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Who thinks that they really will be reeudcated ?

Posted on 12/29/2011 2:24:31 PM PST by emax

So there are many jokes and speculations about it, but with the passing of the Cypertrrrorism acts, s. 978, NDAA and other such laws, is there anyone here who truly expects that American gulags will be set up for them, or internment/reeducation camps for posting here or even for just being a member here ? If so, that could mean that anyone, on the right or left, that ever said anything bad about our current govermnent, could get sent to a camp. That could lead to as much as the third or half of the population being sent to internment camps-over 100 million people.

If you do not think it will happen, why dont you think it will happen ? What is currently preventing the govt from becoming a new Stalinist or Maoist or NK-like paradise ? What provisions in the recent laws I mentioned above prevent them from being used to create a dictatorship,, if there are any ?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: freespeech; ndaa; obama; reeudcation

1 posted on 12/29/2011 2:24:41 PM PST by emax
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To: emax

If you mean reeducated, you might have a point. If you mean reeudcated, my wife wants me to have that done sometime in the future.


2 posted on 12/29/2011 2:29:03 PM PST by driftless2
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To: emax
Good evening...from my time zone to you. Welcome to FR.

I wonder about threads like this...

5.56mm

3 posted on 12/29/2011 2:31:22 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

I just wanted to know what people think. There seems to be a lack of faith in America’s ability to keep any of the principles laid out in the Constitution


4 posted on 12/29/2011 2:35:51 PM PST by emax
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To: emax

No need for camps,IMHO, just control of the information and some judicious firings of opponents.


5 posted on 12/29/2011 2:36:10 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: emax
Passing a law won't make it happen, nor will it even make it legal. There aren't enough camps for 100 million people, nor are there enough guards, nor will the country have enough food to feed itself should 1/3 of the population wind up in them.

...what is currently preventing the govt from becoming a new Stalinist or Maoist or NK-like paradise ?

Because we'll shoot the bastards if they try it.

6 posted on 12/29/2011 2:37:43 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: emax

We are already inside the “reeducation camp”. With each television sitcom, every advertisement, every AP and UPI “news” article, and every loaded glance at the supermarket checkout at a non-approved viewpoint... we are immersed in reeducation. It’s not beatings with rubber hoses and fake confessions anymore, just a slow drip drip drip of behavior modification.


7 posted on 12/29/2011 2:38:00 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: emax

When the time comes for this to become a threat, is when most of “us” become instructors, with one lesson plan to re-educate the re-educators...

Turn to the chapter in your books titled, “The Second Amendment” (and its practical uses)...


8 posted on 12/29/2011 2:38:00 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: emax

Pleae reeudcate me on being reeudcated

Also. I need reeudcating on Cypertrrrorism.

And any other trrrorisms you may come up with.

And I have a question? Is English your second language? Or third?


9 posted on 12/29/2011 2:39:01 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: emax

Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn wanted to execute 25 million Americans, to make things “fair”. Chances are, they still do. And they advise the Kenyan.

Stealth legislation is being inserted into bills paving the way for the camps. The Army has created a new MOS specifically for the camps. It’s going to happen.


10 posted on 12/29/2011 2:42:08 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: emax
If you do not think it will happen, why dont you think it will happen ? What is currently preventing the govt from becoming a new Stalinist or Maoist or NK-like paradise ? What provisions in the recent laws I mentioned above prevent them from being used to create a dictatorship,, if there are any ?

My guess: The second amendment.

11 posted on 12/29/2011 2:42:35 PM PST by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: SpaceBar

You are quite correct.

Our Diversity is our strength.

Health Care is a Right.

Gay Marriage is Fair.

Most of America has been “re-educated” into these positions, right inside their homes - no need for camps. We have TV and a pliant, non-thinking public.


12 posted on 12/29/2011 2:45:27 PM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: emax
I think they'll react according to the perceived threat. Right now, they'll use it to try to stifle their opposition in advance of the next election but they don't feel threatened enough by the current prospects to attempt much beyond that.

Historically, they've been able to wait until they get back into office and take up where they left off. The Republicans will have left everything pretty much like they found it.

13 posted on 12/29/2011 2:48:53 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No, i am just not a very good typer and I have a broken keyboard


14 posted on 12/29/2011 2:55:13 PM PST by emax
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To: Old Sarge

When did Ayers say that ? Which set of 25 million Americans was he referring to ? Anyone know about that ? And what stealth legislation and MOS for the camps are you talking about ?


15 posted on 12/29/2011 2:58:29 PM PST by emax
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To: emax

IMO, re-education camps are already up and running and have been for years just maybe not in the form you envision.

Sensitivity training for those who speak out has been going on for years for the new sexual norms no matter how deviant and vile.

Sensitivity training to protect every legit and fake religion except Christians of course has been going on for years.

Sensitivity training and constant re-writing of what is Politically Correct has been going on for years.

Why on earth would anyone thing re-education camps would not be in our future? The future is here and now.


16 posted on 12/29/2011 2:58:58 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: emax

Don’t need re-education camps when you can control the Alphabet networks, movies and news programs.

Otherwise it sounds like Bill Ayers’ wet dream. Just need the Cubans and Vietnamese commies to help clear out the un-educatable.


17 posted on 12/29/2011 3:04:09 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: emax

If it happens, I’m, like totally painting my face blue and going apecrap like that Highlander guy....


18 posted on 12/29/2011 3:08:24 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: emax

The legislation is bundled into the National Defense Act of 2011 which has been posted about here on FR numerous times.

The MOS is 31E - Internment and Resettlement Specialist.

In 2009 an undercover FBI agent who had infiltrated the Weather Underground said, “”The most bone chilling thing Bill Ayers said to me was that after the revolution succeeded and the government was overthrown, they believed they would have to eliminate 25 million Americans who would not conform to the new order.”


19 posted on 12/29/2011 3:12:34 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Wurlitzer
The future is here and now.

For some reason, I flashed on a movie I just saw recently.


20 posted on 12/29/2011 3:13:22 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: emax
You lose a ton of credibility when your title is misspelled.

It shows you are too lazy to proof read before posting.

I didn't read beyond “reeudcated”, & for those who do bother to read further, they do so with skepticism.

Not a good way to make your point.

21 posted on 12/29/2011 3:14:06 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da

Maybe the poster needs reeudcating.


22 posted on 12/29/2011 3:16:08 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: emax
I'm an old dog, and I don't like new tricks. There's more guns in this country than there are people, and they know how to use them. If the powers to be want to “re-educate” people by force, they'll be getting a lesson on the second amendment they won't soon forget.
23 posted on 12/29/2011 3:16:14 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: driftless2

She’s getting reeudcated for Cypertrrrorism?


24 posted on 12/29/2011 3:18:51 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Old Sarge
In 2009 an undercover FBI agent who had infiltrated the Weather Underground said, “”The most bone chilling thing Bill Ayers said to me was that after the revolution succeeded and the government was overthrown, they believed they would have to eliminate 25 million Americans who would not conform to the new order.”

In that case, killing Bill Ayers would be an act of self defense and justified homicide.

25 posted on 12/29/2011 3:24:05 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: emax

The problem is not mass internment camps, which is truly a “straw man” argument.

The problem is that the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists (AUFA) part of the NDAA clearly states that the president and an indeterminate number of subordinates can, without *any* probably cause, indictment, arrest or conviction, detain anyone *indefinitely* on a whimsical basis.

Notice I did not use the word “terrorist” other than in the name of AUFA. And this is the problem.

With the Patriot Act, many “antiterrorism” laws and regulations were expressly *intended* to be only for use against terrorists and their supporters. However, today they are used almost exclusively, or in some cases, exclusively, against Americans for non-terrorism related reasons, and in some cases, for no reason at all, but almost in a random manner.

The AUFA gives the congressional seal of approval on this.

As such, it is an unconstitutional and illegal law. Even Abraham Lincoln’s suspension of Habeus Corpus during the Civil War was clearly temporary, and even then it was whittled down for being an improper and unconstitutional action.

Is America seriously facing a crisis threat from Islamists as bad as the US Civil War? Even if they managed to obtain some dirty non-fission nuclear or chemical weapon, they could not possibly cause a fraction of the destruction and death caused by the Civil War.

So why has America descended into legal depths not seen during our wars, hot or cold? Must we surrender everything it means to be as Americans just so our government can go beyond authoritarianism into totalitarianism?


26 posted on 12/29/2011 3:29:38 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Old Sarge

I won’t be reeducated.

I will probably be covered with powdered lime in an unmarked mass grave.

But thats just me.


28 posted on 12/29/2011 4:04:40 PM PST by wrastu
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To: Billthedrill

They don’t have to put that many in camps to accomplish their purpose. A few million in camps or disappeared or simply killed will get them the results they want.


29 posted on 12/29/2011 4:07:52 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: emax
Preposterous!
30 posted on 12/29/2011 4:11:14 PM PST by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: emax

Re-education camps? The best person to direct this question to is Michael Rivero. He’s got all the inside info on the camps, the helicopters and the white unmarked vans...........We are so screwed!


31 posted on 12/29/2011 4:13:56 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Santa missed my house again....or maybe he's stuck in the chimney. I'll go look.......)
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To: emax; Old Sarge

bill ayers, treasonous POS:

http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/


32 posted on 12/29/2011 4:22:32 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: emax; Old Sarge

here, also:

“Washington, DC – FBI Agent Larry Grathwohl stated that Weather Underground terrorist and violent criminal Bill Ayers was planning on murdering 25 million American citizens, with the help of his cohorts.

In the 1982 documentary No Place To Hide, the law enforcement official detailed how he spent numerous time undercover in the dangerous communist group, acting as a “courier” between the leadership and the footsoldiers.

Agent Grathwohl documented how the psychotic communist Bill Ayers was ready and willing to murder 25 million American citizens in order to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United States and institute a communist dictatorship.

Grathwohl also stated that Ayers’ wife Bernadine Dohrn, Mark Rudd, Linda Evans, Jeff Jones, and many others were also ready and willing to kill innocent American citizens in order to become leaders of the new communist dictatorship.”

http://www.thecomingattack.com/fbi-agent-bill-ayers-was-planning-to-murder-25-million-americans/


33 posted on 12/29/2011 4:26:21 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: emax

Strange thread. IMHO it would be difficult to re-educate folks with guns. They will have to kill them in another civil war. However, the UN does want to decrease the population. I would think American Patriots would be the first they would get rid of. Why re-educate when killing is easier and less costly...

A whole list of things would have to transpire for that scenario to take place. Under the current regime, it could happen if we are suicidal enough to put Obama in office for a second term. Lets hope America is looking at the big picture.


34 posted on 12/29/2011 4:33:50 PM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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To: dynachrome

And this POS walks freely in the halls of power, while we have Marines being tried on trumped-up charges of war crimes.


35 posted on 12/29/2011 4:34:55 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: emax
Who in 1935 expected european Jewry to be wiped out by 1945. Re-education camps in the USA? Stranger things have happened.


36 posted on 12/29/2011 4:51:20 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
We are so screwed!

Well, not all of us. Some of us are...already working for Them...

Holder sez he's gonna let me let me lead the campfire songs and the marshmallow roasts when we get there. Man, I can't wait! I used to love camp.

37 posted on 12/29/2011 4:53:04 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: formosa

That could be true, however I have heard that now there really are plans in place to disband and eliminate the UN in its entirety, so that the UN cant be the one that starts policing Americans. I guess it became too obvious to too many people how much of a tragic joke they are.


38 posted on 12/29/2011 5:02:44 PM PST by emax
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To: emax

If true, I will throw a big celebration. I passionately hate the UN


39 posted on 12/29/2011 5:12:45 PM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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To: emax

Well, if such a thing were to actually occur, next would be lining all the tinpot revolutionaries and intellectuals up against the wall and shooting them.

It’s such a mixed bag for progressives when they finally arrive.


40 posted on 12/29/2011 5:20:03 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SpaceBar

It is also the loss of jobs, job credentials and public humiliation of those contrary to the regime. Dissenters don’t disappear - they lose their jobs and are publicly denounced for being contrary to PC.


41 posted on 12/29/2011 5:37:45 PM PST by tbw2
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To: emax

From the top:
The left long has telegraphed what they want to do or will do if given the chance.
They often accuse their opponents of doing what they themselves are doing.
With this in mind, I remind you of the left insisting that President Bush was making “re-education camps/FEMA camps/Wal-Mart detention centers[yes, they said that]” to incarcerate the democrats in.

Now we have a hyper-liberal wannabe dictator [keep an eye on his power grabs and excluding congress from decision] who can now detain you indefinitely whenever he feels like.
In direct vioolation of your constitutional rights to know the charges against you, face your accuser, fair trial etc...


42 posted on 12/29/2011 5:49:25 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: emax

Well, it’s what commies typically do when they get into power and want to keep it, so ya gotta admit it’s a possibility. America isn’t Russia, and we still have the right to bear arms, so it won’t be easy, but I’ll bet there are plans being made.


43 posted on 12/29/2011 6:32:33 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Go Steelers (what's the baseball team called again?))
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To: emax
What is currently preventing the govt from becoming a new Stalinist or Maoist or NK-like paradise ?

260 million privately owned firearms. This ain't the USSR.

44 posted on 12/30/2011 6:42:13 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Some folks need an education...don't give up or we'll lose the Nation - Grand Funk Railroad)
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To: emax

Unnatural deaths ordered by Communist regimes fall into three fairly distinct categories: deaths due to extreme hardship conditions in slave labor camps; deaths due to man-made famine, usually closely connected to forced collectivization of agriculture; and lastly, straightforward executions. Later sections of the FAQ discuss the composition and quantity of killings in different nations and time periods, but since similar patterns repeat themselves, here are some general remarks:

Deaths due to extreme hardship conditions in slave labor camps

Slave labor camps, also known as “concentration camps,” “forced labor camps,” and “re-education camps,” have played a vital role in Communist systems from the very beginning. Lenin’s secret police, the Cheka, began to set up concentration camps in 1918; the first official admission appears to have been made by Leon Trotsky, who threatened rebellious Czech forces with confinement in concentration camps if they refused to join the Red Army. The number confined during Lenin’s reign was by later standards modest, apparently no more than 100,000; but from the outset concentration camps were set up in the unbearable climates of Siberia and northern Russia, and used for extremely demanding tasks such as canal digging, timber cutting, and mining. Such conditions would have tested the endurance of anyone, but they became deadly when combined with the small amounts of food and inadequate clothing issued to prisoners: the annual death rate in Lenin’s slave labor camps generally ranged between 10-30% per year. (Thus, the odds of surviving a five- year sentence ranged from 20-60%). Moreover, the high death rate required continuous large-scale arrests merely to keep the prison population stable.

In the early Stalin years, the camp populations were roughly stable, but by 1930 by most estimates the number had skyrocketed to 1,000,000 inmates. But the growth era of the camps was only beginning: by 1940 the concentration camps contained about 10,000,000 souls, while camp conditions grew ever worse. The prison population declined and living conditions improved considerably after Stalin’s death, but the slave labor camps persisted into the Gorbachev years.

Some would question whether the deaths in slave labor camps can reasonably be considered “murder.” Clearly, if prisoners had been provided with adequate food, clothing, and shelter, the state would have been guilty of slave-driving, but not murder. But this is simply not the case: a conscious decision was made to severely restrict provisions for prisoners while forcing them to perform incredibly demanding work. This methodological standard is not especially high: researchers of Nazi atrocities have routinely and sensibly counted the deaths of slave laborers under inhuman conditions as murder. Mass murderers use a diverse bag of tools, as the testimony of famed Nazi war criminal Adolph Eichmann reveals:

EICHMANN’S MINUTES FROM THE WANNSEE CONFERENCE PRESENTED AS EVIDENCE AT HIS TRIAL:

“Within the framework of the final solution, Jews will be conscripted for labour in the eastern territories under appropriate leadership. Large labour gangs of those fit for work will be formed, with the sexes separated. They will be made to build roads as they are led into these territories. A large percentage will undoubtedly be eliminated by natural diminution.”

PROSECUTOR: What is meant by “natural diminution”?

EICHMANN: That’s perfectly normal dying. Of a heart attack or pneumonia, for instance. If I were to drop dead just now, that would be natural diminution.

PROSECUTOR: If man is forced to perform heavy physical labour and not given enough to eat, he grows weaker, and if he gets so weak he has a heart attack...?

EICHMANN: That undoubtedly would have been reported as natural diminution.

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/museum/comfaq.htm


45 posted on 12/30/2011 6:43:24 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (No good deed...)
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