Skip to comments.Mosin Nagant table-top review and comparison to an American standard
Posted on 12/27/2011 5:25:21 PM PST by dynachrome
OperatorERROR shows us the options we have for sniperizers. He compairs and shoots the American made SOCOM16 vs the Mosin Nagant
Developed prior to World War... the Crusades.
ping. Some mosin mania for yer pleasure
Let me step back 15 or 20 meters... Not quite interchangeable.
Yeah, I had no idea the Confederacy used ‘em! :)
I’m going to have to take this rifle back to The SEALS, where I borrowed it from, the ones at Disneyland . .
That feller knows his guns real good, alright.
Both 7.62 by ...
51 - 54, difference of three, whatever - don’t matter.
Well, the Crusaders were a little loose with their tolerances on bore size.
Bump for review of pre revolutionary Russian army rifle.
The fella looks like he's shooting at my favorite gun club in Puyallup, WA.
Probably not, but looks darn similar.
That old Russian rifle sure kicked him harder than the .308.
some Mosin fun
You, and at least one other FReeper on this thread, have no sense of humor. The guy is a comedian, one with a straight faced delivery. You should have figured that out at least by the time he was showing you his “wind gauge” on his hat.
“old Russian rifle sure kicked him “
Try one of the carbines some time:
“#9: Mosin-Nagant M44
Speaking of guns without safeties, here’s the Mosin-Nagant M44
Carbine from Russia. The Mosin was used by the Russians against
the Finns, the Finns against the Russians, the Estonians
against the Russians, the Russians against the Russians, and
the Russians against the Germans. It does, in fact, have a
safety, but it’s quite hard to engage. But this is not a
complaint one would ever voice in the Red Army. Your officer
would reply, “Safety? Safety? Is gun! Meant to kill! No warrior
should know he has safety on gun, because he should be killing
enemies of homeland! Safety make loud click to aid enemy in
locating warriors! No safety!” while pounding his fist on the
And the Mosin can kill enemies of homeland. The muzzle blast
will vaporize green growth within a few feet of the muzzle, and
even if you miss, the enemy will be reduced to shouting “WHAT?”
to communicate. You’ll need a recoil pad or shooting jacket.
Ordinarily, this might be considered unmanly, but this rifle
has a short stock for using while wearing several layers of
wool for a Russian winter. It is acceptable to wear padding to
fire a Mosin.
Of course, there are also M38, 91/30 and other variations of
Mosin-Nagant and all are cool. All, also (except the M38), come
with a bayonet. Russian doctrine held that the bayonet was
mounted except while traveling in a vehicle, because the
Russians understood that an empty rifle could still be a pointy
sticka Viking spear. The Russians loved to spear Turks. So,
coincidentally, did the Vikings. This rifle sounds better all
the time, doesn’t it? The Finns used the Mosin as a sniper
rifle during the Winter War, and their greatest Sniper was Simo
Häyhä, who had 500 confirmed kills in 100 days. This is a man
the Finns describe as “modest” and “self-effacing.” It’s a good
thing the Russians didn’t run into a Finn who was proud and
arrogant. They’d have been wiped out.
It fires a 7.62X54R (for “Rimmed”) cartridge, about as powerful
as .30-06, and holds the distinction of being in service from
1891 to the present, longer than any other military cartridge.
It is still used in Dragunovs, PKMs and other Russian weapons.
It’s cheap in quantity. So are the rifles, because they were
built for (all variations) over 70 years, by Russia, Finland,
Poland, Romania, even the US. As I write this, arsenal-new M44s
are $55 to $200. At that price, you should have several, so any
guests you have during the Collapse can be outfitted as they
receive Enlightenment. Then they can rape, kill, sack and loot
with the rest of the men who secure a new Dark Ages to hasten
the new renaissance. It will be a manly duty.”
Simo Häyhä (during WWII along the Kollaa River in Finland)
“The White Death” - World’s Greatest Sniper
He used the Mosin Nagant M28
But, also the Suomi K31 SMG submachine gun.
What ever works.
The Finns accurized their rifles. If you can find a finned 91/30 for a reasonable price , they are nice shooters (I don’t have one, just a M39 or two which are very accurate) regular 91/30s for $100 +/-
http://www.7.62x54r.net = all things mosin
Thanks for the link.
Thanks for the link.
I love all that crap strapped on his vest
For several years I have considered “building” a custom Ruger No. 1 with other than stock barrel for “long range” accuracy.
I love the falling block action and have no problem with single shot rifles.
Well placed, 1 shot will do the job.
You can EASILY get folks attention at 500yds. Or 50 yards.
I figure aimed, accurate, fire can beat “spray and pray”
Scoping a basic 91/30 is relatively cheap. The scope is where you want to spend a bit. Drill, tap, bent bolt and compare to a modern hunting rifle. (me, I don’t like altering ‘em, but heck, 5 million or so of the 91/30s were made)
The old 50 cal. (plus) Sharps were fine rifles in their day.
Modern version should be devastating.
Here's a quick summary of a great story.
When Rhodesia was in the process of becoming Zimbabwe, the existing White government was cut off from the world's arms supplies. They had an ammo shortage.
From on high came orders to shoot any man who went full auto in any combat situation.
Every soldier, each and every one, became a far more effective killer.
A standard 180 or 240 round load per man was usually far more than necessary.
These soldiers became greatly feared...not unlike a US Marine.
Everyone in the world KNOWS every US Marine is a rifleman first.
Well, everyone 'cept members of the US Army.
That would befun for sure. K98 and SMLE would be accurate out of the box,as it were, the mosin would probably need a bit of work.
I wouldn’t put a scope on one of those venerable old killing machines. It’d be an insult to it’s legacy.
Yeah, we Army guys know they're Squid-borne Rangers. ;)
Not unless I find an ex-sniper marked one, then I might try a restoration.
“You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.’
From personal experience: stay away from lacquered ammo!
Things you know if you own a ...
AK: It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
You buy cheap ammo by the case.
AR 15: You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
Mosin Nagant: It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
You can hit the farm from two counties over.
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.
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Mosins are AWESOME!!
You can choose between a short, sexy blond with fire in her belly and beautiful jump in her step or you can go for a long, tall, dark beauty that loves to be held and caressed.
Silky smooth actions and best of all - CHEAP DATES!!
It you ever get a batch of Commie surplus ammo that causes the weapon to jam, discard the rest of the ammo. The Soviets had a machine gun that fired 7.62 x 54R ammo, but they loaded it a lot hotter than 7.62 x 54R rifle ammo.
Well Soldier, I'm glad to see the US Army knows its place.
It's place is winning real, no-shit wars.
Chow halls. Hospitals. Latrines and Showers.
The Marines aren't big enough, or comfortable enough for such luxury:)
Yes, they can shoot too.
And as you well know, some soldiers can't shoot. It's not culturally essential as it is in the USMC.
Hmmm. I've heard that more than once in my travels overseas.
The Model-39 with a standard bore of .312" is one of the most accurate battle rifles ever fielded. Before it could be put into service, each one had to be capable of a 1.3 inch group at 100 meters. When they were sighted in at the armory they were fitted with individual front sight blades of different heights as required for each rifle. The height was so stamped on top of the wide blade post sight and at the sight base. IRRC, the Model-39 was the only battle rifle fielded in WW2 that front sight was easily adjustable for windage in the field. On the front sight left windage adjusting screw, it is surrounded by 8 dots, each dot represents one minute of angle at 100 meters. The rear sight has small lightly stamped crosses beneath the left and right sliding surfaces. And it was woe to any Finnish trooper who dast put a file to either the front or rear sight.
My Model-39 was built on the receiver from a Russian Mosin Nagant made in 1914, captured by the Germans (receiver so stamped) in WWI, then sold or given to the Finns. All the Finnish barreled rifles from 1918 until the 1950s were built on a captured or bought Russian MN receiver, as the Finns never made any receivers. If the ammo is any good, my Model-39 and Eastern Bloc rounds with the superb issue iron sights, can shoot one inch groups all day long at 100 yards.
I heard Jesus carried a Mosin.
Get your bolt bent to handle a scope (cheap). Put a slip on recoil pad (small works fine) for $10 or so. Get a decent mount for $20. Get a cheap Barksa 4-24X scope for under $50 and enjoy blowing away oil cans at 400 yds. Bulgarian 182gr machine gun ammo can be had for $6 a box of 20. It has increased recoil but hits very hard.
Most stiff MN milsurp fired cartridge extraction is because some people never get the cosmoline completely cleaned from the chamber. (nor the bore for that matter) Then if fired much and cooked in, it can become an hours long project to get it clean at times.
Mmmm. I think maybe I did detect a wee bit of humor.
OperatorERROR might have been the first clue.
Whatever. It ain’t steak sauce.
“From personal experience: stay away from lacquered ammo!”
Amen! Whole web sites devoted to keeping them from fouling. Mine’s been cleaned and broken in for years now after much effort, and a pleasure to shoot. Ammoman has scads of the good stuff in bulk usually.
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