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Tennessee tourist arrested for bringing pistol into 9/11 Memorial
nypost.com ^ | 12/29/2011 | JAMIE SCHRAM, C.J. SULLIVAN and DAREH GREGORIAN

Posted on 12/29/2011 11:03:08 AM PST by massmike

A tourist from Tennessee waltzed into one of the most secure sites in the city — and politely asked a cop if she could check her weapon.

Instead, she was dragged out in cuffs.

Now, Meredith Graves, 39, is facing at least three years in prison for thinking New York’s gun laws are anything like those in the Bible Belt.

Graves, a fourth-year medical student, showed up at the memorial on Dec. 22 to pay her respects during a trip north for a job interview.

She didn’t realize that the loaded .32-caliber pistol in her purse would be a problem until she saw a sign at the site that read, “No guns allowed,” sources said.

“She remembered she had the gun on her,” a source said. She walked up to a security guard and said, “I have this gun. Where can I check it?”

The guard told her that she was in luck because of “law enforcement day” — and led her to another area.

When she got to that section, she asked another cop, “We have this gun — can we check it in here? We [my husband and I] are not law-enforcement.”

That’s when she was arrested.

Graves, who has a full legal carry permit in Tennessee, was locked up on a weapons-possession charge and held on $2,000 bond that she posted yesterday. She is due in court on March 19.

She’ll soon find out exactly how serious New York City is about illegal guns. The Manhattan DA’s Office is pursuing a conviction on felony gun possession — carrying a minimum sentence of 3 1/2 years.

Mayor Bloomberg, with the help of the five district attorneys, has crusaded against the flow of illegal guns, especially from the South.

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To: Eaker; TheMom; humblegunner

This really sucks ping.


51 posted on 12/29/2011 3:47:51 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra

Indeed.


52 posted on 12/29/2011 3:51:07 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Now see I’ve always preferred “There’s smart and then there is wise.”


53 posted on 12/29/2011 3:52:24 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
New York’s a fun city to visit - and also has enormous photographic potential.

I enjoy visiting NYC from time to time. I have a sister there and I'm a theater geek.

But as much fun as I have every time I go, it's always good to get back home where things aren't so frenetic...and where we can carry guns.

54 posted on 12/29/2011 3:54:15 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: reed13k

There are 14 types of intelligence so she must be deficient in one or more of them.


55 posted on 12/29/2011 4:08:20 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: smokingfrog

Good one Froggy...that Tactical Face Palm made my morning!


56 posted on 12/29/2011 4:28:21 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: massmike

I don’t know why anyone would voluntarily go to NYC.. It’s the s**thole of the US, it’s like Calcutta.


57 posted on 12/29/2011 5:17:20 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Eaker; All
A responsible CHL holder checks the laws in the State to which they are traveling before they leave.

So you believe NYC law can trump the US Constitution?

Am amazed so many blame the victim of these unjust laws. This nonsense needs to be fought....stop blaiming the victims of these onerous "laws", for lack of a better word.

58 posted on 12/29/2011 6:20:12 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: massmike
Out-of-state weapons have been used in a slew of homicides, including the murder of NYPD cop Peter Figoski on Dec. 12. Sources don’t believe Graves’ intentions were sinister.

A 4th year medical student who voluntarily hands over her gun. Gee, ya think?

When I read stories like this, I swear to God I think this country is gone for Good.
59 posted on 12/29/2011 6:23:09 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: mountaineer1997
Boy, there are a lot of idiotic posts on this thread. One poster called her a “marone”. Who is the dumb-bell? The 2nd Amendment trumps state attempts to restrict gun possession

Thank you! At least one person here gets it!
60 posted on 12/29/2011 6:27:40 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Red in Blue PA
So what are YOU doing to change the law?


I very strongly believe in the 2nd , but I also very strongly believe that I want to stay out of jail.


I don't see YOU going to NY to test the law!

61 posted on 12/29/2011 6:41:39 PM PST by Eaker (Nothing even remotely praising Romney should be posted because one should stick to the truth.)
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To: Eaker

>A responsible CHL holder checks the laws in the State to which they are traveling before they leave.
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>When I went to NY a month ago I KNEW I couldn’t carry my gun. I didn’t even need to check the laws.

Oh, really?
What do these laws have to say on it?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/241.html
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/242.html

(PS — If it’s contrary to the Constitution, it’s illegitimate.)


62 posted on 12/29/2011 6:43:45 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Eaker

For one thing, I will never blame the victim of unjust and Unconstitutional laws.

How about starting there?


63 posted on 12/29/2011 6:44:03 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: mamelukesabre
'why do people want to volunteer info about their own personal firearms like this?"

She took being from the VOLUNTEER state a tiny bit too literally. That said, the NYC thugs with badges clearly over-reacted. This woman, after realizing her mistake (a bit too late) tried to do the right thing. If the DA's office has its' way, she will carry the "felon" label with her for life.

64 posted on 12/29/2011 6:45:24 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Jewbacca

Except that according to these, it’s already a federal felony for the officials:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/241.html
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/242.html


65 posted on 12/29/2011 6:46:28 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

So I take it you aren’t going to put your money where your mouth is?

I don’t agree with a single gun law on the books but I am also not stupid enough to hand a gun to a cop in New York.

Sometimes stupid should hurt.


66 posted on 12/29/2011 6:49:08 PM PST by Eaker (Nothing even remotely praising Romney should be posted because one should stick to the truth.)
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To: Eaker
Sometimes stupid should hurt.

I agree. Anyone enforcing the blatantly Unconstitutional laws of NYC should be fined and imprisoned.
67 posted on 12/29/2011 6:51:00 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: OneWingedShark

Cornell huh?

I dare you to print those out then go to the Cornell campus and show your concealed gun to a cop along with you printouts.

You’ll only get one phone call if you live so don’t waste it ordering pizza.


68 posted on 12/29/2011 6:52:19 PM PST by Eaker (Nothing even remotely praising Romney should be posted because one should stick to the truth.)
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To: PhiloBedo

“It’s the s**thole of the US, it’s like Calcutta.”


You have GOT to be kidding.


69 posted on 12/29/2011 6:53:47 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well, go make a citizens arrest of all 35,000 NYC cops.

Get a group picture after you have rounded them all up.


70 posted on 12/29/2011 6:55:20 PM PST by Eaker (Nothing even remotely praising Romney should be posted because one should stick to the truth.)
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To: Eaker
Sounds like you are a fan of Bloomberg. In case you missed, it (and it definitely sounds as though you did), this should prove interesting to you.

D.C. Ordered to Pay $1M in Historic Gun Case
71 posted on 12/29/2011 6:56:31 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: massmike

A number of posters have noted that they wouldn’t go to NYC, which is germane to the subject. I go a step further in that not only would I not go to New York City, I would not go to New York State, Massachusetts, New Jersey and a number of other states that either are controlled by gun-hating Democrats and/or do not recognize my permit. I’ve seen all of them that I care to see, anyhow.


73 posted on 12/29/2011 7:02:26 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

74 posted on 12/29/2011 7:03:47 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: OldPossum
I go a step further in that not only would I not go to New York City, I would not go to New York State, Massachusetts, New Jersey and a number of other states that either are controlled by gun-hating Democrats and/or do not recognize my permit.

There is a reason you rarely see a car with southern plates tooling around New England; even in the summer...why bother?

75 posted on 12/29/2011 7:12:47 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Why does the so-called “right to privacy” not apply to owners of firearms but it does to women in search of abortions?


76 posted on 12/29/2011 7:14:30 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Funny how that works...


77 posted on 12/29/2011 7:16:44 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I have personally spoken with your proctologist, and I know for a fact that you are not full of ****.

Stay the course, Red.

78 posted on 12/29/2011 7:17:06 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: who knows what evil?

I am not a lawyer but why doesn’t the NRA ILA use an argument like this in one of their cases?

IMO, gun rights groups need to be much more aggressive in regaining what was Unconstitutiuonally taken away. (as zealous as the ACLU if not moreso)

Challenges to NYC laws such as those in this story are step 1.

Challenges to the legitimacy of GCA68 and the ATF are step 2.


79 posted on 12/29/2011 7:21:18 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
Stay the course, Red.

Thank you!

The 2A is absolute. Those law-abiding citizens who cannot make their way through the maze of 21,000 laws are not criminals.....as some here would have you believe. Why is "intent" used in the law in determining guilt.....except when it comes to gun owners?
80 posted on 12/29/2011 7:23:22 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"...the maze of 21,000 laws"

It is indeed a maze. If, as your tag line suggests, these laws were looked at by a reasonable man, the bulk of them would disappear from the books.

Our 2A rights have been chipped away, increment by increment. We have to get them back, one victory at a time.

81 posted on 12/29/2011 7:31:47 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The comments at the source are pretty encouraging...there are even NY’ers calling for a boycott of the city...LOL!


82 posted on 12/29/2011 7:32:59 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae

I seem to recall a case where the ruling was that an area of the law which was very complex, Byzantine in ints complexity, was Unconstitutional because of this very fact.

Again, where is the NRA in bringing up challenges based on precedent like this?

I am an NRA member (free membership at Cabela’s) but have always been disappointed by their lukewarm defense (if one could even call it that) of the 2A. They are constatntly patting themselves on the back, yet this woman may rot in prison for doing something guaranteed in the Constitution.


83 posted on 12/29/2011 7:40:25 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: massmike
Graves, a fourth-year medical student, showed up at the memorial on Dec. 22 to pay her respects during a trip north for a job interview.

Job interview? Honey, you'd be better off starving than to work anywhere north of the Potomac River. L-rd have mercy, because that stinking dwarf Bloomberg won't...

84 posted on 12/29/2011 8:03:44 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

85 posted on 12/29/2011 8:10:10 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: massmike

86 posted on 12/29/2011 9:13:19 PM PST by rawhide
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To: Jewbacca

Sounds REAL GOOD to me!!!!!


87 posted on 12/29/2011 9:53:31 PM PST by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: arrogantsob
If you don’t care for culture in general or music or the arts or sports or great food then there is no reason to go just stay home and watch tv.

That sounds like something an arrogant SOB would say...

88 posted on 12/29/2011 11:38:11 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: massmike

How ironic. If but one passanger or crewmember on each plane had a firearm the horror of 9/11 may have had a completely different outcome.


89 posted on 12/29/2011 11:49:45 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: massmike

There is a simple answer to all these problems, unfortunately There is not a Real Man in any Authoritative position to make these decisions. quite simply do as follows:

At no time shall any resident from another State that does not recognize all license’s and permits issued by the State of Tennessee be permitted to exercise any permit or license issued by the State they reside in.

Arrest and JAIL every last person coming into the State from New York, furthermore if it is a cop, LIFE IN PRISON for Violating their State Laws on Aliens in possession of a Firearm.


90 posted on 12/30/2011 5:44:36 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: y6162

She is not in as much trouble as America for having a bastard like Bloomberg in the Mayor’s Office.


91 posted on 12/30/2011 6:23:48 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: LifePath

Its not just NYC. The same thing happens in New Jersey, Maryland and many New England States.

A foreign culture and political ideology long ago took root in New York City and sent its tentacles out into New England, New Jersey and Maryland.

When I was growing up as a kid and living in New Jersey, I said America began at the Hudson River west. Now,still living in New Jersey I regretfully say America begins at the Delaware River west.

This culture which is ensconced in NYC and its colony states of Vermont, New Jersey, etc, is a threat to the entire nation and it doesn’t solely involve the Second Amendment. It extends across an entire spectrum of social issues.

Conservatives in the rest of America need to work with the conservatives still living in these states to do every thing we can to contain this contagion and wipe it out at its source.


92 posted on 12/30/2011 6:30:45 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: Windflier

LoL, not only arrogantsobs but someone who actually appreciates high culture would say that. Where I was raised the height of culture was the Grand Ole Opry. While I appreciate the Opry I appreciate Beethoven far more.

Those who do not particularly care about the very best are free not to. It isn’t for everyone.


93 posted on 12/30/2011 2:27:40 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: massmike

The point is those things are what are available in the cities and more of them in NYC. That is a large reason that cities exist.


94 posted on 12/30/2011 2:30:58 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Jewbacca

Such a “law” would be dead as soon as passed.


95 posted on 12/30/2011 2:33:19 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: OldGoatCPO

There are islands of excellence throughout the country. But none so comprehensive as in NYC. No other places have either of the Mets which are in a class by themselves: the Metropolitan Opera or the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

I am not from NYC but cannot deny its virtues. In Chicago we have a better Symphony but that is about the only cultural superiority that comes to mind. Maybe our Blues scene as well.


97 posted on 12/30/2011 2:38:49 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Isn’t it interesting that the NRA started in NY state?


98 posted on 12/30/2011 2:45:09 PM PST by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob
...someone who actually appreciates high culture would say that.

Most people with refined artistic tastes would never say such a boorish thing as that.

99 posted on 12/30/2011 5:58:35 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ZULU

Handguns are not illegal for Bloomberg’s security detail.

Erring SOB.


100 posted on 12/30/2011 6:40:48 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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