Skip to comments.Massive 1,100+ year old Maya site discovered in Georgia's mountains
Posted on 12/22/2011 7:57:09 PM PST by LucyT
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"3D virtual reality image was made from the Johannes Loubser site plan. There may be many other hidden structures in the ancient site."
Or once thought you could. ;-]
The "evidence" of what kinds of weapons were in use is the size of the points. Very small points are "darts" used in blow guns. Very large points were used on spears of the sort thrown by the Atl-Atl. Mid-sized points, which don't begin appearing in significant numbers in North America until the 600-800 period, were used on arrows (as in bow and arrow technology).
You can look at folk tales and if someone's talking about "arrows" that means later than 700 AD.
That brings us back to the question of whether or not bow and arrow tech was "spread to the Americas" by Old World visitors, or was an indigenous invention.
There were certainly plenty of opportunities for the bow and arrow to be brought here ~ so why didn't it happen? Or, was it as late as the period when the primitive Swedes obtained the design for clinker built hulls from the more advanced Sa'ami?
Rather like the chariot, upon its invention was the Viking dragon boat immediately put to use finding new Western lands?
Looks like one of two things. Either the fuel tank from a Russian space craft, or "Wilson," all grown up.
I know, an obscure reference...
Everybody knew everything
Distance was not a factor
More info on Etowah Indian Mounds with a video.
Yeah. Call a Mexican an Indian and see how froggy they get. All hopping mad. They AREN'T Indians. Just a bunch of indignant, indigent, idiotic half-breed wannabee leftovers from the Spanish RAPE of the Americas.
They can get on the return to Europe bus first. So they can sit in the back...
Why not just go with "AMERICAN"? Don't worry. You'll fit right in.
I am astounded by the interest in this article. Normally, I am followed by a modest cadre of progressive archaeologists and Native Americans. For unknown reasons, I was not able to comment on my article, but I would like to respond to some of the comments, since it is obvious that several readers are reading the comments rather than the article. The situation is getting out of hand, with numerous web sites on the internet debating comments to this article as if they were the article. Being a writer for the Examiner, I must stay in the realm of journalism and not get into pre-adolescent cat fights and personal attacks that have become commonplace in the world of blogs and social networking.
Let it suffice to say that since the simultaneous passing of several absolute giants of Southeastern archaeology in 1979, the profession has increasing stagnated, become cult-like and lost its desire to gain new knowledge. I personally heard one of the archaeologists state at a Society of Georgia Archaeology meeting, "We have learned all there is to know about the Southeastern Indians. It is time to move on to other things." Yes, it IS time for them move out of the way.
In a nutshell, this is what has happened to anthropology. It has devolved into a petty, snarling mob of idealogues who spend most of their time stabbing each other in the back so better to win their particular arguments. The appearance of the loathsome "feminist anthropology" in the 70s was the beginning, in which men are excluded from the science by feminist harpies. What a shame.
Just send them a charitable donation, they'll send another calendar...
And if you really want to tweek them tell them that as a person of Germanic ancestry, you really love their music.
Ooom pa, ooom pa, ooom pa pa pa...
They were complete pikers compared to the Inca.
The very first paragraph is complete crap.
There was no sudden collapse of the Mayan civilization. Their civilization seemed to have arisen in the southern highlands of Guatemala and then spread northwards. Over time, different city states rose and then fell (for many different reasons). El Mirador was abandoned around 150 A.D. Ceren, in El Salvador, was destroyed by a volcanic eruption around 600 A.D. Tikal and Copan fell around the mid 800's. Chichen Itza was a major regional power in 1000 A.D. Mayapan was thriving until the 1400's.
Nothing against Georgia, but I don't see the Maya hiking there for a fresh start.
Definately less boring- look at all the traditions to play with. LOL
It may be time to summon the ghost of Andrew Jackson.
I am a mix—a mutt—Irish, English, French-Canadian, German and Italian, with just a touch of Native American (Arapaho) for spice. In short—I am an American—been here since 1720.
Migration is a funny thing. The Chreokee, though famous for being in GA and NC. Like all groups, were migrants from some where else[Great Lakes].
Everyone in the world is descended from migrants. But concerning the questions in this article, the descendents of the settlers and founders of the US should only deal with those native groups with legitimate claims from the time the settlers arrived, and not with a bunch of La Raza late comers who are mostly trying to justify very recent illegal entry into the US.
Once you've got it broken up you run it through a water sluice so that the gold particles can drop to the bottom with the lighter stuff being washed away.
Somebody said you have to place the sluice at a 21 degree angle but I don't know.
In between yugas there is always great geological devastation; about 200 years long. Flooding would defninitely be in the mix. And rising waters, evidenced by large stone structures underneath the sea now being found. I must check the link you sent me! I’m tried of reading about horrible world affairs.
When there's a Bermuda High off the coast the Washington DC area becomes unsufferable. you end up with HIGH HUMIDITY and NO RAIN. I remember the Summer of 1975 ~ UNREAL!!!
Cahokia may well have been initiated by Chinese adventurers ~ in the late 1300s or there abouts. Most of the structure dates from the 1500s.
Maybe the valleys were already occupied by indigenous people, or perhaps any leaders/rulers who arrive first usurped them, and rather than fight over them, the Maya commoners chose to terrace and irrigate which they knew how to do well. One comment was that a word for house was common to the Indians living there now and to the Maya. That word seems to be similar to a word used by the Seminole Indians which I think is chikee (sp?).
Both terms..."trash", and "mutts"...are unneccessarily derogatory.
I've heard/read that severe drought may have helped end Tikal and Copan, but at the same time that they were declining, cities like Chichen Itza were becoming more powerful. The thing is, I thought the northern part of the Yucatan, where Chichen Itza is located, is drier than the rest of the peninsula.
It’s not exactly architecture to dump a bunch of dirt into a pile. Cahokia has the possible purpose of staying high and dry during spring floods, but the Ohio Valley mounds are built in various animal shapes, among other things. The mounds around here were for burials, we’re told, but alas, no human remains are found in them, just pottery and whatnot. Could be that the remains just didn’t survive, but there’s not so much as a tooth, AFAIK.
The PreColumbian Americas were characterized by the same traits found throughout the world — populations boomed, populations busted, populations moved around, people killed one another.
There’s at least two distinct tribal groups in w Michigan, the better known crossed the Lake from what’s now Wisconsin sometime in the last 300 years or so. In the Upper Peninsula, an ‘indigenous’ tribe actually came from what is now upstate NY, relocating on the basis of a shaman’s vision, and when they got there, fighting the previous residents in a struggle known in their folklore as the Rice Wars (that’s the wild rice, not Asian rice).
This is an interesting supposition but there is absolutely no peer review of his thesis anywhere to be found, and the article was badly written. When the original survey was done, why did they get someone from South Africa, for crying out loud, instead of a Mexican Mayanist? I would like to see something more competently done regarding this possible interpretation. And the commenters on the original site are waaaay out there anti-American nut jobs for the most part.
Nah, your Celt from the British Isles precludes that, not that the Scotch-Irish (and thank you by the way for spelling it correctly, “Scots-Irish” just grates on me) are looked upon in any better light outside the south and midwest, lol.
“I am a mixa muttIrish, English, French-Canadian, German and Italian, with just a touch of Native American (Arapaho) for spice. In shortI am an Americanbeen here since 1720.”
Damn, that’s a long time; you were more than 200 years old when Sociable Security came in. You had to wait a long time for that.
Maybe in your eyes, but I don’t find it derogatory. Besides even if it was it’s self-depracating. Which is usually viewed as OK. People are too touchy. Mutt simply means a mixture of nationalities. If you know of a different meaning then you can enlighten this ignoramus.
additional — Daniels states that he’d reached the same conclusion independently.
Has an 1100 year old Mayan site been discovered in the Georgia mountains?
Gary Daniels, Atlanta Road Trip Travel Examiner
December 23, 2011
for a follow-up.
Check out Link at # 93.
In fact, researcher Douglas Peck has noted that when Spanish explorer Ponce de Leon encountered the indigenous people of south Florida they were not only aware of the Yucatan peninsula and the civilizations that existed there but were able to give him exact navigational headings by which to reach it. This would only be possible if there had been contact between the Yucatan and Florida.
Thanks for the ping, LucyT.
And thanks for posting that link, SunkenCiv & Theoria.
Lotsa links to follow up on in the article so it’s saved in Faves for further perusal. Very interesting stuff. I’m champin’ at the bit for a road trip!