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Sniper Detectors Coming to America's Heartland
Foxnews ^ | December 22, 2011 | | Allison Barrie

Posted on 12/23/2011 5:34:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Gunshots ring out in the dead of night, and not a single person reports it. Yet police know exactly where the shots came from, even before they arrive on the scene.

It sounds like a scene from The Minority Report, but it's real. A new technology called ShotSpotter enables law enforcement officials to precisely and instantaneously locate shooters, and it has been quietly rolling out across America. From Long Island, N.Y., to San Francisco, Calif., more than 60 cities in the U.S. have been leveraging ShotSpotter to make their streets safer.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Science
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1 posted on 12/23/2011 5:34:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv; ShadowAce; Marine_Uncle; NormsRevenge

fyi


2 posted on 12/23/2011 5:35:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m sure that someone will figure out that a person with a box of medium sized firecrackers in a car will be able to wreak havoc with the police. Another of those over-sold, high cost technical solutions that will prove to be worthless.


3 posted on 12/23/2011 5:43:44 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A wearable detection system built into a vest?? For what, that large potential market of deaf police officers?


4 posted on 12/23/2011 5:45:44 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

5 posted on 12/23/2011 5:48:50 PM PST by Bobalu (even Jesus knew the poor would always be with us)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Networked.
GPS-reliant.
Sound waveform pattern analysis to determine caliber.

I can think of several ways to defeat this system.
And I’m just an average idiot citizen.


6 posted on 12/23/2011 5:51:50 PM PST by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: dadgum

Guess we will see how it works out.


7 posted on 12/23/2011 5:54:51 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

More law enforcement on the streets could be had by designing a donut-carrier, belt-mounted.


8 posted on 12/23/2011 5:55:20 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Tactics of Quintus Fabius Maximus, Cunctator : coming to a city near you.

QFB was the father of “shoot and scoot” warfare.


9 posted on 12/23/2011 6:09:01 PM PST by wrench
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wonder if it will detect firecrackers and auto backfires.


10 posted on 12/23/2011 6:12:47 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: ArmstedFragg
If you have enough officers wearing them and you know their exact location, by measuring the time it takes each system to detect the shot, you have a pretty good idea where the shot came from
11 posted on 12/23/2011 6:15:01 PM PST by jmcenanly (Things will be better in 2013)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Does this mean that our overlords are getting nervous about the people deciding to “vote from the rooftops” then?


12 posted on 12/23/2011 6:16:17 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Subscription based service at a cost of up to $60,000/square mile. So, Houston, (and not the suburbs) would cost about $38,000,000/year to use this system? Uh huh....


13 posted on 12/23/2011 6:17:01 PM PST by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...more than 60 cities in the U.S. have been leveraging ShotSpotter to make their streets safer...

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/22/sniper-detectors-coming-to-americas-heartland/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1hPhW2euX

BS. It is in no way making the streets safer. Does it stop shootings? No? Does it apprehend criminals? No? Does it deter crime in any way? No? Then just how in the name of honest journalism can anyone claim it is making the streets safer?

Average code-3 response time here is 9 to 10 minutes. So even if this system works as advertised, 100% of the time... Do you really expect criminals to sit around and have a latte after killing someone? The very name "drive-by shooting" means a mobile perpetrator. Sure, a zillion dollars spent and it may catch a handful of stupid and/or unlucky criminals. Wow, big return, we couldn't possibly have used that money for something meaningful like, oh, I don't know SECURING THE BORDER FROM ILLEGALS or anything... ;-/

14 posted on 12/23/2011 6:17:11 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If they have this system installed in the city of Detroit, it’s going to be very busy around midnight next Saturday night...;


15 posted on 12/23/2011 6:18:02 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
it has been quietly rolling out across America

Well, that is good that they are being quiet about it. Otherwise, the bad guys might find out.

Shhhhhhhhh

Don't tell anyone.

Maybe the bad guys don't watch FoxNews or read Freerepublic.com. If they do, we're sunk.
16 posted on 12/23/2011 6:22:30 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They would save a lot of money if they’d just put a cop on every block of MLK Boulevard.


17 posted on 12/23/2011 6:26:37 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: ThunderSleeps
The only things that work are measures to remove chronic criminals from the population, by either long prison terms, death, or deportation. The money spent on this system would get more bang-for-the-buck by being spent on deportation and prison space.

One thing that would greatly reduce crime would be an enhancement of "Stand your ground": if a citizen with no criminal record shoots somebody with a felony record in self defense, the prosecutor must demonstrate, to the standard of "clear and convincing evidence" to the grand jury that it was NOT self-defense, otherwise the citizen is immediately "no-billed".

18 posted on 12/23/2011 6:26:37 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Travis McGee; Jack Black; ATLDiver; Joe Brower

Interesting tech deployment ping.


19 posted on 12/23/2011 6:29:38 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: PapaBear3625

I like it, I would support that. I’d expand self-defense to reasonable defense of another person that you perceive to be in mortal danger.


20 posted on 12/23/2011 6:36:20 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

The sensors feed computers that can tell firecrackers from pistols from rifles, almost to their calibers, by their acoustic signatures.


21 posted on 12/23/2011 6:41:55 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FreedomPoster

Yep. Our troops are using it in A-stan, I wonder what they think about it?


22 posted on 12/23/2011 6:43:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

My best friend is an IT type and was working for the city of Minneapolis at the time when shot spotter came on line. He was instrumental in setting it up and coordination between police, the county sheriff and fire and rescue. It’s been in service a couple of years now and it works very well.


23 posted on 12/23/2011 6:48:47 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (...And I'm All Out Of Gum.)
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To: rabidralph

Lol, that’s the funny and ironic fact about MLK Boulevard in every city in America. It’s usually where all the crime is. I just don’t get how they could forget that MLK was a Republican.


24 posted on 12/23/2011 6:48:59 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Travis McGee

You read the article!!

;-)


25 posted on 12/23/2011 6:50:18 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (...And I'm All Out Of Gum.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So what will prevent people who want to commit crime using guns, purchase guns that silencers can be attached. Always seems to be some catch twenty two.


26 posted on 12/23/2011 6:54:26 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Actually, no, but I’ve read other articles about the tech going back several years.


27 posted on 12/23/2011 6:57:54 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Place the firecracker in a piece of tubing and set it off. Drill a hole in a fence pole and put a firecracker in and set it off. Use a firecracker obtained from a fireworks unit (the kind that goes up and then goes bang, bang, ... They are about 2 inches long and about 1/2 to 1 inch in diameter. Measure the accoustics and tell me which shotgun made the sound. I’ll give you a hint that we did it as kids and it doesn’t sound like firecrackers going off.


28 posted on 12/23/2011 7:09:44 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

sounds to me like a good project for hacking, maybe all the shots start coming from Public Servants Homes.


29 posted on 12/23/2011 7:10:06 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: RetiredTexasVet
Another of those over-sold, high cost technical solutions that will prove to be worthless.

There was another article today about how many of surveillance cameras installed by the L. A. Police do not work; some not even being hooked up.

30 posted on 12/23/2011 7:16:10 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

1. No police officer will go in on a shooting without backup.

2. by the time back up gets there the shooter is long gone.


31 posted on 12/23/2011 7:21:11 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Travis McGee

Even better.


32 posted on 12/23/2011 7:28:08 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (...And I'm All Out Of Gum.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Especially with a filterless cigarette as a slow fuse as a distraction(s).


33 posted on 12/23/2011 7:35:10 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A big chunk of steel,

A drill press

And then a small amount of fabrication you have a remote controlled universal firing block, it has no effective barrel, its basic as can be and disposable, it could have just a mecanical timer to operate a spring loaded firing pin.

It fires any kind of pistol or rifle round.

And then assuming hundreds are set off simultaneously, just how would this detection system work?

Hell I could make one with a block of hardwood, a cardboard tube and a candle, oh and some fishing line and a nail.
Round block of wood is in a concrete form tube, piece of fishing line goes through two drilled holes. When a candle burns to a certain point it melts line, wood with rifle round that was stuck in a drilled hole drops onto a striker just like a mortar round.

Of course I am just spouting theoretical nonsense here.


34 posted on 12/23/2011 7:46:07 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Castigo Cay by Matt Bracken, check it out. And his other works.)
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To: struggle; rabidralph

Chris Rock on MLK Blvd. Language warning, of course.

http://www.hark.com/clips/swxzmbndkj-martin-luther-king-boulevard


35 posted on 12/23/2011 8:12:55 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: eyeamok

LOL! Wireless speakers on every rooftop.


36 posted on 12/23/2011 8:21:00 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Daffynition
A new technology called ShotSpotter enables law enforcement officials to precisely and instantaneously locate shooters, and it has been quietly rolling out across America.

MADD is out of control!


37 posted on 12/23/2011 8:25:33 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: PapaBear3625

“One thing that would greatly reduce crime would be an enhancement of “Stand your ground”: if a citizen with no criminal record shoots somebody with a felony record in self defense, the prosecutor must demonstrate, to the standard of “clear and convincing evidence” to the grand jury that it was NOT self-defense, otherwise the citizen is immediately “no-billed”.”

Why not add a bounty? They worked for much of America’s history.


38 posted on 12/23/2011 8:54:02 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: jmcenanly

I suspect you’d also need to know which way the sensor was facing.

Around here, the guys use these things called “ears”. Two or three of them can usually pin the noise to within a block, and by the time they get there a neighbor has called in to complain. Most of the serious shots fired calls involve a fleeing vehicle, and the crooks don’t usually do a lot of shooting while they’re making their escape. There was one guy that did that, but he had ten officers behind him and a copter overhead.


39 posted on 12/24/2011 1:46:17 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How long do they figure a sniper hangs around after taking a shot?


40 posted on 12/24/2011 2:12:15 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Cops are now going to be sent to “shots fired” scenes more than ever. This means they will likely have their nervous hands on their weapons a whole lot more than ever. These are strange days.


41 posted on 12/24/2011 2:14:31 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: dadgum

Subscription based service at a cost of up to $60,000/square mile. So, Houston, (and not the suburbs) would cost about $38,000,000/year to use this system? Uh huh....

I haven’t lived in Houston in a long time, but I still know a lot of places to stay away from. You don’t saturate the entire city, just problem areas


42 posted on 12/24/2011 3:10:22 AM PST by Figment
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To: rabidralph

True


43 posted on 12/24/2011 3:12:36 AM PST by Figment
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

After watching countless law enforcement TV shows. ‘Manhunter’ in particular, as they show the disposition of the case, it’s obvious the justice system is a revolving door.

Criminals with rap sheets pages long, armed robbery,assaults, illegal guns, etc. being let out on parole after serving 50% or less of a light sentence.

Then they stop reporting to the P.O. and are in the wind.
They get rearrested maybe years later and are sentenced to 90 days or some ridiculous time.
What happened to having to serve the remainder of the sentence plus time for running?

The answer is overcrowding. “We don’t have the money to build more prisons”.
BS! It’s priorities.

Politicians don’t care. They are insulated from having to live with the peons.


44 posted on 12/24/2011 5:02:31 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: ThunderSleeps
BS. It is in no way making the streets safer. Does it stop shootings? No? Does it apprehend criminals? No? Does it deter crime in any way? No? Then just how in the name of honest journalism can anyone claim it is making the streets safer?
Thank you for posting that Thunder. I thought exactly that but this time read the thread BEFORE typing. You saved my clumsy fingers a lot of time. I'd like to add a comment...
“If You Fire a Gun, We Will Find You.”
Not necessarily. They'll know where the shot was fired but not where the shooter is unless the shooter sticks around and wait for the police to show up. Remember what Robert Culp's character told Raquel Welch's character in `Hannie Caulder': shoot, then MOVE. Don't just stand there.
45 posted on 12/24/2011 6:40:01 AM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Does this mean that our overlords are getting nervous about the people deciding to “vote from the rooftops” then?”

I think you are correct.


46 posted on 12/24/2011 10:42:51 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Figment
You don’t saturate the entire city, just problem areas

Talk about Minority Report!

Where is the ACLU? Where is the SPLC and the Black Caucus?
Are they just going to stand by and put up with this discrimination? /s

47 posted on 12/24/2011 1:28:56 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Hell around midnight in any major metro area . But places like Detroit the system will literally claim that the entire city is a war zone.


48 posted on 12/26/2011 10:34:26 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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