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Darwin boy's find could rewrite history [Australia-Gun]
Australian Geographic ^ | 10 Jan 2012 | AAP with AG STAFF

Posted on 01/10/2012 1:11:20 PM PST by Theoria

A 500-year-old Portuguese gun has been found on an NT beach, and may suggest Europeans arrived earlier than thought.

A DARWIN BOY may help re-write Australia's history after unearthing what he believes is a 500-year-old Portuguese swivel gun on a Northern Territory beach.

Portugal occupied Timor from 1515 until 1975, although it is hotly debated whether Portuguese explorers made it to Australia, about 700km away.

Christopher Doukas made the discovery at Dundee Beach, about two hours' drive from Darwin. He found the gun when tides dipped to exceptional lows in January 2010, and he could walk out a long way from shore.

The boy, now aged 13, saw the item poking out of mud, dug it out with his father and took it back to his home. Striking resemblance

"As soon as we got it back into Darwin my dad got an angle grinder and nicked a little bit of it. We saw it was bronze, so we knew it was old," Christopher says.

Research on the internet showed the item - about the size of a rifle - bore a striking resemblance to Portuguese swivel guns, used as anti-personnel weapons on ships in the 16th Century.

(Excerpt) Read more at australiangeographic.com.au ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: australia; christopherdoukas; darwin; dundeebeach; godsgravesglyphs; gun; portugal; ship


1 posted on 01/10/2012 1:11:27 PM PST by Theoria
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To: Theoria
You'll put your eye out, kid.

/johnny

2 posted on 01/10/2012 1:17:33 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SunkenCiv
Ping.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/10/2012 1:21:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Theoria

Man, talk about a boys fantasy come true, this find is the thing of dreams.


4 posted on 01/10/2012 1:27:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Theoria

What a great find!


5 posted on 01/10/2012 1:28:13 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Theoria

Let me get this straight: The assumption is that it was lost there in its day, and has been there ever since?

So if John Glenn had lost a Ming vase while out collecting moon-rocks, that would prove what exactly?


6 posted on 01/10/2012 1:29:02 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

It simply proves that a gun of that age was found at that location.


7 posted on 01/10/2012 1:32:00 PM PST by Theoria
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To: Theoria

And the government arrested him and his Father for illegally owning a firearm.


8 posted on 01/10/2012 1:39:09 PM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Redleg Duke
And the government arrested him and his Father for illegally owning a firearm.

The liberals wouldn't have a problem with that at all. In fact they would approve.

9 posted on 01/10/2012 1:42:38 PM PST by BipolarBob (I don't mind you shooting at me, Frank, but take it easy on the Bacardi!)
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To: Theoria

500 years? Wow that’s almost as old as Obama saying “the rich must pay their fair share”


10 posted on 01/10/2012 1:43:59 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Illegal aliens do not belong in the USA. Deport Obama.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“He found the gun when tides dipped to exceptional lows in January 2010, and he could walk out a long way from shore. “
Wait just a minute,
they told us the ocean levels are rising due to global warming and everyone would drown. What do you mean the tide level was lower than normal, how can that be? Ocean levels are rising and the cause of hotter weather and earthquakes, tsunami’s and cyclones, and hurricanes. /S


11 posted on 01/10/2012 1:55:45 PM PST by 9422WMR
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To: Theoria

I used to work with a Filipino who was retired from the Navy. One day we were discussing the college he attended in the Philippines.

He said the college had actually been founded by Portuguese earlier than the Philippines had officially been discovered.


12 posted on 01/10/2012 1:59:40 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Theoria

And Australian officials haven’t busted him for having a dangerous ‘illegal weapon’ yet?
Considering how stupid they’ve been previously, I’m surprised.


13 posted on 01/10/2012 2:04:02 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Theoria
It is a boy's dream, I used to visit old Civil War battlefields with my dad and would look around for rusting guns. It took me to about 10 or so to realize why I never would find them, but I would of been in heaven to find something like this. Australia has lots of unknown history they genetically trace several different arrivals of aboriginal peoples.
14 posted on 01/10/2012 2:40:19 PM PST by dog breath
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To: yarddog

I believe Magellan’s ships were the first westerners who reached the Phillipines. Magellan was a Portuguese explorer who was in the employ of Charles I of Spain. He never got to enjoy the fruits of his labors. He was killed at the battle of Mactan by natives.


15 posted on 01/10/2012 2:42:30 PM PST by Ax
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To: Theoria

There is NO way I’d EVER go barefoot in Australia with all the spiders, scorpions and poisonous snakes there.


16 posted on 01/10/2012 2:44:12 PM PST by Ax
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To: dog breath

While we were visiting Fort Pickens near Pensacola, I found an old brass button in the sand. It was obviously a really old item.

Later while visiting the museum, I saw another button exactly like mine. They said it was from a Civil War union uniform. I kept it around for years but it finally just disappeared. I doubt it was worth anything but it always intrigued me that I had found an artifact which had actually been used in the war.


17 posted on 01/10/2012 2:53:08 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Theoria

The Portuguese had many secret navigation charts - these were the “top secret code word - eyes only” items of their day.

All of them were kept in the Lisbon Library which was totally demolished in the 18th Century by a mega-tsunami. So today, we have no idea what the Portuguese navigators knew or where they sailed.

There was a web site called Mysterious Australia which cataloged lots of stuff which predated the modern discovery of Australia, including, as I recall, many old Portuguese guns, swords, and armor found here an there over time. There are also supposed to be Megalithic structures as well.

But like most of these finds attributed to the Portuguese, there is no real documentation, like in situ photos, etc. So they are continually dismissed by the intelligencia.


18 posted on 01/10/2012 3:04:30 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: LearsFool

bump


19 posted on 01/10/2012 3:09:07 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Fred Nerks; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks JRandomFreeper!
A 500-year-old Portuguese gun has been found on an NT beach, and may suggest Europeans arrived earlier than thought...
I just wanted to excerpt that so no one gets confused. It's the town of Darwin, Australia. :')

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


20 posted on 01/10/2012 8:13:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Ax

I used to work with a guy who said that he had traced his geneology back to one of the natives who killed Magellan.


21 posted on 01/10/2012 8:25:59 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: dog breath

A few years ago, a team restoring the Mill Springs battlefield here in Kentucky found a flintlock stuck up under a rock ledge. The battle was fought of a cold, snowy, foggy morning and most of the Confederate units had old flintlocks that kept misfiring. The gun’s action had been partially disassembled, so they speculated that a Confederate had been trying to clear a misfire, got fed up, and got rid of the infernal troublemaker.


22 posted on 01/10/2012 8:35:11 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: LearsFool

I guess it would prove John Glenn went to the moon.

I have my grandfather’s cheap old double barrel, made before 1900. He never came to Idaho in his life, and yet, his gun is right here.


23 posted on 01/10/2012 8:38:49 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Many of the Northern troops had better guns by the end of the war then their Southern opponents. Sherman had repeating rifles in his march through Georgia and the Carolinas which I gather was a huge help with what pockets of resistance he met. Inferior weapons are a deadly curse for the poor guy trying to fight with them. That clumsy Portuguese gun would of been like having some magic power to kill from a distance to most natives they encountered.
24 posted on 01/10/2012 8:56:57 PM PST by dog breath
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To: married21
"I used to work with a guy who said that he had traced his geneology back to one of the natives who killed Magellan. "

I traced my family DNA and my grandmother (Mrs Smith) is related to this guy.

25 posted on 01/10/2012 8:59:14 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Just about all the first families of Virginia were descended from Pocahontas. (for instance Robert E. Lee) Her line almost died out too. She had only one child then that one also had only one and the next had only one but they all survived.

Finally one had around five and the line was fairly safe from then on.


26 posted on 01/10/2012 9:05:46 PM PST by yarddog
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To: 9422WMR; SunkenCiv; All

Probably was a combination of new moon low tide and off shore winds.


27 posted on 01/10/2012 9:12:03 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Theoria

I’m soooo confused.. Darwin? Portugese swivel gun? How could this have evolved????


28 posted on 01/11/2012 5:13:55 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: ansel12

I don’t think that is the only thing he fantasizes about. It reminds me of the kid in the movie Animal House who thanks god for the girl that pops through his window.


29 posted on 01/11/2012 5:26:27 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: married21

Sounds like there was some creative geneaology underway there.


30 posted on 01/12/2012 5:49:12 AM PST by Ax
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To: Ax

Sure. The guy’s family was from the pertinent part of the Philippines, but I don’t know how/whether he drilled down and got more specific than that. Church baptismal records wouldn’t go that far back.


31 posted on 01/12/2012 8:19:14 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Theoria

Wow I’m surprised to even see any news at all about Oz, seems to me the MSM in America just does not know what to do about Australia, the Land Down Under, the country of low unemployment and a higher rated country to live in.

And contrary to what most people think you can own a gun in Oz, and if for some reason your choice of gun requires too much paperwork then just make your own.


32 posted on 01/12/2012 8:27:43 AM PST by Eye of Unk (NO Romney,NO way)
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To: married21

I used to work with a guy who was an amateur anthropologist. He told me that in his studies, he learned that before the Magellan party arrived, life in the islands was so idyllic that they didn’t even have names for days of the week, or even weeks for that matter. It probably took the Spanish a couple of generations before they started keeping records and the people there could’ve told the priests took it as gospel and so wrote it. We’ll never know.


33 posted on 01/12/2012 12:43:59 PM PST by Ax
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