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Roman helmet turns history on its head
Telegraph (UK) ^ | Wednesday, January 11, 2012 | Anita Singh

Posted on 01/11/2012 8:44:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Every school child used to learn how the British defended their land during the Roman Conquest.

But the discovery of a 2,000-year-old Roman helmet beneath a Leicestershire hillside suggests a different story. Rather than repel the invaders, some Britons fought in the Roman ranks.

The ornate helmet was awarded to high-ranking cavalry officers and was found at the burial site of a British tribal leader. According to experts, it transforms our understanding of the Roman Conquest...

The treasure, known as the Hallaton Helmet after the area where it was found, dates to around the time of the Roman invasion in AD43. A Roman goddess flanked by lions adorns the brow, while the cheek pieces feature a Roman emperor trampling a barbarian beneath his horse's hooves...

It was first unearthed in 2000 by Ken Wallace, a retired design and technology teacher who was out testing his £260 second-hand metal detector near his Leicestershire home...

The site yielded 5,500 coins -- the largest Iron Age hoard ever found in Britain -- and the helmet, which had been broken into nearly 1,000 pieces... The helmet was unveiled at the British Museum yesterday after a decade of restoration work paid for by a £650,000 Heritage Lottery Fund grant.

The identity of the Briton commemorated at the burial site is unknown but the artefacts show that he was an important figure.

It is difficult to put a price on the helmet, but in 2010 a bronze Roman helmet with face mask was sold for £2.3 million at Christie's.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; romanempire; romaneseuntdomus; unitedkingdom
The Hallaton helmet will go on permanent display at Harborough Museum later this month Photo: Christopher Pledger

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1 posted on 01/11/2012 8:44:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 01/11/2012 8:50:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Why couldn’t it be the helmet of a Roman Top Dog that the Briton had brought down in battle and they buried the trophy with him?


3 posted on 01/11/2012 8:55:13 PM PST by abigkahuna
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To: SunkenCiv

And they’re 100% sure that this was a presentation to this tribal chief, and not one of his particularly prized trophies from the field of battle?


4 posted on 01/11/2012 8:56:57 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It`s a War trophy.

The Indians in Massachusetts during the New England Indian Wars wore captured/killed British 3-pointed hats and braided gold jackets.

During the 1690`s & 1709 up until 1753, the French, in skirmishes with Dutch-English combined forces out of Fort Edward and Schuylerville, wore Spanish chest armor captured from the Dutch, still to be seen in Fort Ticonderoga Museum glass case.


5 posted on 01/11/2012 8:57:18 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Spanish armor in New York? Who knew?)
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To: SunkenCiv
It was a fancy decorative helmet, not a combat helmet. That would leave the question whether it was a fancy gift to show appreciation to tribal allies or actually a sign that this chieftain was a member of the Roman Army. In this country fancy things like decorative tomahawks, medals, pipes, hats, clothes and assorted doodads and were given to various Indian leaders to try and get them to cooperate.
6 posted on 01/11/2012 8:59:08 PM PST by dog breath
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To: SunkenCiv

save for later


7 posted on 01/11/2012 9:00:16 PM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thought it was common knowledge that some of the Celtic tribes aligned with the Romans.


8 posted on 01/11/2012 9:03:12 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Me too.


9 posted on 01/11/2012 9:06:12 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: SunkenCiv

So what has changed exactly? My 1991 edition of “The Oxford History of Britain” discusses the Claudian invasion of 43AD and reads....

“The invasion met with fierce resistance from some of the British tribes. Others, no doubt not sorry to see the Catuvellaunian hegemony in southern Britain destroyed, surrendered easily or joined the Romans.”


10 posted on 01/11/2012 9:07:52 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: bunkerhill7

I agree.


11 posted on 01/11/2012 9:08:38 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: justa-hairyape

———————Thought it was common knowledge that some of the Celtic tribes aligned with the Romans.-———————

*SHRUG*

Some Americans sided with the communists too.

Reagan spoke about this in his Rendezvous with Destiny speech. “Better red than dead”, or, “I’d rather live on my knees than die on my feet”.


12 posted on 01/11/2012 9:09:14 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: vladimir998

Wonder how many banquets the chief had to throw to get rewarded with that.


13 posted on 01/11/2012 9:13:52 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: SunkenCiv

Booty taken from a dead Roman or dead Romans, then lost somehow seems as likely an explanation.


14 posted on 01/11/2012 9:16:11 PM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: SunkenCiv

British soldier to another British soldier, after capturing a Roman: Now let ME wear the helmet:)!


15 posted on 01/11/2012 9:22:38 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: abigkahuna; Little Pig

The picture of pre-Claudian Britain has changed in the last generation or so.
16 posted on 01/11/2012 9:33:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: justa-hairyape

Absolutely. There were rebel tribes and others that aligned with Rome. It’s common knowledge to all but newspaper reporters, apparently.

Then again, that could be said of many topics.


17 posted on 01/11/2012 9:34:10 PM PST by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: dog breath

And the Romans had a policy of doing just those kinds of things, while maintaining order and rule over an empire of 50 million people with thousands of miles of frontier, using an army of 140,000, and up to another 140,000 or so (probably much less) auxiliaries.


18 posted on 01/11/2012 9:44:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: justa-hairyape; vladimir998; JoeDetweiler; Ciexyz; Kiss Me Hardy

:’) Thanks!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2831818/posts?page=16#16


19 posted on 01/11/2012 9:45:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Beowulf9

LOL!


20 posted on 01/11/2012 9:45:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Western civilization is the last vestige of the Roman empire. Two millenia later, and here we are, still using the latin alphabet. Amazing, isn’t it. The Roman empire never went away, it just kind of spread out a bit.


21 posted on 01/11/2012 9:45:59 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Kiss Me Hardy

They were apparently referring to what English kids are now taught in schools. Gee. Can you imagine if all that you knew was what you learned in school ? That seems like ages ago to some of us.


22 posted on 01/11/2012 9:51:33 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: abigkahuna

That was exactly my question!


23 posted on 01/11/2012 9:53:44 PM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The article was written by Anita Singh. That could explain a lot...

“Anita Singh is the Daily Telegraph’s Showbusiness Editor, covering film, television, music and celebrity misbehaviour.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/anita-singh/


24 posted on 01/11/2012 10:05:47 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: SunkenCiv
Rather than repel the invaders, some Britons fought in the Roman ranks.

But this is nothing new. You can find it in (IIRC) "The History of the English Speaking People" which was written in the 1930's.

As with every other invasion some of the weaker groups joined with the invaders to overthrow the established order. For some reason the idea of living under Pax Romana where you sent Rome a bit of money every year was more appealing then seeing your villages and farms raided and your people carried off as slaves by your more powerful neighbors. I can't imagine why, but there you go.

25 posted on 01/11/2012 10:10:46 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: factoryrat

Quite so, it has spread out over most of the Earth.


26 posted on 01/11/2012 10:12:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The way the Romans expanded in Gaul, Germania and down the Danube was by fighting only when potential enemies couldn’t be brought onto their side.

Not surprising to me that this would occur in Britain, as well.


27 posted on 01/11/2012 10:13:00 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: dog breath
In this country fancy things like decorative tomahawks, medals, pipes, hats, clothes and assorted doodads and were given to various Indian leaders to try and get them to cooperate.

And blankets.

28 posted on 01/11/2012 10:21:02 PM PST by Dysart (#Changeitback)
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To: SunkenCiv; reaganaut

Quick poll: Which spelling do you prefer?

1) Boudicca

2) Boadicea


29 posted on 01/11/2012 10:27:26 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Stupidity killed the cat. Curiosity was framed.)
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To: mrreaganaut

2) Boadicea


30 posted on 01/12/2012 2:32:58 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (I prefer Crony Capitalism to Crony Judicialism...unless it's MY crony on the bench)
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To: SunkenCiv

It entirely likely that some Brits fought for the Romans, while others fought against. Celts are a fractious lot. If one tribe saw a way to clobber some much-despised neighbors with Roman help, there is a good chance they’d it!
Roman were good at driving such wedges between their enemies...


31 posted on 01/12/2012 4:29:32 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kiss Me Hardy

Welcome back to FR!! You haven’t posted here since 2009. I thought you may have quit totally.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:kissmehardy/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


32 posted on 01/12/2012 6:31:01 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: justa-hairyape

it should be. But too many folks get their history from Hollywood.


33 posted on 01/12/2012 6:36:38 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Pan_Yan

ping


34 posted on 01/12/2012 6:39:24 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: factoryrat

it spread farther than that — for example, many of the Arab countries have currencies dinar derived from the name denarii.


35 posted on 01/12/2012 6:42:47 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: SunkenCiv

“An alternative theory that the helmet was seized as booty can be discounted because it was a symbolic item not designed to be worn in battle.”

Interesting article and we do know that natives often were recruited into the Roman military during invasions. Frequently the Romans used intertribal disputes as levers to work their way into a territory.

But I simply can’t buy that argument. An article of great worth, acquired in battle as a trophy could most certainly be buried with the acquirer.


36 posted on 01/12/2012 8:10:17 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cavalry was the main arm for which Romans used foreign troops.


37 posted on 01/12/2012 8:18:51 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JoeDetweiler
Correct.

....some Britons fought in the Roman ranks.

It's always that way. Some locals side always with the invaders. I would refer to them as Quislings but it is too loaded a word.

38 posted on 01/12/2012 8:21:59 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thurought history Empires have used a divide and conquer strategy to subdue unruly tribal areas. The British were the most sucessful example of an Empire using these tactics in the 17th to 19th centruies. They subdued and ruled India using these tactics

“Use a tribial enemy when fighting a tribe” was a comon Roman tactic.

I doubt the British celtic tribes were some how exempt from this tribal weakness


39 posted on 01/12/2012 9:00:00 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: BenLurkin

No it is wrong to call them traitors. A National identy did not exist for these people. Their loyalty was to family-clan and tribe. The rival tribes were enemies. Allying with the Romans to vanquish a rival tribe was simply and example of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” to them.


40 posted on 01/12/2012 9:03:29 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: SunkenCiv

They knew it was a gift because the price tag was still on the helment.


41 posted on 01/12/2012 10:32:40 AM PST by Miles the Slasher
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To: mrreaganaut

1) Boudicca


42 posted on 01/12/2012 8:14:09 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: bunkerhill7

Right. After the battle of Isandlwana, Zulu warriors wore British uniform jackets and helmets as trophies.


43 posted on 01/13/2012 6:24:45 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Prepare for Armageddon! Buy brass and lead!)
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To: abigkahuna

Because that wouldn’t get them a grant for further research.


44 posted on 01/13/2012 2:29:56 PM PST by BJClinton (10 years ago we had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Now we have no jobs, no hope and no cash.)
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Thanks to all, this is a good discussion!


45 posted on 01/13/2012 8:46:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy Friday the 13th, everyone!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Okay, let’s see now - - - . We have the burial site of a “ - - - British tribal leader. - - - “ (or maybe a Roman who fought for that British Tribe?); we have 5,500 coins; - - -hmmmmmmmm, may we assume that some of the tribe were “merry men?”

If so then this could have been the very first Robin Hood! As Robin Hood #1 he would done what Robin Hood # 2 did: he have stolen from the Government, which were the Romans.

Who was the Sheriff of Nottingham back then?

Today in un-merry America then is no Robin Hood who steals from the government, but we do have our Sheriff of Nottingham! Yep! You guessed it, none other than Timmy Gee. Whatever money that you earn he thinks he owns it.


46 posted on 01/13/2012 9:24:12 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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