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Bus Confrontation Caught on Video in Bellflower
NBC Los Angeles ^ | January 11, 2012 | Kim Baldonado

Posted on 01/11/2012 11:27:08 AM PST by Altariel

When Jermaine Green and his fiancee Violet Roberts got on a Metro bus in Bellflower Monday night, they took notice of another passenger.

"The lady got on the bus with a stroller full of pillows, she was very polite, said hello to everyone and sat down," Green said.

At the next stop, two LA County sheriff's deputies, one male and one female, boarded the bus and called the passenger by name.

"They said get off the bus. She then started cursing at (the female deputy). You could tell she had special needs. After that they grab her, she curses him out, calls him a big shot, next thing you know he gives her a big shot," Green said.

Green captured the incident with his cell phone's video camera.

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Green claims the deputies then tried to intimidate him when he refused to hand over his cell phone.

"He comes to me and says you can be under arrest if you don't give me that video," Green said.

Green said the deputy then asked if he had any warrants.

"I said no, I'm a veteran, I just came back, I have six years, I have no record, and he said 'We'll see about that.'"

Why didn't Green want to hand over this video to the deputies involved?

"I think they would try to cover it up. I think a lot of things get covered up and people need to come forward if they see something, report it because it can't be fixed unless it's brought to the public's attention," Green said.

A sheriff's department spokesman told NBCLA over the phone the department would not comment on this case and would not look at the videotape, but the spokesman said the department does investigate all use of force claims.

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Thank you, Mr. Green! You are a hero.
1 posted on 01/11/2012 11:27:19 AM PST by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Isn’t the new mantra “If you see something, say something?”


2 posted on 01/11/2012 11:35:18 AM PST by hometoroost (Frodo lives!)
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To: Altariel

LA County Sheriffs tend to recruit a lot of lowlifes, not the least of which is Sheriff Lee Baca.


3 posted on 01/11/2012 11:36:17 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Altariel

At first I thought two buses were fighting.


4 posted on 01/11/2012 11:37:42 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Altariel

Well hell, at least they didn’t shoot the dog. Oh yeah, there was no dog. Good thing for the dogs ‘cause sure as shootin’ if one had been around they would’ve been shot.

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5 posted on 01/11/2012 12:13:39 PM PST by flatfish
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To: Altariel

These things are always reported out of context.

It looks to me like the deputies are being very patient with the lady while she verbally abuses them with curse words bleeped out and finally they take appropriate action to stop her and are still very careful in the apprehension and the arrest.

The context, I would speculate, is that the bus driver called the police perhaps because of a history with this lady being disruptive before.

Also, as the poster above noted, a stroller full of pillows might make some people uncomfortable in these “see something, say something” times we live in.

Does she have a right to make life uncomfortable for the people around her? The L.A. area has too many “mentally ill” crazy people and folks are tired of being held hostage to their threatening (and often outright violent) behavior.


6 posted on 01/11/2012 12:29:40 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: Altariel

People who work for the government have rights. The people the government works for, eh, not so much.


7 posted on 01/11/2012 12:36:18 PM PST by AnTiw1
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To: La Enchiladita
The context, I would speculate, is that the bus driver called the police perhaps because of a history with this lady being disruptive before.

All assumption you could as easily assume that the deputies just wanted to hassle her. If they are not arresting her then she does not have to get off the bus.

Also, as the poster above noted, a stroller full of pillows might make some people uncomfortable in these “see something, say something” times we live in.

Being uncomfortable is not a reason to allow police brutality or illegal restraint or searches. If being uncomfortable is a valid reason then the country is too far gone and there will be a civil war. Verbal abuse is not reason enough to strike someone.

Does she have a right to make life uncomfortable for the people around her?

Just like you and I have no right not to be offended no one has the right not to be uncomfortable.

8 posted on 01/11/2012 12:55:51 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: La Enchiladita

They are not supposed to respond to insults with force. Unless the passenger grabbed the male deputy’s genitals or went for his weapon - no excuse. He had his hand on her arm; the female deputy had her hand on the passenger’s shoulder; I didn’t see any sudden motion of the passenger’s arm. He just let go of her arm and punched her.

Pillows? If this woman is mentally ill, developmentally disabled or homeless, she probably travels with her pillows. If she’s not leaving them behind, she’s no more suspicious than anyone with travelling with their baggage. “DHS, there’s a crazy-looking fat lady here with some pillows? I’m worried about a foam and feather attack?”

If she’s non-threatening (quiet and polite) she has every right to ride that bus, and I’d have no problem riding with her. If she smells, I’d go upwind.


9 posted on 01/11/2012 1:00:15 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Ratman83

How can YOU assume the “the deputies just wanted to hassle her?” They do not routinely board public buses without being called. The stroller lady was the one acting up, not the deputies.

And look at how quickly you allege “police brutality” when there is no evidence of such in the video.

Please tell me about the society you envision where we have no law enforcement.


10 posted on 01/11/2012 1:02:23 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: heartwood

As I said, you don’t know the context. The bus driver could have had a history with the lady. They’re out there several hours a day and become familiar with the clientele. Something may have occurred on a previous bus trip the same day.

The video doesn’t give you before and after, and it is an all-too-typical “gotcha” which local media loves to air, especially the most leftist of all, the NBC station. They want us all to become judge and jury without knowing the facts.


11 posted on 01/11/2012 1:12:15 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: La Enchiladita
How can YOU assume the “the deputies just wanted to hassle her?” It is just like you saying that they were called by the bus driver, an assumption. Just as I stated in my comment.

Striking the women was police brutality. If I just hit someone then I commit a crime, for police it is called police brutality.

12 posted on 01/11/2012 1:12:38 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

Leo Terrell, is that you?


13 posted on 01/11/2012 1:18:33 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Manuel Ramos, is that you?


14 posted on 01/11/2012 1:20:19 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: La Enchiladita

Maybe the bus driver did call the cops. Maybe every time there’s a red light she takes out her watch and if they stop for more than sixty seconds she pisses in her seat.

But I did not see her do anything that would justify that punch. Maybe her left hand did something we didn’t see but if it didn’t, no excuse. I’ve gotten cursed and called names doing my job - I don’t get to punch anyone for it.

And the deputies threatening Jermaine Green and telling him he had to give up his cell? The department spokesman saying there are no plans to use that video in the mandatory investigation? That doesn’t make the sheriff’s department look like it knows it’s on the side of truth and justice here.


15 posted on 01/11/2012 1:22:43 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Ratman83

You make me uncomfortable. Get to the back of the bus.


16 posted on 01/11/2012 1:26:06 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Ah, the ongoing criminal conspiracy that is Los Angeles Law Enforcement. A lot of lowlifes about sums it up.
17 posted on 01/11/2012 1:42:10 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

Typical of you to come in and paint all law enforcement with a broad brush.

When you slander ALL of Los Angeles law enforcement, you are also slandering HUNDREDS of military veterans and active duty military officers. May I assume that you are also anti-U.S. military?


18 posted on 01/11/2012 1:55:39 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: La Enchiladita
I am a veteran of the U.S. Air Force.

L.A. Law Enforcement is notorious for being among the worst municipal police departments in the USA in terms of corruption and criminality.

And boot licking slime who circle the wagons around corrupt Police who beat women in public and try to steal the evidence of it don't help the situation.

19 posted on 01/11/2012 1:59:51 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
I am a veteran of the U.S. Air Force.

What does that mean exactly? What did you do in the Air Force?

As usual, it seems you have some kind of grudge due to an experience or two you have personally had with law enforcement. It seems to be a personal thing for you.

20 posted on 01/11/2012 2:05:10 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: La Enchiladita
What that means is that I volunteered to serve my nation and swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and I did so under orders for four years - I was Tactical Air Control, I told the pilots where to go to shoot down planes - and busted some drug planes.

This is not personal, why are you trying to make it personal, which is against FR rules? It is objective reality based upon evidence.

The L.A. Police Department is an ongoing criminal conspiracy of some low rent scumbags and their enablers, and their criminality is helps immeasurably by those members of the public who think a Police officer beating a woman and stealing the evidence of it is just fine with them.

I have had ZERO runs in with Law Enforcement outside of a traffic ticket in Florida (which I, being in my USAF uniform, managed to talk my way out of) and in San Diego (which has a reputation as a fine upstanding Police Department - if a bit heavy handed) and he said I was the friendliest guy he stopped all week - and wrote me a ticket! So no, all my “run ins” with Law Enforcement have been quite peachy - but thanks for trying to make it personal.

So why are you such a boot licker? Do you have some sort of crush personally on members of L.A. law enforcement? It seems to be a personal thing for you.

21 posted on 01/11/2012 2:18:13 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: driftdiver

Im sorry massa im going.


22 posted on 01/11/2012 2:22:49 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: allmendream; La Enchiladita

Allmendream he is not worth the effort. He thinks that the police can do no wrong and that mittens is the man.


23 posted on 01/11/2012 3:17:26 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
I got the gist that he thought it not only OK for the LEO to strike the woman without cause but also to attempt to illegally take the witnesses recording.

‘Servile boot licker’ doesn't seem to even encapsulate the enormity!

24 posted on 01/11/2012 3:20:26 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

I think it might be that his nose is stuck someplace that makes it impossible for him to see reality.


25 posted on 01/11/2012 3:23:26 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83
Reminds me of a joke....

What is the difference between a brown noser and a sh*t head?

Depth perception.

26 posted on 01/11/2012 3:33:26 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Altariel

Let’s see. They won’t look at the tape, but they will investigate. UUUUH, OK!


27 posted on 01/11/2012 3:41:08 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: La Enchiladita

How do you explain the deputies demands for the camera?


28 posted on 01/11/2012 3:57:55 PM PST by bvw
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To: Ratman83

“All assumption you could as easily assume that the deputies just wanted to hassle her. If they are not arresting her then she does not have to get off the bus.”

What if, for the sake of argument she had been banned from riding the bus and had got on anyway? Could the police remove her then? Or would they have to arrest her for being on the bus had she been banned?


29 posted on 01/11/2012 6:45:49 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: La Enchiladita; Ratman83

“And look at how quickly you allege “police brutality” when there is no evidence of such in the video.”

I have seen the video. Both officers had her hands then the male hauled off and slugged her in the face! Just damn!


30 posted on 01/11/2012 6:49:05 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana
What if, for the sake of argument she had been banned from riding the bus and had got on anyway?

Yes that could have been the case and then the officers should have placed her under arrest. They did not, so what were they doing.

31 posted on 01/12/2012 4:30:03 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

Sounds like harassment to me.


32 posted on 01/12/2012 7:11:51 AM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

Agreed


33 posted on 01/12/2012 7:38:58 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: allmendream; Ratman83

You’re both basement-dwelling trolls and I am female, which is very clear in my user name.

I respect the law. That doesn’t mean I lick their boots; that must be some sick sex fantasy you have, allmendream.

The suspect bus rider does not respect the law or other member of the public. She is and was a nuisance. She has a history of violence and prior arrests for assault. She was disturbing the peace. That is a misdemeanor offense and she has to pay the price.

I am glad the sheriff’s deputies arrived to arrest her and protect the public.

You two also respect the law or you would be in jail or prison. You are too cowardly to actually commit the crimes you admire, so you sit at your computers and talk like juvenile delinquents. I am not impressed.


34 posted on 01/12/2012 1:35:57 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: driftdiver; Morgana
You make me uncomfortable. Get to the back of the bus.

There is a misdemeanor offense called "disturbing the peace." That is what Julie Nelson was doing. The sheriff's deputies were responding to a 911 call from a member of the public who, among others, was being threatened by Ms. Nelson.

Would you prefer the public take the law in their own hands and take her down? I think she would have ended up in worse shape that way.

Audio of 911 call and further info here: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-woman-struck-by-deputy,0,6826531.story

Last but not least, a snip from the story: Baca says the woman has a history of mental problems. She has four prior convictions for assaulting cops and a reputation for getting into conflicts with people, according to Baca.

35 posted on 01/12/2012 1:41:10 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: La Enchiladita; Morgana

I was makin a joke, sheesh!


36 posted on 01/12/2012 1:45:05 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bvw
How do you explain the deputies demands for the camera?

Jermaine Green, who taped the confrontation via his cellphone SAYS that the deputy " threatened to arrest him if he did not hand over his phone." You just have to take Green's word for it, as there is no other evidence the deputy said this.

37 posted on 01/12/2012 1:46:11 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: driftdiver

I know what you were doing. It’s called “ridicule.”


38 posted on 01/12/2012 1:48:37 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Depth perception dear, depth perception.


39 posted on 01/12/2012 1:53:18 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

I don’t care where and when you claim to have served this nation. Speaking with you is BENEATH me.


40 posted on 01/12/2012 2:00:01 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: La Enchiladita

yeah heaven forbid the militarized law enforcement should be ridiculed when they beat on someone.

such a tragedy


41 posted on 01/12/2012 2:16:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

42 posted on 01/12/2012 2:25:05 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: driftdiver

I don’t see any beating taking place. For example, where is the photo of the mark left on Ms. Nelson’s face -— by “militarized law enforcement” -— or anywhere on her body, for that matter, by a “beating?”

Because of camera angle, we can’t see the exact move that brought Ms. Nelson down, but apparently, it did not leave a mark.


43 posted on 01/12/2012 2:27:28 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: Altariel

I like cops, but boy, I like the cell phone video cameras even more.

They need classes for the cops and deputies: “You have no expectation of privacy while you are performing your job. Don’t hassle the guys with the phone cams, except maybe to get their personal info if you need the video for evidence.”


44 posted on 01/12/2012 2:28:04 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

Yep. It’s sad that this needs to be said, though.

Cell phone video cameras can be a good asset for cops as evidence that they did *not* engage in a given criminal behavior.

They should encourage the public to videotape them.


45 posted on 01/12/2012 2:33:30 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: La Enchiladita

yeah you’re one of those ‘the cops can do no wrong’ crowd. Its BENEATH me to speak with you.


46 posted on 01/12/2012 2:36:53 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Altariel

This reminds me of a scene in MIB where they have a room full of monster cutouts and one of a little girl with chemistry books. Its a test of MIB applicants.

Its the little girl popup that gets nailed in the head, does anyone know why?

Quite frankly if I saw something that strange I would get away real fast, situational awareness, its the new trend.


47 posted on 01/12/2012 2:40:40 PM PST by Eye of Unk (NO Romney,NO way)
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To: Morgana

Despicable for making a joke? Get a life


48 posted on 01/12/2012 2:46:48 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Dude!!! I was making a funny too! Thought you’d get it.


49 posted on 01/12/2012 4:00:34 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: driftdiver

http://youtu.be/WS5R6ztNTqc


50 posted on 01/12/2012 4:05:10 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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