Wind

.......I see a Mayan Casino in the not too distant future for Georgia.


37 posted on 12/23/2011 3:06:48 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: muawiyah

The comments at the link are quite contentious!


38 posted on 12/23/2011 3:14:52 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: muawiyah
Likely. You should take a look at the pictures of stone and clay tobacco pipes found buried in Mounds throughout the Ohio Valley.

Weren't those built by the Adena tribe? I don't think they had anything to do with the Mayans, who would (IMO) left something more complex than a mount of dirt.

39 posted on 12/23/2011 3:23:23 AM PST by Hacksaw (I don't hate Mormons. Is that okay?)
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To: LucyT

I have backpacked and trapised all around this area since I was a teen and have never seen any evidence of something like this anywhere. Not saying it isn’t true, but I have a geology degree and can spot man made features fairly well.


40 posted on 12/23/2011 3:47:04 AM PST by doodad
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To: oldplayer

Well said.


41 posted on 12/23/2011 4:10:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Fred Nerks; bunkerhill7; Hacksaw

Thanks!


42 posted on 12/23/2011 4:10:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Rebelbase

I’d never heard of it before, either. :’)


43 posted on 12/23/2011 4:10:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Fresh Wind

Great. Now the reconquista crowd is going to want Georgia back too.

Nah. They’ll just have the Courts appoint them Special Masters (as they did in Washington State) able to take whatever they choose which makes money.


44 posted on 12/23/2011 5:04:29 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Hacksaw
Would they? The Mayans in Yucatan lived in a karstland. Stick those same folks on top of lateric top soils surrounded by gigantic pine forests they would probably build some other way.

There are several different cultures of Mound Building in the Ohio Valley and Central South ~ including folks who were neither Adena nor Hopewell but were still building mounds when De Soto visited (1541).

The Cherokee rightly denied having built older mounds ~ they lived much further West and were new arrivals in the Southern Appalachians.

45 posted on 12/23/2011 5:14:11 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: bunkerhill7

Sounds fairly reasonable ~ lot of stuff encoded in there but Fur Shur it established the political supremacy of the women among the Iroquois.


46 posted on 12/23/2011 5:23:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: x_plus_one
Thanks. So did the Spanish.

So did the Swedes and Bretons ~ A very notable taste for the goods.

So what we have here is a site in hillycountry and there are ancient Indian works, more recent works, a modern town, and gold miners have been in the place.

This may well be one of the more important archaeological sites in North America when it comes to evidence of Spanish penetration.

At some point someone will come up with a picture of those "stones" ~ bet they are somewhat like parallelograms and look just like typical 1500s Spanish boundary stones ~ which are also sometimes quite large.

47 posted on 12/23/2011 5:27:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: radu
Right here in Fairfax County we had a number of VERY LARGE Indian settlements. One was at what is now called Fort Belvoir along the Occoquan and Potomac rivers. There were about 20,000 year round residents there ~ before European discovery these folks made their living producing POTTERY and STONEWEAR which they traded up and down the East Coast. After European discovery they switched over to making European designs.

Another area of interest is upstream above Great Falls on the Potomac ~ there were comparable numbers of Indians in that area attracted by the presence of year round fresh water even during periods of drought.

This territory changed hands many times over the centuries, but every linguistic group in North America had "places" with people there when the Spanish discovered the Western Arm of Chesapeake Bay.

Very valuable place ~ now used as the United States capital city!

48 posted on 12/23/2011 5:34:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: LucyT

Fascinating! Thanks.


49 posted on 12/23/2011 5:42:32 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: righttackle44

The Mayan people(s) used boats.


50 posted on 12/23/2011 5:43:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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