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Tanks-snow-and-movie-shooting (new Stalingrad movie being filmed in Russia)
EnglishRussia ^ | 12-29-11 | Kulchik

Posted on 01/12/2012 3:47:20 PM PST by dynachrome

Shooting the Life And Fate movie took place at a tank range Alabino. Welcome to the movie set with a lot of tanks, snow and other interesting things.

(Excerpt) Read more at englishrussia.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: battle; film; russia; stalingrad; tank; tankists; treadheads; war; ww2
Pictorial of new Stalingrad movie, with a short vid of tanks attacking. Lot's 'o pics!

(looks like some rather racy videos are below the story)

1 posted on 01/12/2012 3:47:31 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

The book “Life and Fate” was smuggled out of the Soviet Union. Parts of the book are missing. With a story like this the film writes itself.


2 posted on 01/12/2012 3:52:04 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: dynachrome
Why is it always winter in Russia?

3 posted on 01/12/2012 3:57:05 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: dynachrome

I’ll hand it to the Russkies, when it comes to war films, nobody does it better.


4 posted on 01/12/2012 4:00:20 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dynachrome

I’m impressed that they were able to find six functional T-34s. (I’m not good with the individual models...can anyone tell if they’re T-34/76s or the end-of-war T-34/85s?)


5 posted on 01/12/2012 4:07:50 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: M1903A1

One of them is a T-34/76, the rest are all T-34/85s.

Recalling scenes from the movie “Liberation” (1968) about the Battle of Kursk on YouTube, I’d say the old MosFilm kept a huge stock of T/34’s and captured German tanks.


6 posted on 01/12/2012 4:12:37 PM PST by sinanju (ua)
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To: M1903A1

“able to find six functional T-34s”

They are pack rats when it comes to hoarding old weapons. Look how many Mosin Nagants are still around!


7 posted on 01/12/2012 4:12:46 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: BitWielder1
Why is it always winter in Russia?

*Waves hand frantically*

Oooo, oooo, I know, I know.

Napoleon Bonaparte, 1812, right?

8 posted on 01/12/2012 4:16:48 PM PST by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: dynachrome

Ping


9 posted on 01/12/2012 4:22:43 PM PST by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: M1903A1

Maybe they borrowed the T-34s from North Korea?


10 posted on 01/12/2012 4:23:01 PM PST by donozark (Ron Paul! You magnificent bastard! I read your book! (cook book that is))
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To: dynachrome
Anybody who claims to know history, especially WW2, and not acknowledge the centrality of Stalingrad, has no credibility. This battle lasted from August 1942 to January 1943 and destroyed the German Army's reserve, that portion of ability that is needed to win campaigns.

Germany never had the population that could absorb the sheer manpower losses inflicted at Stalingrad while the Soviet Union did. While we in the West can bemoan the fact that it was these two tyrannies fighting for last person standing, the war and the world would have been a completely different place without this battle.

Of course this pre-supposes different people in charge of these two nations. Herr Hitler and Comrade Stalin should go down in history as idiots fully capable of snatching defeat over and over from victory.

Still it is the unsung masses who are the heroes and victims of Stalingrad and Leningrad (places which no longer bear those names) who endured hardships we can barely acknowledge let alone imagine enduring ourselves. If I were to ever meet a survivor, let alone a fighting veteran, of those campaigns, I would have no difficulty in saluting him or her.

PS: What is your favorite Bolo story?

11 posted on 01/12/2012 4:29:19 PM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existance!)
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To: SES1066

I still believe that had the Nazis taken Moscow, Stalin would have been deposed, and the Bolshies may have gone down with him, and replaced by a new regime, that would have rallied the Russians to victory.


12 posted on 01/12/2012 4:31:17 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: SES1066

“favorite Bolo story’

I like the ones with a bit of humor (Laumer’s Retief series should be a TV show!)


13 posted on 01/12/2012 4:32:37 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: SES1066

“destroyed the German Army’s reserve”

I’d throw in Kursk, also.


14 posted on 01/12/2012 4:34:02 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: SES1066
I highly recommend the book Enemy at the Gates.

Unlike the movie, which was only about Vasily Zaitsev, the book describes the whole campaign. Lots of really great individual accounts give a real sense of what both sides had to endure.

When I read about Stalingrad and Dunkirk I start to think we should have given Herman Goering a medal at Nuremberg, and then had a trial.

15 posted on 01/12/2012 4:39:20 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: dynachrome
(looks like some rather racy videos are below the story)

Yeah, love English Russia but the ads are definitely NSFW.

Anyhow, hope the movie is good. Russia's film industry is really coming along. I have access to a lot of Russian entertainment so hopefully I'll get to see it reasonably soon.

16 posted on 01/12/2012 4:41:53 PM PST by Drew68
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To: dynachrome

i am a fan of all of the BOLOS books, it would be a royal treat indeed to see a Mark XXXIII Bolo in battle!

Its unusual but possibly historically significant at least for a couple more generations that while Russia can film a movie using near period perfect tanks in Hollywood it has to be done with CGI.

Even back in when another big film came out about that very same tank battle Hollywood had to make do with mostly mocked up US tanks, and in the earlier Pearl harbor films and Tora, Tora, Tora they had to use US made planes disguised to look like Japanese fighters.


17 posted on 01/12/2012 4:48:42 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: dynachrome
I’d throw in Kursk, also.

Agreed! These were the WW2 Germany's "Lost Legions" / Publius Quinctilius Varus and the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. Expansion can and does continue but it is more momentum and the hollow military becomes the norm and the foot soldier knows it to his bones!

18 posted on 01/12/2012 4:49:11 PM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existance!)
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To: USNBandit
When I read about Stalingrad and Dunkirk I start to think we should have given Herman Goering a medal at Nuremberg ...

Yeah, but which one and from which of the Allies? The only one that I can think of from the USofA is the "Legion of Merit" and "Fat Hermann" would demand the Commander rank at a minimum.

I wonder if Reichsmarschall Goering was an inspiration for the "Peter Principal"? He certainly exemplified it.

19 posted on 01/12/2012 4:58:48 PM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existance!)
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To: dynachrome

20 posted on 01/12/2012 5:00:30 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dynachrome

Oh, come on. They should do a REALLY good tank battle - KURSK!


21 posted on 01/12/2012 5:00:49 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: M1903A1
I’m impressed that they were able to find six functional T-34s.

A lot of tanks from both sides were lost and abandoned in winter conditions. When spring came, what do you know but the ice beneath them melted and suddenly the vehicle is at the bottom of a lake, river or bog.

There are lot's of YouTube videos of tanks and other armored vehicles being recovered in eastern Europe. Many of these are subsequently restored to operating condition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYuzqSfaSRU

22 posted on 01/12/2012 5:02:03 PM PST by fso301
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To: Eye of Unk
Cool WWII tank pics. Link
23 posted on 01/12/2012 5:03:21 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: USNBandit

I loved that movie and it was amazing how it turned into not just a battle between two men, but between two nations.


24 posted on 01/12/2012 5:08:51 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: SES1066

A good ficitonal book about Kursk is the “Last Citadel” by David Robbins:

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Citadel-Novel-Battle-Kursk/dp/0553583123/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326416111&sr=1-1

“The battle for the Soviet city of Kursk in July 1943 during World War II involved two million soldiers. Code-named Citadel, it was Hitler’s frenzied—and final—attempt to defeat Russia on the eastern front and was the largest buildup of German armed power of the war. Robbins re-creates the battle in this rousing novel: its characters being Hitler; his generals and advisers; Russian, German, and Spanish foot soldiers and tank drivers; fighter pilots (both men and women); partisans; and even elderly men and women digging trenches. Robbins, author of War of the Rats (1999) and Scorched Earth (2002), has done extensive research into the weapons and planes used in the battle, bringing to life the horrors of war”


25 posted on 01/12/2012 5:09:31 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: SES1066

“This battle lasted from August 1942 to January 1943 and destroyed the German Army’s reserve, that portion of ability that is needed to win campaigns.

Germany never had the population that could absorb the sheer manpower losses inflicted at Stalingrad while the Soviet Union did. While we in the West can bemoan the fact that it was these two tyrannies fighting for last person standing, the war and the world would have been a completely different place without this battle. “

It says something that being sent to the Russian front was considered the worst possible thing that could happen ot any Nazi, bureaucrat or soldier or concentration camp butcher. I am so thankful that the Russians never played by any rules and just went ahead and killed as many as possible. If we had done the same the war would have cost a lot less.


26 posted on 01/12/2012 5:13:00 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Little Ray; dynachrome
***Oh, come on. They should do a REALLY good tank battle - KURSK!***

You already forgot about that GREAT synthesized tank battle in THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE? ;-)

27 posted on 01/12/2012 5:28:13 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I believe Kursk is still the biggest tank battle ever. (I could be wrong. Tank battles aren’t my strong point)

Good discussion here:

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66394


28 posted on 01/12/2012 5:38:28 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: USNBandit

The novel “War of the Rats” was also about Zaitsev; the final sniper duel in the novel is infinitely better than the “Enemy at the Gates” movie.


29 posted on 01/12/2012 6:03:36 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

I once was the hand receipt owner of a T54 Russian Tank including all of it’s basic equipment (Including a bottle of radiation medicine which looked a lot like aspirin.) I even was licensed to drive it.


30 posted on 01/12/2012 6:30:21 PM PST by american_ranger
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To: dynachrome
Kursk was a large tank battle in the sense of the number of tanks. Yet it was really more like a World War One battle because of the high cost to take so few kilometers. Stalingrad from the perspective of Armor doctrine was really more of a tank battle because of the classic quick deep thrusts that the Russians pulled off to encircle the Germans in the greater Stalingrad area. The photo shows Germans in Kharkov, Ukraine in 1943. Its retaking was the last major city taken by Germans in WWII. SS in Kharkov, Ukraine
31 posted on 01/12/2012 6:40:35 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, it IS the Russians filming.


32 posted on 01/12/2012 7:04:18 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: dfwgator
Hope the movie won't be a disaster like the Enemy at the Gates. The fact that the book is good doesn't guarantee anything. "The Enemy.." is case in point - the book is actually pretty decent.
33 posted on 01/12/2012 7:09:13 PM PST by Moisey88 (Deja vu all over again: Back in USSR)
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To: SES1066

Hey!

Stop now.

Bolo? Most all of them.

Love those stories


34 posted on 01/12/2012 7:21:29 PM PST by Steve Newton
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To: dynachrome
In my opinion the best book ever written about Stalingrad is still Theodor Plivier's classic which was written in 1945.

from Wikipedia

The two acting main characters in Stalingrad are the Panzer-Oberst Vilshofen and Gnotke, NCO of a Punishment Company. Both men come from different backgrounds and experience the war differently. The Colonel is a convinced soldier who obeys orders and cares for his men. He fights with a sense of duty, but loses confidence in the German military leadership as he senses that he and his men are being sacrificed to a lost cause. NCO Gnotke's work is to collect the dead, or their dismembered parts, from the battlefield. He loses his humanity as he works under constant fire and is exposed to unrelenting horror month after month during the war. The reader learns how he warms up his body on freshly fallen soldiers. These chapters resemble true horror-stories.

Plivier's book Stalingrad has been regarded as the most important work of literature to emerge from the eastern front during World War II. Its pitiless descriptions of battle and the failures of the German military leadership indicts Hitler's megalomania and illustrates the senselessness of war. He died in 1955 and is today a largely forgotten author, at least in the English-speaking world.

35 posted on 01/12/2012 7:27:57 PM PST by Larry381 ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.")
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To: Moisey88

If it’s half as good as “Brest Fortress” it would be pretty darn good.


36 posted on 01/12/2012 7:39:58 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: and so?
Napoleon Bonaparte, 1812, right?

Very Good, you get a Gold Star.



37 posted on 01/12/2012 8:03:14 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Larry381

What book is that?


38 posted on 01/13/2012 6:09:47 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Future Snake Eater
The book is titled 'Stalingrad: The Death of an Army".

Theodor Plievier

I believe it was published in 1948 and was the first book to be written about this battle. Even 40 years after reading it I still get chills thinking about this book.

39 posted on 01/13/2012 7:11:28 AM PST by Larry381 ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.")
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To: Larry381

Ah, OK. I see it on Amazon, used, for $9. My old Company Commander had us lieutenants each read a different book for discussion after work. I drew “The Forgotten Soldier” by Guy Sajer. He was a French national who enlisted in the German Army and was sent to the Eastern Front. What he talks about in that book is just incredible. I honestly felt (and still kind of do) that he had to have been making some of it up since it just seemed impossible that ANYONE could survive what he said he survived.

I’ve been looking for a good book about Stalingrad, but the ones I’ve come across are pretty dry and not that terribly gripping.


40 posted on 01/13/2012 8:00:13 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: dfwgator

“Brest Fortress”

is up on youtube (or was a couple of months ago). Very good movie.


41 posted on 01/13/2012 11:10:13 AM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Future Snake Eater

I am confident that not everything in TFS is true, although I cannot call it a total fraud without more proof. There are war books out there that purport to be true that are complete frauds.


42 posted on 01/13/2012 11:31:14 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: Future Snake Eater
Ah, OK. I see it on Amazon, used, for $9. My old Company Commander had us lieutenants each read a different book for discussion after work. I drew “The Forgotten Soldier” by Guy Sajer. He was a French national who enlisted in the German Army and was sent to the Eastern Front. What he talks about in that book is just incredible. I honestly felt (and still kind of do) that he had to have been making some of it up since it just seemed impossible that ANYONE could survive what he said he survived.

My uncle who died in 1982 enlisted in the Wehrmacht when he was 19 and served in Russia & Poland until 1945 when he was captured by the Soviets. He told me some of the most amazing stories about combat in Russia and believe it or not he was wounded four times. After he was released by the Russians in 1951 he became a US citizen and some of the most priceless memories of my youth were listening to him and my other uncle (who served in North Africa) argue about World War 2.

BTW If you are interested in some good picture of the Eastern front I posted quite a few in a thread about World War 2. You'll have to keep scrolling down because there are quite a few.

Eastern Front

43 posted on 01/13/2012 9:59:20 PM PST by Larry381 ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.")
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To: dynachrome

Here is the German movie, “Stalingrad”, which shows Stalingrad from the German perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilB2ukvXXfc&feature=related


44 posted on 01/13/2012 10:04:08 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Strategerist

The only good thing about Enemy At the Gates was Rachel Weisz.


45 posted on 01/13/2012 10:09:16 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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