Skip to comments.Tanks-snow-and-movie-shooting (new Stalingrad movie being filmed in Russia)
Posted on 01/12/2012 3:47:20 PM PST by dynachrome
Shooting the Life And Fate movie took place at a tank range Alabino. Welcome to the movie set with a lot of tanks, snow and other interesting things.
(Excerpt) Read more at englishrussia.com ...
(looks like some rather racy videos are below the story)
The book “Life and Fate” was smuggled out of the Soviet Union. Parts of the book are missing. With a story like this the film writes itself.
I’ll hand it to the Russkies, when it comes to war films, nobody does it better.
I’m impressed that they were able to find six functional T-34s. (I’m not good with the individual models...can anyone tell if they’re T-34/76s or the end-of-war T-34/85s?)
One of them is a T-34/76, the rest are all T-34/85s.
Recalling scenes from the movie “Liberation” (1968) about the Battle of Kursk on YouTube, I’d say the old MosFilm kept a huge stock of T/34’s and captured German tanks.
“able to find six functional T-34s”
They are pack rats when it comes to hoarding old weapons. Look how many Mosin Nagants are still around!
*Waves hand frantically*
Oooo, oooo, I know, I know.
Napoleon Bonaparte, 1812, right?
Maybe they borrowed the T-34s from North Korea?
Germany never had the population that could absorb the sheer manpower losses inflicted at Stalingrad while the Soviet Union did. While we in the West can bemoan the fact that it was these two tyrannies fighting for last person standing, the war and the world would have been a completely different place without this battle.
Of course this pre-supposes different people in charge of these two nations. Herr Hitler and Comrade Stalin should go down in history as idiots fully capable of snatching defeat over and over from victory.
Still it is the unsung masses who are the heroes and victims of Stalingrad and Leningrad (places which no longer bear those names) who endured hardships we can barely acknowledge let alone imagine enduring ourselves. If I were to ever meet a survivor, let alone a fighting veteran, of those campaigns, I would have no difficulty in saluting him or her.
PS: What is your favorite Bolo story?
I still believe that had the Nazis taken Moscow, Stalin would have been deposed, and the Bolshies may have gone down with him, and replaced by a new regime, that would have rallied the Russians to victory.
“favorite Bolo story’
I like the ones with a bit of humor (Laumer’s Retief series should be a TV show!)
“destroyed the German Army’s reserve”
I’d throw in Kursk, also.
Unlike the movie, which was only about Vasily Zaitsev, the book describes the whole campaign. Lots of really great individual accounts give a real sense of what both sides had to endure.
When I read about Stalingrad and Dunkirk I start to think we should have given Herman Goering a medal at Nuremberg, and then had a trial.
Yeah, love English Russia but the ads are definitely NSFW.
Anyhow, hope the movie is good. Russia's film industry is really coming along. I have access to a lot of Russian entertainment so hopefully I'll get to see it reasonably soon.
i am a fan of all of the BOLOS books, it would be a royal treat indeed to see a Mark XXXIII Bolo in battle!
Its unusual but possibly historically significant at least for a couple more generations that while Russia can film a movie using near period perfect tanks in Hollywood it has to be done with CGI.
Even back in when another big film came out about that very same tank battle Hollywood had to make do with mostly mocked up US tanks, and in the earlier Pearl harbor films and Tora, Tora, Tora they had to use US made planes disguised to look like Japanese fighters.
Agreed! These were the WW2 Germany's "Lost Legions" / Publius Quinctilius Varus and the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. Expansion can and does continue but it is more momentum and the hollow military becomes the norm and the foot soldier knows it to his bones!
Yeah, but which one and from which of the Allies? The only one that I can think of from the USofA is the "Legion of Merit" and "Fat Hermann" would demand the Commander rank at a minimum.
I wonder if Reichsmarschall Goering was an inspiration for the "Peter Principal"? He certainly exemplified it.
Oh, come on. They should do a REALLY good tank battle - KURSK!
A lot of tanks from both sides were lost and abandoned in winter conditions. When spring came, what do you know but the ice beneath them melted and suddenly the vehicle is at the bottom of a lake, river or bog.
There are lot's of YouTube videos of tanks and other armored vehicles being recovered in eastern Europe. Many of these are subsequently restored to operating condition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYuzqSfaSRU
I loved that movie and it was amazing how it turned into not just a battle between two men, but between two nations.
A good ficitonal book about Kursk is the “Last Citadel” by David Robbins:
“The battle for the Soviet city of Kursk in July 1943 during World War II involved two million soldiers. Code-named Citadel, it was Hitler’s frenzied—and final—attempt to defeat Russia on the eastern front and was the largest buildup of German armed power of the war. Robbins re-creates the battle in this rousing novel: its characters being Hitler; his generals and advisers; Russian, German, and Spanish foot soldiers and tank drivers; fighter pilots (both men and women); partisans; and even elderly men and women digging trenches. Robbins, author of War of the Rats (1999) and Scorched Earth (2002), has done extensive research into the weapons and planes used in the battle, bringing to life the horrors of war”
“This battle lasted from August 1942 to January 1943 and destroyed the German Army’s reserve, that portion of ability that is needed to win campaigns.
Germany never had the population that could absorb the sheer manpower losses inflicted at Stalingrad while the Soviet Union did. While we in the West can bemoan the fact that it was these two tyrannies fighting for last person standing, the war and the world would have been a completely different place without this battle. “
It says something that being sent to the Russian front was considered the worst possible thing that could happen ot any Nazi, bureaucrat or soldier or concentration camp butcher. I am so thankful that the Russians never played by any rules and just went ahead and killed as many as possible. If we had done the same the war would have cost a lot less.
You already forgot about that GREAT synthesized tank battle in THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE? ;-)
I believe Kursk is still the biggest tank battle ever. (I could be wrong. Tank battles aren’t my strong point)
Good discussion here:
The novel “War of the Rats” was also about Zaitsev; the final sniper duel in the novel is infinitely better than the “Enemy at the Gates” movie.
I once was the hand receipt owner of a T54 Russian Tank including all of it’s basic equipment (Including a bottle of radiation medicine which looked a lot like aspirin.) I even was licensed to drive it.
Well, it IS the Russians filming.
Bolo? Most all of them.
Love those stories
The two acting main characters in Stalingrad are the Panzer-Oberst Vilshofen and Gnotke, NCO of a Punishment Company. Both men come from different backgrounds and experience the war differently. The Colonel is a convinced soldier who obeys orders and cares for his men. He fights with a sense of duty, but loses confidence in the German military leadership as he senses that he and his men are being sacrificed to a lost cause. NCO Gnotke's work is to collect the dead, or their dismembered parts, from the battlefield. He loses his humanity as he works under constant fire and is exposed to unrelenting horror month after month during the war. The reader learns how he warms up his body on freshly fallen soldiers. These chapters resemble true horror-stories.
Plivier's book Stalingrad has been regarded as the most important work of literature to emerge from the eastern front during World War II. Its pitiless descriptions of battle and the failures of the German military leadership indicts Hitler's megalomania and illustrates the senselessness of war. He died in 1955 and is today a largely forgotten author, at least in the English-speaking world.
If it’s half as good as “Brest Fortress” it would be pretty darn good.
What book is that?
I believe it was published in 1948 and was the first book to be written about this battle. Even 40 years after reading it I still get chills thinking about this book.
Ah, OK. I see it on Amazon, used, for $9. My old Company Commander had us lieutenants each read a different book for discussion after work. I drew “The Forgotten Soldier” by Guy Sajer. He was a French national who enlisted in the German Army and was sent to the Eastern Front. What he talks about in that book is just incredible. I honestly felt (and still kind of do) that he had to have been making some of it up since it just seemed impossible that ANYONE could survive what he said he survived.
I’ve been looking for a good book about Stalingrad, but the ones I’ve come across are pretty dry and not that terribly gripping.
is up on youtube (or was a couple of months ago). Very good movie.
I am confident that not everything in TFS is true, although I cannot call it a total fraud without more proof. There are war books out there that purport to be true that are complete frauds.
My uncle who died in 1982 enlisted in the Wehrmacht when he was 19 and served in Russia & Poland until 1945 when he was captured by the Soviets. He told me some of the most amazing stories about combat in Russia and believe it or not he was wounded four times. After he was released by the Russians in 1951 he became a US citizen and some of the most priceless memories of my youth were listening to him and my other uncle (who served in North Africa) argue about World War 2.
BTW If you are interested in some good picture of the Eastern front I posted quite a few in a thread about World War 2. You'll have to keep scrolling down because there are quite a few.
Here is the German movie, “Stalingrad”, which shows Stalingrad from the German perspective.
The only good thing about Enemy At the Gates was Rachel Weisz.
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