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Mosin Nagant table-top review and comparison to an American standard
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Posted on 12/27/2011 5:25:21 PM PST by dynachrome

OperatorERROR shows us the options we have for sniperizers. He compairs and shoots the American made SOCOM16 vs the Mosin Nagant


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KEYWORDS: banglist; funny; mosinnagant; sniperized
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Hehe. The mighty mos-ee-in nagant shows up the eeeevil black plastic rifle. Approx. 4 minutes
1 posted on 12/27/2011 5:25:34 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

“Developed prior to World War... the Crusades.”


2 posted on 12/27/2011 5:26:36 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

He’s funny!


3 posted on 12/27/2011 5:36:01 PM PST by Dogbert41 (A vote for Romney is a vote for Luke warm slop)
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To: Viking2002

ping. Some mosin mania for yer pleasure


4 posted on 12/27/2011 5:37:36 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
"7.62 by something... It doesn't really matter."

Let me step back 15 or 20 meters... Not quite interchangeable.

Mark

5 posted on 12/27/2011 5:38:11 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Dogbert41

Yeah, I had no idea the Confederacy used ‘em! :)


6 posted on 12/27/2011 5:38:32 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

I’m going to have to take this rifle back to The SEALS, where I borrowed it from, the ones at Disneyland . .


7 posted on 12/27/2011 5:40:08 PM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the taglines in all the posts in all the world and she read mine.)
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To: dynachrome

That feller knows his guns real good, alright.

Both 7.62 by ...

51 - 54, difference of three, whatever - don’t matter.


8 posted on 12/27/2011 5:47:02 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Well, the Crusaders were a little loose with their tolerances on bore size.


9 posted on 12/27/2011 5:49:17 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Dogbert41

Bump for review of pre revolutionary Russian army rifle.


10 posted on 12/27/2011 5:50:19 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: Pan_Yan

ping


11 posted on 12/27/2011 5:54:56 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: dynachrome
i didn't think he could possibly be that stooopid till i saw the flag on his chest was backwards... now i think he might just be
12 posted on 12/27/2011 6:09:40 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: dynachrome
Hilarious. Simply hilarious.

The fella looks like he's shooting at my favorite gun club in Puyallup, WA.

Probably not, but looks darn similar.

That old Russian rifle sure kicked him harder than the .308.

13 posted on 12/27/2011 6:10:50 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Joe 6-pack

some Mosin fun


14 posted on 12/27/2011 6:11:30 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: smokingfrog

You, and at least one other FReeper on this thread, have no sense of humor. The guy is a comedian, one with a straight faced delivery. You should have figured that out at least by the time he was showing you his “wind gauge” on his hat.


15 posted on 12/27/2011 6:14:48 PM PST by calex59
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To: Mariner

“old Russian rifle sure kicked him “

Try one of the carbines some time:

“#9: Mosin-Nagant M44
Speaking of guns without safeties, here’s the Mosin-Nagant M44
Carbine from Russia. The Mosin was used by the Russians against
the Finns, the Finns against the Russians, the Estonians
against the Russians, the Russians against the Russians, and
the Russians against the Germans. It does, in fact, have a
safety, but it’s quite hard to engage. But this is not a
complaint one would ever voice in the Red Army. Your officer
would reply, “Safety? Safety? Is gun! Meant to kill! No warrior
should know he has safety on gun, because he should be killing
enemies of homeland! Safety make loud click to aid enemy in
locating warriors! No safety!” while pounding his fist on the
table.
And the Mosin can kill enemies of homeland. The muzzle blast
will vaporize green growth within a few feet of the muzzle, and
even if you miss, the enemy will be reduced to shouting “WHAT?”
to communicate. You’ll need a recoil pad or shooting jacket.
Ordinarily, this might be considered unmanly, but this rifle
has a short stock for using while wearing several layers of
wool for a Russian winter. It is acceptable to wear padding to
fire a Mosin.
Of course, there are also M38, 91/30 and other variations of
Mosin-Nagant and all are cool. All, also (except the M38), come
with a bayonet. Russian doctrine held that the bayonet was
mounted except while traveling in a vehicle, because the
Russians understood that an empty rifle could still be a pointy
stick—a Viking spear. The Russians loved to spear Turks. So,
coincidentally, did the Vikings. This rifle sounds better all
the time, doesn’t it? The Finns used the Mosin as a sniper
rifle during the Winter War, and their greatest Sniper was Simo
Häyhä, who had 500 confirmed kills in 100 days. This is a man
the Finns describe as “modest” and “self-effacing.” It’s a good
thing the Russians didn’t run into a Finn who was proud and
arrogant. They’d have been wiped out.
It fires a 7.62X54R (for “Rimmed”) cartridge, about as powerful
as .30-06, and holds the distinction of being in service from
1891 to the present, longer than any other military cartridge.
It is still used in Dragunovs, PKMs and other Russian weapons.
It’s cheap in quantity. So are the rifles, because they were
built for (all variations) over 70 years, by Russia, Finland,
Poland, Romania, even the US. As I write this, arsenal-new M44s
are $55 to $200. At that price, you should have several, so any
guests you have during the Collapse can be outfitted as they
receive Enlightenment. Then they can rape, kill, sack and loot
with the rest of the men who secure a new Dark Ages to hasten
the new renaissance. It will be a manly duty.”


16 posted on 12/27/2011 6:15:48 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

Simo Häyhä (during WWII along the Kollaa River in Finland)

“The White Death” - World’s Greatest Sniper

http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/simohayha.asp

Pic: http://www.mosinnagant.net/images/simohayha.jpg

He used the Mosin Nagant M28

But, also the Suomi K31 SMG submachine gun.

What ever works.


17 posted on 12/27/2011 6:21:11 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

The Finns accurized their rifles. If you can find a finned 91/30 for a reasonable price , they are nice shooters (I don’t have one, just a M39 or two which are very accurate) regular 91/30s for $100 +/-


18 posted on 12/27/2011 6:25:53 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Texas Fossil; All

ps.

http://www.7.62x54r.net = all things mosin


19 posted on 12/27/2011 6:29:50 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
The Finns accurized their rifles.

Yep.

20 posted on 12/27/2011 6:34:11 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dynachrome

Thanks for the link.


21 posted on 12/27/2011 6:36:06 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dynachrome

Thanks for the link.


22 posted on 12/27/2011 6:36:21 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

No problemo.


23 posted on 12/27/2011 6:37:45 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

I love all that crap strapped on his vest


24 posted on 12/27/2011 6:38:36 PM PST by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: dynachrome

For several years I have considered “building” a custom Ruger No. 1 with other than stock barrel for “long range” accuracy.

I love the falling block action and have no problem with single shot rifles.

Well placed, 1 shot will do the job.


25 posted on 12/27/2011 6:44:46 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dynachrome
If you think about it, these rifles at $119 dollars, and the ammo dirt cheap, there's no good reason a man should have 1/2 dozen of them (iron sights) and 2,000 rounds of ammo.

You can EASILY get folks attention at 500yds. Or 50 yards.

26 posted on 12/27/2011 6:45:53 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Texas Fossil

I figure aimed, accurate, fire can beat “spray and pray”


27 posted on 12/27/2011 6:48:01 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
A bolt action beating a semi auto for accuracy isn't exactly news. Now a competition between a Moisen, an SMLE and a K98 would be interesting.
28 posted on 12/27/2011 6:51:25 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Mariner

“(iron sights)”

Scoping a basic 91/30 is relatively cheap. The scope is where you want to spend a bit. Drill, tap, bent bolt and compare to a modern hunting rifle. (me, I don’t like altering ‘em, but heck, 5 million or so of the 91/30s were made)


29 posted on 12/27/2011 6:53:58 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
yep, all of that. Plus enough powder and bullet weight and it should do the job.

The old 50 cal. (plus) Sharps were fine rifles in their day.

Modern version should be devastating.

30 posted on 12/27/2011 6:56:08 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dynachrome
"I figure aimed, accurate, fire can beat “spray and pray”

Here's a quick summary of a great story.

When Rhodesia was in the process of becoming Zimbabwe, the existing White government was cut off from the world's arms supplies. They had an ammo shortage.

From on high came orders to shoot any man who went full auto in any combat situation.

Every soldier, each and every one, became a far more effective killer.

A standard 180 or 240 round load per man was usually far more than necessary.

These soldiers became greatly feared...not unlike a US Marine.

Everyone in the world KNOWS every US Marine is a rifleman first.

Well, everyone 'cept members of the US Army.

31 posted on 12/27/2011 6:56:08 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Hugin

That would befun for sure. K98 and SMLE would be accurate out of the box,as it were, the mosin would probably need a bit of work.


32 posted on 12/27/2011 6:56:59 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

I wouldn’t put a scope on one of those venerable old killing machines. It’d be an insult to it’s legacy.


33 posted on 12/27/2011 6:58:07 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Everyone in the world KNOWS every US Marine is a rifleman first.
Well, everyone 'cept members of the US Army.

Yeah, we Army guys know they're Squid-borne Rangers. ;)

34 posted on 12/27/2011 7:09:10 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Mariner

Not unless I find an ex-sniper marked one, then I might try a restoration.


35 posted on 12/27/2011 7:09:35 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm


36 posted on 12/27/2011 7:23:46 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

You mean:

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm


37 posted on 12/27/2011 7:26:15 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dagogo redux

“You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.’

From personal experience: stay away from lacquered ammo!


38 posted on 12/27/2011 7:28:12 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
I alway welcome a chance to post a link to the Mosin Nagant Humor Page

Things you know if you own a ...

AK: It works though you have never cleaned it. Ever.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
You buy cheap ammo by the case.

AR 15: You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.

Mosin Nagant: It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.
You can hit the farm from two counties over.
You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.

continued at link ...

39 posted on 12/27/2011 7:40:34 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: dynachrome

Mosins are AWESOME!!

You can choose between a short, sexy blond with fire in her belly and beautiful jump in her step or you can go for a long, tall, dark beauty that loves to be held and caressed.

Silky smooth actions and best of all - CHEAP DATES!!


40 posted on 12/27/2011 7:45:15 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: dynachrome
From personal experience: stay away from lacquered ammo!

It you ever get a batch of Commie surplus ammo that causes the weapon to jam, discard the rest of the ammo. The Soviets had a machine gun that fired 7.62 x 54R ammo, but they loaded it a lot hotter than 7.62 x 54R rifle ammo.

41 posted on 12/27/2011 7:47:18 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: OneWingedShark
"Yeah, we Army guys know they're Squid-borne Rangers. ;) "

Well Soldier, I'm glad to see the US Army knows its place.

It's place is winning real, no-shit wars.

Logistics.

Chow halls. Hospitals. Latrines and Showers.

The Marines aren't big enough, or comfortable enough for such luxury:)

Yes, they can shoot too.

And as you well know, some soldiers can't shoot. It's not culturally essential as it is in the USMC.

42 posted on 12/27/2011 7:50:02 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
The Marines aren't big enough, or comfortable enough for such luxury:)

Hmmm. I've heard that more than once in my travels overseas.

:-)

43 posted on 12/27/2011 7:52:36 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: dynachrome
I have a Finnish Model-39 that was barreled by Sako in 1942. it was used in the 1941-44 Continuation war against the Soviets. Most all Finnish Model-39 rifles were barreled by, Sako, Valmet and Tikka with the final assembly of all rifles done by Sako. The Finns were absolute fanatics about built in accuracy for all their battle rifles, they were the original one shot, one kill guys.

The Model-39 with a standard bore of .312" is one of the most accurate battle rifles ever fielded. Before it could be put into service, each one had to be capable of a 1.3 inch group at 100 meters. When they were sighted in at the armory they were fitted with individual front sight blades of different heights as required for each rifle. The height was so stamped on top of the wide blade post sight and at the sight base. IRRC, the Model-39 was the only battle rifle fielded in WW2 that front sight was easily adjustable for windage in the field. On the front sight left windage adjusting screw, it is surrounded by 8 dots, each dot represents one minute of angle at 100 meters. The rear sight has small lightly stamped crosses beneath the left and right sliding surfaces. And it was woe to any Finnish trooper who dast put a file to either the front or rear sight.

My Model-39 was built on the receiver from a Russian Mosin Nagant made in 1914, captured by the Germans (receiver so stamped) in WWI, then sold or given to the Finns. All the Finnish barreled rifles from 1918 until the 1950s were built on a captured or bought Russian MN receiver, as the Finns never made any receivers. If the ammo is any good, my Model-39 and Eastern Bloc rounds with the superb issue iron sights, can shoot one inch groups all day long at 100 yards.

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44 posted on 12/27/2011 7:53:05 PM PST by Sea Parrot (You know you might be facing your DOOM , if all you get is a click, Instead of a BOOM !)
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To: dynachrome

I heard Jesus carried a Mosin.


45 posted on 12/27/2011 7:56:42 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Get your bolt bent to handle a scope (cheap). Put a slip on recoil pad (small works fine) for $10 or so. Get a decent mount for $20. Get a cheap Barksa 4-24X scope for under $50 and enjoy blowing away oil cans at 400 yds. Bulgarian 182gr machine gun ammo can be had for $6 a box of 20. It has increased recoil but hits very hard.


46 posted on 12/27/2011 8:10:24 PM PST by libertyhoundusnr
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To: Pilsner

Most stiff MN milsurp fired cartridge extraction is because some people never get the cosmoline completely cleaned from the chamber. (nor the bore for that matter) Then if fired much and cooked in, it can become an hours long project to get it clean at times.


47 posted on 12/27/2011 8:11:15 PM PST by Sea Parrot (You know you might be facing your DOOM , if all you get is a click, Instead of a BOOM !)
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To: Texas Fossil
Nothing wrong with long range shooting for my original JM Marlin Ballard #5 Pacific (circa 1877-78) in 45-70. It is deadly out to several hundred yards

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48 posted on 12/27/2011 8:21:40 PM PST by Sea Parrot (You know you might be facing your DOOM , if all you get is a click, Instead of a BOOM !)
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To: calex59

Mmmm. I think maybe I did detect a wee bit of humor.

OperatorERROR might have been the first clue.

Whatever. It ain’t steak sauce.


49 posted on 12/27/2011 9:11:38 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: dynachrome

“From personal experience: stay away from lacquered ammo!”

Amen! Whole web sites devoted to keeping them from fouling. Mine’s been cleaned and broken in for years now after much effort, and a pleasure to shoot. Ammoman has scads of the good stuff in bulk usually.


50 posted on 12/27/2011 9:31:44 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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