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Are the benefits of vitamin D overhyped?
WebMD ^ | 12/19/11 | Brenda Goodman

Posted on 12/23/2011 7:15:07 PM PST by Pining_4_TX

Another day, and another vitamin has failed to live up to all of its hype. This time it’s vitamin D.

The reality check is coming from two new research reviews published in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

The reviews, which looked at hundreds of previous studies of the “sunshine vitamin,” conclude that there’s little evidence that vitamin D protects against cancer or heart disease.

They also show that vitamin D doesn’t prevent fractures when it’s taken alone. Pairing vitamin D with extra calcium does appear to help prevent broken bones in the elderly, however.

“For many years, the enthusiasm for vitamin D has outpaced the evidence,” says JoAnn Manson, MD, DrPH, who heads the division of preventive medicine at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston.

“The evidence is actually fairly thin,” especially for any benefits beyond bone health, she says.

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This information is based on supplements. I do believe there are benefits to getting D from sun exposure on a regular basis. Can't prove it, though. ;-)
1 posted on 12/23/2011 7:15:22 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

Glad I do not go to this IDIOT doctor....there are several kinds of “Vitamin D”......D3 is the one you need.....


2 posted on 12/23/2011 7:18:19 PM PST by goodnesswins (Banning Christmas (and Christmas decorations) is something that commies do.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
The only two times I've been sick in the last two years were the two times I ran out of vitamin D3 and was waiting for my order to arrive. Coincidence?
3 posted on 12/23/2011 7:18:24 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I swear, every year it’s something different. Every year, scientists whose speciality is the internet suddenly discover that the answer has been here all along! Simple, obvious... Ancient Chinese Secret!


4 posted on 12/23/2011 7:18:57 PM PST by wizardoz
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To: goodwithagun

Possibly psychosomatic. I don’t take any vitamin supplements and I haven’t been sick in quite a while. I try to eat lots of fruits and vegetables, though.


5 posted on 12/23/2011 7:21:45 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Pining_4_TX

Not to worry.. as soon as Big Pharm can give the Congress enough money and all vitamins and supplements are belong to them — the vitamins and supplements will once again be great! and cost 10 times as much.


6 posted on 12/23/2011 7:24:45 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Signalman

EVERYONE is different........My paternal Grandfather died in his sleep at age 50.....got it? (He was NOT overweight) I will do whatever I can, including taking vitamins and supplements, AND eating healthy, which I have done since I was about 2....but, I almost ended up in a wheelchair at age 52 due to what the docs THOUGHT was Rheum Arthritis....it wasn’t.....bio-ID hormones, vit/supplements, etc....make me FINE. Thank you for playing.


7 posted on 12/23/2011 7:25:36 PM PST by goodnesswins (Banning Christmas (and Christmas decorations) is something that commies do.)
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To: goodwithagun
Same here. Several of my friends have been tested for vitamin D deficiency and were given mega doses to bring their level to normal levels. I have a vitamin D test scheduled but don't think that is my problem. Cancer hospitals are giving vitamin D in their patient therapy. I believe it's a valuable treatment for heart disease and cancer.

Sure sounds like the same theories that were pushed before the Feds took Avastin off the market.

8 posted on 12/23/2011 7:25:36 PM PST by mia
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To: mia

I have heard they also give a large dose of Vit D3 if someone admits to a hospital with a heart attack...


9 posted on 12/23/2011 7:26:39 PM PST by goodnesswins (Banning Christmas (and Christmas decorations) is something that commies do.)
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To: mia

can you get D and D3 from drinking milk?

I used to drink a lot when i was younger and felt great

I stopped drinking milk for many years and did not feel as good, i thought it was just age

Then I started drinking it again and I feel good

almost a quart a day. I think I read somewhere that you know you are getting enough vitamin D if you start having more vivid dreams and remember them (which I have certainly noticed)

I almost replace meals with milk. and I gave up coffee and drink tea with honey too - started losing weight


10 posted on 12/23/2011 7:31:18 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

>> “Are the benefits of vitamin D overhyped?” <<

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Definitely not!

But it has to be D3.

Phony article!


11 posted on 12/23/2011 7:32:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Signalman

Well my son is now three and he was on his children’s liquid dose that he didn’t even know he was getting. He was completely fine and my husband and I were having issues out of both ends.


12 posted on 12/23/2011 7:34:51 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: editor-surveyor

And the dosage has to be sufficient, too. Half of these studies don’t give enough of a supplement to help a Chihuahua pup and then they’re surprised when there are no dramatic effects.


13 posted on 12/23/2011 7:35:13 PM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Long time tennis player in Sunny east-bay of Contra Costa County. Would play for approx. 3 hours 5 - 6 times a week.

After having a blood test for the first time, my vit. D level
was 11 where the low and high was 30 - 60. So l was put on vitamin D 4000 units. Year later l’m showing 35 which is in the normal low range.


14 posted on 12/23/2011 7:45:28 PM PST by topspinr
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To: Signalman
I don’t take any vitamin supplements and I haven’t been sick in quite a while.

I take vitamin supplements generally because they are mixed up with the aspirin when I'm hunting for the headache/hangover fix.

I'm gonna die. Ugly. It's foretold in the writings.

But when, fergoshsakes?

Tequila, stewed tomatoes and de-salted herring for breakfast on Sundays and I still live?

Is there no mercy?

I'll take it as it comes, not expect to live forever, and hit knees to gratefully ack what has been given to me so far.

TYJ.

/johnny

15 posted on 12/23/2011 7:48:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: topspinr
After having a blood test for the first time,

If you are over the age of 10, and folks around aren't freaking out about getting a blood test (can they?, with collapsed veins? Tune in later...), and asking how to set the broken bones... You don't play hard enough.

Play hard, live good, be good, and give the family stories to tell after you are gone. ;)

/johnny

16 posted on 12/23/2011 7:53:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: goodnesswins

......D3 is the one you need.....

Yes. I take 5000 IU daily.


17 posted on 12/23/2011 7:56:06 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: goodwithagun
The only two times I've been sick in the last two years were the two times I ran out of vitamin D3 and was waiting for my order to arrive. Coincidence?

Here's a coincidence. I took D3 the last two years also, and didn't have a significant cold either winter. Usually I get a couple. A doctor friend of mine suggested I try it.

18 posted on 12/23/2011 7:56:21 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pining_4_TX

My levels were low normal and my doctor put me on Vit D. He told me if I could get my levels higher I might have a bit more energy. At my last lab test, my level had risen to 43, and I do think I feel somewhat better. Also, it seems like I am not having the allergy problems I used to, and I have not been sick in a long time.


19 posted on 12/23/2011 8:00:09 PM PST by mtrott
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To: Pining_4_TX

Don’t waste your time with WEB MD or the other medical establishments Quacks. They are all about fear, and the lie that you cannot heal yourself.

All they want to do is over prescribe you pills in order to keep you sick and broke. Don’t waste your time. The truth is in plain view.


20 posted on 12/23/2011 8:05:42 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: topspinr

4000IU pf D3 is not nearly enough to help you get up to where you should be....my doc wants me 50-60....I am taking about 12,000IU this winter....but, I believe I may need it more due to some hereditary issue....don’t know for a fact...just sense it. Will get tested in spring to see if I’ve come up.


21 posted on 12/23/2011 8:07:44 PM PST by goodnesswins (Banning Christmas (and Christmas decorations) is something that commies do.)
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To: Mr. K

From various sources:

There are two sources of vitamin D, it is made in the skin by exposure to sunlight and there are a few dietary sources, such as oily fish, eggs, and fortified foods including margarine (which is required by law to contain vitamin D), some yogurts and breakfast cereals. There is very little vitamin D in milk and in fact only trace amounts and in the UK milk is not fortified with vitamin D.

Milk contains all the vitamins required by mammals. The fat soluble vitamins, A, D, E, and K, are found primarily in the milk fat; milk has limited amounts of vitamin K. The B vitamins are found in the aqueous phase of milk. Fluid milk in the US is fortified with additional vitamin D. Vitamin A is also added to milk in some other countries.

Vitamins are essential organic compounds required in the diet. Most are not synthesized in the animal (there is some synthesis by the microflora in the intestine). Therefore, milk levels can be influenced by dietary levels. Milk contains all of the B vitamins and fat-soluble vitamins, except perhaps vitamin K.

The fat soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) are associated with the milk fat globule.

Vitamin A : retinol : Yellow milk fat of Guernsey cows is due to lower efficiency of conversion of ß-carotene to retinol. In some countries milk is fortified with vitamin A.

Vitamin D : antirachitic activity : Involved in bone metabolism, Ca absorption in the intestine, and has other tissue functions. Milk is often fortified with vitamin D.

Vitamin E : tocopherol : Antioxidant, protects lipids. Only low levels are present in milk.


22 posted on 12/23/2011 8:08:51 PM PST by mia
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To: mia

Just this week I got a call from my doctor’s office telling me my Vitamin D was extremely low. I just started taking supplements last week but apparently, they want me to take a prescription strength Vitamin D.


23 posted on 12/23/2011 8:09:36 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: JRandomFreeper

Vitamin B12 works pretty well for that hangover.


24 posted on 12/23/2011 8:10:17 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: ChocChipCookie

Well, I’m going to do whatever my doctor suggests. I believe in holistic medicine as much as possible. Have been taking fish oil for a year or so and my blood pressure dropped to normal levels. Feel great.


25 posted on 12/23/2011 8:12:57 PM PST by mia
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To: Sprite518
2 years ago, on the 9th of Dec... (2009) I was bleeding out, hypothermic, and had frost bite of the extremities.

I can't fix a ruptured spleen and kidney (left side hit during a blizzard).

But I do appreciate the docs that removed those bloody pulps, kept me open long enough to stop the rest of the bleeders (except the one in the left lung, and they finally found that one. Ouch. Chest tube. Wide awake..) and kept me alive.

I play hard, I hurt hard. 3 broken ribs, 1 fractured vert, one ruptured spleen and trashed left kidney. 17 units of blood. 2 weeks in ICU or TC.

Doc said I looked like a gut-shot deer when he got in there. They called the family, and the family dragged my coffin off the shelf.

Family did, however, leave it on the workbench for me to put back up.

I can't heal everything that vexes me. And my MDs don't want to see me sick and broke.

Paint with a less broad brush next time.

/johnny

26 posted on 12/23/2011 8:15:41 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Sprite518
Is why I drink beer I make... What do you suppose B12 comes from? Yeast? Go figure.

/johnny

27 posted on 12/23/2011 8:17:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: goodnesswins
D3 is the one you need

That.

28 posted on 12/23/2011 8:19:51 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“After having a blood test for the first time,”

Should have said first time blood test for vitamin D levels.

Granted, l should have had it done 30 plus years ago. But who
knew?


29 posted on 12/23/2011 8:22:05 PM PST by topspinr
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To: Pining_4_TX

Deficient vitamin D levels is deadly. I guess testing for vitamin D in RomneyCare Massachusetts is more expensive than letting someone die.
Nice ‘research’.


30 posted on 12/23/2011 8:24:03 PM PST by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: topspinr
"Come on, you apes. You wanna live forever?"

I think the first recorded documentation of that was at the Walls of Troy.

Sergeants have been using it ever since. I certainly did, with a short story about Troy. Everybody knows about the Trojan Horse....

What good is a life that's not lived, with gusto?

/johnny

31 posted on 12/23/2011 8:28:56 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: TigersEye

ping


32 posted on 12/23/2011 8:32:50 PM PST by pandoraou812 (I have a very firm grasp on reality! I can reach out and strangle it any time!)
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To: topspinr
My D3 blood level was a 6. Mega dosing brought it up to normal range. At 6, I ached in every bone and joint. When reached appropriate level, felt great. March through October are the only times I can get appropriate levels from the sun. So, I take supplements the rest of the time. Also, it is nearly impossible to get appropriate D3 levels from any food sources.

Vitamin D Council has lots of good info; explains the 25-hydroxyvitamin D, or 25(OH)D, test necessary to determine D3 level and deficiency.

33 posted on 12/23/2011 8:51:58 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: ottbmare

My doctor prescribed 2000 units of D3 a day because mine was slightly low last year. Is that a big dose, small dose???? I haven’t had a blood test lately to see if I have brought my level up.


34 posted on 12/23/2011 8:55:02 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

It’s five times the silly “RDA” or “recommended daily allowance.” Whether it’s appropriate or not is impossible to figure. No one could say without knowing what your baseline was, what your level is now, how much sunlight you get, where you live, how you dress, how much pigmentation you have in your skin, and such factors.


35 posted on 12/23/2011 8:57:26 PM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I cannot personally put much stock in these “studies.”

Four years ago I started taking 5000 iu of D3 daily. I have not been sick a day since. Anecdotal? You betcha! Am I going to stop? Would you?

IMHO, Vit D3 capsules from Wal*Mart are cheap insurance.


36 posted on 12/23/2011 8:59:49 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

D-3 insufficiency has been positively related to affective disorders. Without going into detail, I now supplement at 10,000 IU/day. My labs test low average, but I feel alive again. The USRDA for D-3 is a joke.


37 posted on 12/23/2011 9:03:41 PM PST by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

It is not overhyped. Not every form of D is as good as another. Making it naturally generally is the best way.

Vitamin D is naturally made in the body by exposing skin to sunlight. The body converts cholesterol into vitamin D.

You want lower cholesterol and more D? Get decent sun exposure every day without sunscreen. A little time in the morning and a little in mid/late afternoon.


38 posted on 12/23/2011 9:13:53 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

No. Quality of life on an optimum dose of Vitamin D is 200% better. I used to think it was normal to get colds, flus, or stomach viruses. Since I tested myself repeatedly to reach the optimum dose for health for me, I have never once gotten sick, including during pregnancy when sometimes you will be a “better host” for viruses because part of your immune system is “relaxed” to support the little one.

I can on;y imagine the cancer prevention.

You’d be a fool not to get tested and titrate your dose until you get over 50, better over 60. You are asking for illness without it. Screw what your doctor says, seriously. They NEVER ask about it and test for it. They just let you get flus and pneumonias and every cold known to man. You simply wont catch them on Vitamin D (except I am sure for really rundown people).


39 posted on 12/23/2011 9:14:49 PM PST by Yaelle (Excuse the mobile device errors please.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

From what I’ve read, there is NO WAY they can deny the link between low sun exposure (due to climate and/or latitude) and various neuropathies like MS.

There also seems to be a high correlation with low Vit D levels and some of the deadliest internal cancers.

These clowns need to actually read the science. They have created radioactively tagged vitamin D3 and then used it in folks and mapped out where it ends up.
Vitamin D has THOUSANDS of receptor points in the body, it’s used all over the place.


40 posted on 12/23/2011 9:15:12 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: goodnesswins

And in reality, 12,000 IU isn’t that much. Considering the body can produce 50,000 IU in about half an hour exposing skin to afternoon sunlight.


41 posted on 12/23/2011 9:16:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Ditter

Very low dose.

Your body can make 50,000 IU in half an hour with lots of skin exposed to afternoon sun.


42 posted on 12/23/2011 9:19:50 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: djf

Vitamin D is a whole body immune system booster.


43 posted on 12/23/2011 9:20:30 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I had a website bookmarked a few years back where someone described early studies of skin cancer.

Doctors had noted that people who had skin cancer (presumably from sun exposure) who had not gotten to the metastatic stage RARELY had any of the other more deadly internal forms of cancer.

There are clinical studies in progress of a substance that can cure pretty much ALL KNOWN CANCERS and it is Vitamin D - immune system related.


44 posted on 12/23/2011 9:26:51 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I have spent a life time in the sun, horseback riding, gardening, fishing but now at age 71 I spend very little or no time in the sun. I am surprised that at my last check up I was only slightly low.


45 posted on 12/23/2011 9:30:42 PM PST by Ditter
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To: djf

Intravenous Vitamin C is also really awesome.


46 posted on 12/23/2011 9:35:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: mia

Milk is supplemented with an artificial version of Vitamin D which acts differently. It binds Magnesium, which results in acid reflux. And you all know how much $$$ the pharma makes from acid reflux. The MDs don’t want you on the real thing.


47 posted on 12/23/2011 9:40:24 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Pining_4_TX

Some of us can’t get enough from the sun to make any difference.The doctor told me I could sit in the sun for 12 hours and not get anything except a sun burn since I don’t process it right.


48 posted on 12/23/2011 9:47:56 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: mia

If you are deficient in Vitamin D as soon as they give you the prescription surf it will be like someone flipped a switch in your body.The first one I took I went form feeling like I needed a nap to feeling like I could run around the block.My level was down into the single digits when normal is 50 or above.


49 posted on 12/23/2011 9:52:01 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: ChocChipCookie

If you D is really low it can indicate issues with processing the vitamin D.I have those issues and had been told that the vitamin form of D3 has been processed so those of us like me can process it properly.It isn’t expensive I pay $24 for 6 packs of 5 10,000iu.I take 2 a week.


50 posted on 12/23/2011 10:08:33 PM PST by chris_bdba
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