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Posted on 01/03/2012 10:27:32 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
If National Geographic had more stories like this one, Id be inclined to subscribe. This is fascinating stuff.
Seven thousand years before Stonehenge was Göbekli Tepe in southern Turkey, where youll find ring upon ring of T-shaped stone towers arranged in a circle. Around 11,600 B.C. hundreds of people gathered on this mound, year after year, possibly for centuries.
There are plenty of mysteries on this hill. Some of the rocks weigh 16 tons, but archaeologists can find no homes, no hearths, no water source, and no sign of a town or village to support the hundreds of workers who built the rings of towers. The people apparently, unthinkably really, were nomadic, as far as we know, they had no wheels, and no beasts of burden. True hunter gatherers, whose first heavy building project was not a home to fend off the elements, but a religious sacred site.
Perhaps we should not be so surprised, after all, we know the pyramids, the largest and oldest surviving buildings didnt house people or grain either the only humans they keep warm were dead ones. In a sense, the theme repeats. It takes extraordinary expertise and effort to move tons of rock, especially if you dont have a trolley, let alone a crane, yet seemingly the first priority for our ancestors was not food or shelter, but just some respite from daily overbearing fears. Could it be some other reason than fear like the spectacle or festival (mentioned in the article) or the ever reliable search for status? Maybe, but its hard to believe these circles could be about power trips or parties if the there is no permanent settlement to reward the hierarchy.
Hat tip to GWPF which linked to the story: All You Know About The Neolithic Revolution May Be Wrong
Here are a few selected paragraphs:
Göbekli Tepe was built much earlier [than Stonehenge] and is made not from roughly hewn blocks but from cleanly carved limestone pillars splashed with bas-reliefs of animalsa cavalcade of gazelles, snakes, foxes, scorpions, and ferocious wild boars. The assemblage was built some 11,600 years ago, seven millennia before the Great Pyramid of Giza. It contains the oldest known temple. Indeed, Göbekli Tepe is the oldest known example of monumental architecturethe first structure human beings put together that was bigger and more complicated than a hut. When these pillars were erected, so far as we know, nothing of comparable scale existed in the world.
Within minutes of getting there, Schmidt says, he realized that he was looking at a place where scores or even hundreds of people had worked in millennia past. The limestone slabs were not Byzantine graves but something much older.
Inches below the surface the team struck an elaborately fashioned stone. Then another, and anothera ring of standing pillars. As the months and years went by, Schmidts team, a shifting crew of German and Turkish graduate students and 50 or more local villagers, found a second circle of stones, then a third, and then more. Geomagnetic surveys in 2003 revealed at least 20 rings piled together, higgledy-piggledy, under the earth.
Puzzle piled upon puzzle as the excavation continued. For reasons yet unknown, the rings at Göbekli Tepe seem to have regularly lost their power, or at least their charm. Every few decades people buried the pillars and put up new stonesa second, smaller ring, inside the first. Sometimes, later, they installed a third. Then the whole assemblage would be filled in with debris, and an entirely new circle created nearby. The site may have been built, filled in, and built again for centuries.
These people were foragers, Schmidt says, people who gathered plants and hunted wild animals. Our picture of foragers was always just small, mobile groups, a few dozen people. They cannot make big permanent structures, we thought, because they must move around to follow the resources. They cant maintain a separate class of priests and craft workers, because they cant carry around all the extra supplies to feed them. Then here is Göbekli Tepe, and they obviously did that.
Discovering that hunter-gatherers had constructed Göbekli Tepe was like finding that someone had built a 747 in a basement with an X-Acto knife. I, my colleagues, we all thought, What? How? Schmidt said. Paradoxically, Göbekli Tepe appeared to be both a harbinger of the civilized world that was to come and the last, greatest emblem of a nomadic past that was already disappearing. The accomplishment was astonishing, but it was hard to understand how it had been done or what it meant. In 10 or 15 years, Schmidt predicts, Göbekli Tepe will be more famous than Stonehenge. And for good reason.
I cant say Im totally convinced of the whole these, perhaps the wooden huts blew away or are buried under the hill next-door. But certainly the old neat theory is dead. It was thought that the Neolithic revolution began with farming. To manage the farms, people needed permanent housing. To manage the stores of grain, they needed a stable society. But some settlements have been discovered from as far back as 13,000 B.C. (around where Palestinians, Lebanese, and Israelis reside). So another theory suggests villages came first, then farming and religion.
Göbekli Tepe, to Schmidts way of thinking, suggests a reversal of that scenario: The construction of a massive temple by a group of foragers is evidence that organized religion could have come before the rise of agriculture and other aspects of civilization. It suggests that the human impulse to gather for sacred rituals arose as humans shifted from seeing themselves as part of the natural world to seeking mastery over it.
Im not too sold on theories of humans shifting to seek mastery and what not either (what human didnt want mastery over cold, hunger and disease?) So I think the motivating force is straight out fear. The sentient empathetic intelligent soul needs a salve for all the pain that would have been a regular part of Paleolithic life.
Today the closest known wild ancestors of modern einkorn wheat are found on the slopes of Karaca Dağ, a mountain just 60 miles northeast of Göbekli Tepe. In other words, the turn to agriculture celebrated by V. Gordon Childe may have been the result of a need that runs deep in the human psyche, a hunger that still moves people today to travel the globe in search of awe-inspiring sights.
The photo gallery is true Nat Geo quality.
Its worth a look (these photos here are not from Nat Geographic).
Read the whole story: The Birth of Religion at National Geographic.
1. Teomancimit : Gobekli Tepe, Urfa
2. Erkcan: The sculpture of an animal at Gobekli Tepe, close to Sanliurfa.
3. Teomancimit: Göbekli Tepe, Şanlıurfa
“It would be instructive if one of the all scientists are moronic fakes crowd could speculate on what use or reason other than religion could have given rise to this monument.”
Maybe their team won the Pre-history Bowl that year.
They have a carving of Serpent Head Carville.
Thanks for posting! Fascinating stuff.
Because there’s no utility to it. It wasn’t a private residence (as even a palace would be), judging from the fact that it was open-air.
I find it fascinating to watch these so-called intellectuals and brilliant minds, tie themselves in knots to come up with some scenario; ANY scenario, for what may have happened there, just as long as they can leave GOD out of their thought processes, and N-E-V-E-R mention the Scriptures or any connection Biblical history might have thereto!There's no connection with the Scriptures because the site is 9000 years old, or 3000 years before Genesis. The OT mentions other sites specifically, some of which have been found by the same (or transliterated) names, because they were capitals of various neighboring groups.
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Thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach for the topic and ping, and thanks BenLurkin for the additional ping.
By the weirdest coincidence, if you visit the FR religion forum, you find it is filled with bloodthirsty troglodytes clubbing each other to death...
IMO, "cradle" is a misuse here. The people who built this place were somewhat beyond the cradle.
We just watched a show about this on Netflix a couple of days ago. Interesting theories. Thanks for posting!
Was VGöbekli Tepe the cradle of civilization?
Necessary to the health of the tribe. You need to interact with other groups so you need a place where you are sure to meet them and a place that is under a "peace bond" if you will.
So you set it up in a way that people can see it from a long way off thus the tall standing stones. Each tribe sets up a pillar and carve it with pictures to show it was theirs.
They rebuilt as old tribes died out or were absorbed by other tribes and new tribes were formed.
If it was a religious site then there should have been housing for a permanent staff of priests and their families as religious sites need to be tended. Can't have the gods getting ticked because some wolf peed on the stone sacred to Og lord of the trouser snake.
Meeting and trading centers have no such requirements, when you are done you just go.
Exactly!!! Everyone knows it was when they invented BEER.
Thanks for the link!!!
This site is part of the “Ancient Aliens” shows on the History Channel.
Say what you will about these guys, no one has been able to satisfactorily explain to me how these ancient cultures were able to mill gigantic stones into absolutely straight edges with smooth stones containing entaglio carvings or recess niches, also with straight edges and even depths.
You can theorize about hauling huge stones all you want, but cutting them, grinding them smooth, and doing the entaglio carving perfectly seems a bit out of the grasp of ancient bronze tools.
Again ... Thanks for the link ...
I just thought that I would expand on it ... Beer may have been given to us by Aliens (and if I knew how to post pictures I’d post the Alien guy with the Hair and Brown Suit)
Thanks again ... my buddies are all getting a kick out of the Vid
Wow ... hadn’t read your post but it was kinda cool the way they meshed.
As far as the Stone cutting and moving ... seeing some of those sites is definitely on my bucket list.
I also had an idea ... in the vid they mentioned how many gallons of beer it took to build the great pyramid ... some fairly simple math from then to now and we should be able to deduce the inflation rate using a REAL Monetary Base and therefore establish the value of anything in today’s market.
Just one more thing that Beer can do
Unfortunately every time I see an issue the lead story is always "How Global Warming will Drink Your Baby's Blood and Shoot Your Dog" etc.
Follow up (it’s always WHY)
Those Stones that they carved were also harder than the tools that they had available and ... they did not have the wheel and ... WHY did they feel the need to move (Import) them such a distance when easier to work materials were right there.
Just a couple more things that make ya go hmmmmmm
Here’s another puzzling thing that archeologists never explain.
There are several civilizations that have tombs cut deep into the bedrock or laid out with access throuh corridors deep in the pyramid or whatever structure. Many of the corridors and of course the tombs themselves are decorated with glyphs and painted scenes.
So how did the artists/carvers get enough light to carve and paint these tombs since they are absolutely black inside them when the archeologists of our time explore them with electric lights?
The usual answer is torches—but the ceilings of the corridors, tombs and painted scenes show no traces of soot from torches. How’d they do that?
Good question. Tomb builders, plasterers and tomb painters were issued candles, which were carefully accounted for and recorded by scribes. From these records we know that the day was split into two four-hour shifts with a break between.
The candles were constructed of canvas twisted into 35 cm lengths and bound spirally with linen webbing. This wick was then smeared with fat mixed with salt - the salt considerably reduced the amount of smoke and soot produced. These candles could not be held in the hand; instead they were placed singly or in groups of three in tall jars placed on shelves or in special niches in the walls.
One record states that 32 candles were used in a tomb every day for 22 days; another says that between 52 and 58 candles were used daily in a royal tomb.
So the clever addition of salt to the candle-fat prevented smoke and soot blackening the tomb or leaving any traces today.
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