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2012: The Year of Cold Fusion?
Forbes ^ | 12/31/2011 | Mark Gibbs

Posted on 01/02/2012 8:30:42 AM PST by Kevmo



2012: The Year of Cold Fusion?


If this topic is new to you, the really short summary is that the E-Cat is a Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) or “cold fusion” device that generates large amounts of heat for a miniscule cost.

I first wrote about the E-Cat and its implications in my Backspin column in Network World back in October and then again a couple of weeks later here in my Forbes Technobable blog. Since then I have covered various aspects of the topic ... here’s the list:

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Why so many postings on this topic? Simple … as I pointed out at some length in the first columns, should Rossi’s E-Cat work as claimed, it will transform the world making oil, coal, and conventional nuclear power along with wind and solar power obsolete as energy sources.

Alas,... the question of whether the E-Cat really works remains unproven because over the last year the E-Cat’s inventor, Andrea Rossi, has given a number of impressive but inconclusive demonstrations. These were inconclusive because they weren’t run in such a way as to remove doubt about what’s really going on and whether more energy was being generated by the E-Cat than was being put into it.

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If the whole thing is a fraud it’s going to be one of the greatest in modern times. If it’s not, 2012 is going to be the year when everything changes.



(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr
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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

1 posted on 01/02/2012 8:30:47 AM PST by Kevmo
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/12/31/2012-the-year-of-cold-fusion/

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2 posted on 01/02/2012 8:31:45 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Why so many postings on this topic? Simple … as I pointed out at some length in the first columns, should Rossi’s E-Cat work as claimed, it will transform the world making oil, coal, and conventional nuclear power along with wind and solar power obsolete as energy sources.


Because you’re bored and have no social life. It’s a sincere possibility that you live in your mom’s basement and have a lot of time on your hands. :)


3 posted on 01/02/2012 8:33:00 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Kevmo
I'm cautiously optimistic on this topic, but I did think that there would be more news and acceptance of LENR starting in the Fall of 2011. In terms of proof and acknowledgement of the reality, it feels to me like the Spring of 2011 -- not so much to show.

But I remain cautiously optimistic.

4 posted on 01/02/2012 8:35:10 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: Kevmo

“If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t”

or, perhaps

“There’s a sucker born every minute”


5 posted on 01/02/2012 8:38:25 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Kevmo

Kinda thinking this is one of those things God isn’t letting us achieve...

Also, if Obama really wanted to achieve green energy he’d be funding this instead of the fake green energy companies.


7 posted on 01/02/2012 8:45:47 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Kevmo
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Mr. Fusion at last!
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8 posted on 01/02/2012 8:46:18 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Kevmo
Why so many postings on this topic?

Because scam fanatics like Mark Gibbs and Kevmo keep regurgitating the same thing over and over again. It's worse than a dog that eats its own vomit.

9 posted on 01/02/2012 8:50:17 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
If the whole thing is a fraud it’s going to be one of the greatest in modern times.

At least Mark Gibbs has covered himself for the inevitable. What else can we expect when the object of his affection is an ex-con with at least one fake degree?

10 posted on 01/02/2012 8:54:22 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

I was looking forward to October 2011 to be the start of the year of cold fusion.

But then for the 25th consecutive year [This Year + 20] will be the year of hot fusion.


11 posted on 01/02/2012 8:56:27 AM PST by DManA
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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12 posted on 01/02/2012 8:58:33 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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13 posted on 01/02/2012 8:59:14 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

wow that’s great~!

Can we see it working? I didn’t think so.


14 posted on 01/02/2012 9:08:10 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: DManA
But then for the 25th 35th consecutive year [This Year + 20] will be the year of hot fusion.

Hot fusion has been 20 years out since the mid '70's....

15 posted on 01/02/2012 9:12:42 AM PST by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: Kevmo
If the whole thing is a fraud it’s going to be one of the greatest in modern times.

It would still pale in comparison to the great global warming swindle.

(Ever wonder why, if the ice caps are melting catastrophically, why there isn't water pooling in the lobbies of beach-side hotels that have been in Florida for decades?)

16 posted on 01/02/2012 9:31:49 AM PST by The Duke
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To: DrDavid

Plus with hot fusion there are known rates of reaction with very predictable and consistent results. Cold fusion only produces anomalous and non-existent results.


17 posted on 01/02/2012 9:41:36 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

Reasons to doubt Rossi

And, the biggest reason to doubt Rossi:

18 posted on 01/02/2012 9:58:42 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo

Cool...cold fusion, just like the sun, the stars.....oh wait...Hot Fusion? lots of heat and pressure?? is that right?

Oh...

....never mind.


19 posted on 01/02/2012 9:58:42 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Moonman62

Since I not aware of any LENR company in which I can invest I have come up with another way to make money.

I understand that you are ABSOLUTELY convinced that Rossi is a scam. If that is true, would you consider a private wager with me? How about $100? We need a time limit to discover is Rossi is a scam or not. How about 5 years from today?

BTW, from your screen name, were you involved with Apollo?

I hope you take my offer in good humor. I am not making fun of your opinion. It is entirely possible that you are right. My interest in LENR comes from years of visiting DOE and USAF labs where “cold fusion” experiments were quietly being pursued by some damn good scientists.

Some of those scientists told me that they just did not understand why they got inconsistent results. IMHO, this is because there is a lot more to learn in the world of physics.


20 posted on 01/02/2012 10:17:17 AM PST by darth
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To: Kevmo
Now that Rossi has his 10k orders he says he start selling small E-cats in the Autumn of this year.

Whether he means delivery or just more order taking...who knows. So until then he can issue a series of breathless announcements of progress on process to possess the water heaters.

21 posted on 01/02/2012 11:12:44 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: darth
How about 5 years from today?
Rossi is claiming (LINK) that he's going to make one million E-Cat modules this year! Why in the world would it take 5 years to prove or disprove his claims?

Of course, all it takes is one E-Cat, given to an independent and trustworthy lab to prove or disprove Rossi's claims. Rossi spent most of last year stating that he would allow the University of Bologna to do such testing. But then, at the last minute, he decided to withhold his device from any legitimate testing facility.

His fans are claiming that this is some sort of "brilliant" strategy to convince people of, um, well, something. A more reasonable explanation is that he knows an independent test would prove that his gadget doesn't work.

22 posted on 01/02/2012 11:17:32 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Moonman62
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Plus with hot fusion there are known rates of reaction with very predictable and consistent results.

Hey White Noise, how ya doing. What hot fusion where?

23 posted on 01/02/2012 1:58:02 PM PST by BallandPowder
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To: Kevmo

Yea! It is time for cold fusion!


24 posted on 01/02/2012 4:00:26 PM PST by Paperdoll
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To: Kevmo

Yea! It is time for cold fusion!


25 posted on 01/02/2012 4:00:39 PM PST by Paperdoll
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To: darth
I understand that you are ABSOLUTELY convinced that Rossi is a scam. If that is true, would you consider a private wager with me? How about $100? We need a time limit to discover is Rossi is a scam or not. How about 5 years from today?

If the United States ever gets one per cent or more of its energy from ecats, I'll resign from FR and send Kevmo a courtesy note beforehand. I've already made that promise and I'll add you to the list if you like. If it's the world changing technology that the fan boys claim, one percent is a small hurdle. Plus there's no time limit. I don't require a sacrifice in kind because I know I'll never have to pay up (Plus Kevmo is an immature narcissist who will never admit he's wrong about Rossi and the ecat.).

My interest in LENR comes from years of visiting DOE and USAF labs where “cold fusion” experiments were quietly being pursued by some damn good scientists. Some of those scientists told me that they just did not understand why they got inconsistent results.

When legitimate scientists say they get inconsistent results and can't explain it, that's significant. How can any theory ever explain it? Compare today's cold fusion with muon catalyzed cold fusion. Within a year of it being observed it was explained by theory, and that's with technology and knowledge from over 50 years ago.

IMHO, this is because there is a lot more to learn in the world of physics.

Until we discover the TOE, there will still be a lot more physics to learn. After that scientists can dedicate their time to engineering.

26 posted on 01/02/2012 4:09:20 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: darth

Make sure you witness his money first.


27 posted on 01/03/2012 7:04:15 AM PST by citizen (Don't blow it, Iowa! R Paul may be saving his lump-of-coal present til the spring: A 3rd party run!)
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To: Kevmo
2012: The Year of Cold Fusion?

Yes indeedy! It will be a cold fusion-apalooza this year. The last 20 or so were just a warm up to the grand unveiling. (snicker)
28 posted on 01/03/2012 7:38:16 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: ZX12R
Rossi's latest claim is that he will be selling residential E-Cat units for $1000 - $1500, starting this fall. Rossi says that he is in talks with Home Depot to distribute the units. [LINK]

I'm eagerly waiting for Home Depot to confirm this.

Of course, I'm still eagerly waiting for any customer to come forward, or for Rossi to allow any independent organization to test his gadget, or for Rossi to release any independent information about the isotopic analysis that was supposed to be available by Christmas, and so on.

29 posted on 01/03/2012 8:04:17 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
I just emailed the media relations people at Home Depot to see if they would confirm or deny Rossi's latest statement.

Since Rossi has mentioned it publicly, presumably there is no reason for Home Depot not to also acknowledge it.

We'll see what, if anything, Home Depot has to say.

30 posted on 01/03/2012 8:16:55 AM PST by Johnny B.
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THEY’RE NOT DONATING MONTHLY!


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31 posted on 01/03/2012 8:37:13 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Johnny B.
This wouldn't be the first time that Rossi or one of his myrmidons tried to associate the ecat scam with a legitimate company. Kleiner Perkins is the first that comes to mind. The other was National Instruments I believe.
32 posted on 01/03/2012 9:33:42 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Johnny B.
I had to laugh at the first two paragraphs at your link:
Not afraid to enter a specialty that kills careers, Mr. Rossi says, “To work in this field you have to be absolutely non-reactive towards controversy.”

The reason he had success, out of thousands of attempts, was because “we did not lose our time in controversy. We just let everybody say what they wanted.”

Here is an example of Rossi's non-reactivity:
About the snakes: the time of the snakes is over. The start up of the 1 MW plant is the end of the mental masturbations of enviuos, wannabe theorists, lecturers of calorimetry and engineering. Now LENR goes to the market. The test will not be made by me, but by the Customers’ consultants. Time of chatters is over. Maybe the test will not be good, maybe: it will be the first time I will start up a plant of that dimension, but in this case the problem will be the Customer, not the bunch of imbeciles that instead of understanding that we actually made LENR a reality lose their time digging holes on the surface the water in the middle of the ocean to find the wine. And in the case this test will go not well, we will learn and remake another, and another, and another, but, be sure, we will arrive to the target. At any cost."

33 posted on 01/03/2012 9:47:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Johnny B.
Rossi says that he is in talks with Home Depot to distribute the units.

LOL! Thanks. That's the funniest thing I've read this morning. Home Depot, that's damn hilarious. Spencer's Gifts maybe, or sell them from the back page of comic books along with the x-ray glasses and sea monkeys. LOL!
34 posted on 01/04/2012 5:21:18 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Jonty30
One would imagine he is looking forward to some cheap heat for that basement however.
35 posted on 01/08/2012 7:18:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: CincyRichieRich
I tracked that link down for you. Rossi is connected to folks in the US who are well tied in with Department of Energy for alternative energy sources. They have a $90 mil contract to provide consultants ~ and do stuff.

That's OBAMA ~ he's at this place. His peeps are involved. But for a guy who just blew through $6 trillion, $90 million is chump change.

36 posted on 01/08/2012 7:21:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ZX12R

I hope you know what Home Depot does.


37 posted on 01/08/2012 7:22:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vaquero

yup, in the sun’s corona ~ you don’t have the pressure there ~ plenty of heat, but it’s rather diffuse.


38 posted on 01/08/2012 7:28:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Moonman62

You are aware New Leader Un believes he has the handle on a fusion bomb.


39 posted on 01/08/2012 7:29:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Many basements are cold, so can’t blame Kevmo if this is the reason for his intense interest.


40 posted on 01/08/2012 7:32:58 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: DrDavid
As but a chil' many decades back I read that fusion power would be a reality within 30 years ~ that date has continued to come and go and so NOTHING.

I think it's a scam to soak governments for the care and upkeep of physicists who have nothing to do.

Did I say "I think it's a scam" ~ it really is a scam ~ costs billions a year for NOTHING.

41 posted on 01/08/2012 7:33:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Moonman62
Kleiner Perkins is mixed up with the Algore. The Algore is mixed up with DOE. DOE is mixed up with Rossi's friends. Rossi is mixed up with his own friends.

Kleiner Perkins invests, and advises others regarding investments in similar ventures.

Is there some reason you would think Kleiner Perkins wouldn't be involved with Rossi in some way?

Did you check with The Algore on this?

42 posted on 01/08/2012 7:38:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

the suns corona is only there because of the heat and pressure of the dense core...


43 posted on 01/09/2012 3:45:07 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
You know that's just a theory don't you? Look up these three fellows: A. Widom, Y. N. Srivastava, L. Larsen. They have a different theory. Notice the use of the term "electro-weak reactions".

You can ignore the various LENR references to their work if you want. This particular theory is in the background of NASA's interest in LENR ~

44 posted on 01/09/2012 4:33:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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