Romney would do worse than Santorum in a General Election - [Vanity]

Vanity ^ | 1/11/2012 | Self

[PieterCasparzen]

Interesting map at electoral-vote.com as it pertains to Mittens and Santorum.

If things played out according to the map and NO "Strong Dem" states went Repub, a Republican would have to win the following "Barely Dem" states:

MT = 3 MO = 10 IN = 11 OH = 18 NC = 15 FL = 29

And then they'd need 17 electoral votes out of 4 states that are "weak Democrat":

NH = 4 CO = 9 IA = 6 VA = 13

Mittens would win NH, but that only buys 4.

Santorum was strong in IA, would stand a good chance there.

They have an advantage over other Repubs because Romney and Santorum both have home states that are strong Democrat.

However, PA has 20 electoral votes and MA just 11.

It's fairly safe to assume that they would both win in their home states.

So if things played out according to that map, Santorum would not need the 17 "Weak Dem" electoral votes if he already had 20 from winning PA.

Mittens, however, would have 11 from MA and 4 from NH, so he would need 2 more, meaning he would have to beat Obama in either CO, IA or VA.

Of course, I'm assuming that all the Repub states on the map go Repub against Obama, which for Mittens may be a tall order, considering the states are:

AZ = 11 ND = 3 SD = 3 GA = 16 SC = 9

So SC may well be a bellweather as to how well Mittens might fare if he somehow makes it past conservatives in the Repub primary.

FL may choose Mitt over Santorum in the Primary, but in the General election, IMHO, both would have a good chance of beating Obama there.

[DallasSun]

You may be right. I just know on election night I will be holding my breath. I just know I cannot vote for Romney or Santorum. I look at the field...and am left choosing between Gingrich or Huntsman..and I do not think Huntsman stands a chance. And I am not fond of Newt. This is a hard election for me. So difficult. I am not happy. I know so many people who feel the same. How did we get here?

[lodi90]

“Santorum would lose handily IMO (though would make a decent VP).”

Newt has the cash and Santorum has the VP personality. They could really have a positive PR earthquake by uniting right now against Romney. They have to do it now because it will be too late once we get past FL if Slick Willard runs the table.

[Guenevere]

When did it become acceptable at Free Republic to 'slander' Santorum with nebulous references such as .....'he says crazy things'....without citing your source???

How do we verify this?.....are we to take you at your word?...

This is not acceptable.....and is not condoned on Free Republic.

[DallasSun]

Oh for heavens sakes. I never slandered anyone. And I gave my source when I said it was in my San Antonio paper. MySA.com. Easy to find and verify. Good grief.

[Yaelle]

I would trust Santorum with our Presidency. I could NEVER trust Gingrich with it, no matter how smart he is or what he knows or how well he debates. He is a very insecure, needy man, much like Obama and Clinton, and people like that are dishonest and will do what benefits them over the country. I have said this about Gingrich for over a decade at least on FR. (Though I am enjoying him in the debates.)

But if Santorum does well in an upcoming election, he needs, needs, needs to come out and say “Well, yes, everyone knows how I feel PERSONALLY about things like abortion and gay marriage. But there is no man or woman alive who doesn’t have personal convictions. If someone out there watching this is pro gay marriage or even in one, he or she might have opinions about the Christian church that I wouldn’t like, either. That’s what makes this such a great country. But I will be the President of every American, and my duty will be to keep America free and prosperous for each and every one of them.”

[PieterCasparzen]

I have to laugh.

People thinking that “only Mitt” can beat Obama.

If they read my post and followed it, they’d see that Santorum’s electoral vote prospects are much better than Mitt’s.

I based my analysis on this:

http://electoral-vote.com/

ALL the hardcore Repub support is in the southeast - which is going to be NO GREAT FAN of a NORTHEAST guy like Mitt.

Mitt’s best support is where Democrat support is strongest ! These are the states that Obama will most likely win.

Electoral vote breakdown:

Dem strong 253
Dem weak 32
Dem barely 73

Dem Total 358

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Rep barely 13
Rep weak 42
Rep strong 125

Rep Total 180

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Remember 270 is needed to win.

The Repub needs all 180 of R plus all 73 Dem barely plus 17 more votes.

Santorum has the biggest advantage of home state of ANY Repub candidate - his is a “strong dem” and has 20 electoral votes, more than Mitt’s 11 from MA.

So he does not need the 17 “Dem weak” votes to win.

[DallasSun]

That was great. Ever think about speech writing?

[Cboldt]

"Doing better" is irrelevant, assuming either one would win the general.

My [positive] dream is to see the present incarnation of the GOP killed. I would not object to Romney winning the nomination and losing the general. Events that put the fed in bad light, and so make the public want and demand a weaker fed, are positive in my eyes.

[Yaelle]

That was great. Ever think about speech writing?

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All the time. It is definitely a dream job of mine. Current job: raising 4 kids, the youngest sleeping on me right now in a fit of teething agony.

But every speech I hear I note whether I could have written one better or not. Many I could have improved. Actually, I do not like Romney, but his speech last night was pretty good, sadly. People might believe it as if he meant any of it. And my guy, Santorum, gave a lackluster speech, though at least he was mostly winging it. I hear that Romney just repeats lines from his written-for-him stump speech in his acceptance speeches.

[DallasSun]

Please do not give up on your dream. You are so articulate and eloquent...plus so sensible. That is very rare. I sympathize with you holding a teething baby. Wish I was there..I would give you a break and hold him awhile. I have a 9 year old grandson. I remember those teething days...moreso..the nights.

[DallasSun]

I am a frustrated editor. Oft times, I have to fight the urge to grab my red pen and correct something in my newspaper.

[DallasSun]

For the record, I did not request, nor do I desire, instruction from YOU...regarding what is and is not acceptable on Free Republic.

[Ingtar]

Santorum would lose handily IMO

Where does that leave us? In my opinion, Newt crashes and burns if nominated. No Santorum and no Gingrich leaves us poor in the nominee category.

[Guenevere]

Mr. Jim has strongly advised we keep it positive at FR.

We can highlight or build up or report on our chosen candidate....

..but we are not to get into food fights and tear down other poster's candidates.

I'm fully in Santorum's camp.

I say nice things about him.

There are other candidates I don't care for, but I stick with my candidate of choice and try to build him up for others .....

When facts are presented, ie links to articles, etc....that is fair game.

But to suggest Senator Santorum 'talks crazy' and not site sources, is not kind or fair..

Why don't you give us verbatim quotes and who wrote the piece and let us consider it or refute it if need be.

[DallasSun]

Stop. Just stop. You are in no position to go around the forum admonishing anyone. I know exactly what JR has said and I always respect his opinions and wishes. But for YOU to say you do not get in food fights? I will address that in private with you.....your comment...you try to build up your candidates for others????? That is so revealing and does not reflect well on you...Did you see the article Sunday..also in my paper..feel free to research...one said. Santorum..while in the Senate, was a bully without the power to be a bully. He was a name caller...Trent Lott said hopefully Santorum had matured and grown up as he has gotten older..for Republicans to be saying this does not bode well for Rick. He is your candidate. I have no problem with that. It is you who always has a problem with those who disagree with you. I do not expect or want all to agree with me. We all have a right to our opinions...btw..there is a thread up using the word crazy AND moonbat!! You better go over there and admonish the publisher thereof! I do not need your admonishments. Thank you for your concern for this forum. I have been here over a decade. I know it as well as you. Hope everything is Peachy with you.

[Patton@Bastogne]

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Astronaut,


There's substantial evidence (as reported by the Wall Street Journal) that Mitt Romney-Bain Capital "did in fact" financially "rape and pillage" some corporations ...

WITHOUT A THOUGHT to cleaning up their business.

Care to argue with the Wall Street Journal about that ?



Newt Ginrich's Press Release today (2012-01-11) about Mitt Romney and Bain Captital's "Vulture Capitalism" ....


Spartanburg, SC – Newt 2012 released the following statement from Press Secretary R.C. Hammond responding to misleading reports on an exchange Newt Gingrich had with a voter in Spartanburg, SC


Regarding Mitt Romney’s record at Bain Capital (during which the phrase “I crossed the line” was never uttered from Newt, despite the headline from Politico):

“This issue at hand is neither about Bain Capital, private equity firms, nor about capitalism.

It is about Mitt Romney’s judgment and character. It was Governor Romney’s decision to base his candidacy, in large part, on his background as a portfolio manager.

Thus, it is entirely legitimate to ask questions about whether he is accurately presenting how he conducted himself during that career.

“Reports by the Wall Street Journal and others contradict Governor Romney's claims that it was his goal at Bain Capital to make companies more successful.

In fact, there were cases where Bain Capital made huge profits and left companies bankrupt.

Further reports have cast doubt on Governor Romney's claim that he was responsible for 100,000 jobs being created thanks to his work at Bain Capital.

“Instead of accepting the responsibility to answer questions about his business background, the Romney campaign is throwing up a smokescreen about an attack on capitalism.

That’s just more pious baloney from Mitt Romney and his campaign.”


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As usual, Newt Gingrich "nailed it" perfectly ...

We're now (breathlessly) waiting for Mitt Romney's response ...

... including releasing his Federal Income Tax Returns ...




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[Mind-numbed Robot]

Slick Mitt would set the conservative movement back for at least a decade.

How? Conservatives have core values that don't change over time or because of the candidate. How is Mitt going to affect that? Do you think the Tea Party Movement will not be as interested this time as last?

[rintense]

The Tea Party has already been affected, and will be squashed into oblivion if Romney is nominated.

You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.

[Guenevere]

I apologize ....this has upset you.

I feel the need to defend Senator Santorum when folks post information that I think is incorrect.

Truce

[Joe 6-pack]

"He was a name caller...Trent Lott said hopefully Santorum had matured and grown up as he has gotten older.."

LOL....criticism from RINO Lott is an absolute plus for Santorum.