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Dug out of the Thames mud, a token Romans used to pay for their pleasure
Daily Mail ^ | Tuesday, January 3rd, 2012 | Eleanor Harding

Posted on 01/16/2012 7:09:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Made from bronze and smaller than a ten pence piece, the coin depicts a man and a woman engaged in an intimate act.

Historians believe it is the first example of a Roman brothel token to be found in this country.

It lay hidden in mud for almost 2,000 years until it was unearthed by an amateur archaeologist with a metal detector.

On the reverse of the token is the numeral XIIII, which experts say could indicate the holder handed over 14 small Roman coins called asses to buy it.

This would have been the equivalent of seven loaves of bread or one day's pay for a labourer in the first century AD.

The holder would then have taken the token to one of the many Londinium brothels and handed it to a sex slave in exchange for the act depicted on the coin...

Experts say there is a possibility it could also be a gaming token -- although it would be the only one in Britain to display such an explicit illustration.

Historians believe that the use of a specific image was necessary because many of the brothel slaves would not have been fluent in Latin so needed a picture to know what service their client required.

It is also thought that tokens were a way of ensuring none of the customers' money went directly to the prostitutes.

Experts say it was also illegal to take Roman coins into a brothel during the reign of first century emperor Tiberius as they carried his image.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: biggusdikkus; brothel; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; metaldetecting; naughtiusmaximus; roman; romanempire; romaneseuntdomus; thames; token; unitedkingdom
Find: The brothel token, right, which is slightly smaller than a pound coin. It goes on display at the Museum of London

Find: The brothel token, right, which is slightly smaller than a pound coin. It goes on display at the Museum of London
Amateur archeologist: Regis Cursan, 37, discovered the brothel token near Putney Bridge, West London, at low tide

Amateur archeologist: Regis Cursan, 37, discovered the brothel token near Putney Bridge, West London, at low tide

1 posted on 01/16/2012 7:09:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's not heavy, it's for brothels.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 01/16/2012 7:14:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Historians believe that the use of a specific image was necessary because many of the brothel slaves would not have been fluent in Latin so needed a picture to know what service their client required.

Yeah, right, whatever. What kind of sex slave wouldn't have the gift of tongues???

3 posted on 01/16/2012 7:16:11 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: SunkenCiv

An eye for an eye, an a$$ for....


4 posted on 01/16/2012 7:17:13 PM PST by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: SunkenCiv
And here I thought it was for paying taxes...

Nevermind, the participants are facing each other.

5 posted on 01/16/2012 7:24:47 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: bigheadfred
What kind of sex slave wouldn't have the gift of tongues???

Gift? No freebies! Come back when you have the right coin.

6 posted on 01/16/2012 7:35:12 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
This would have been the equivalent of seven loaves of bread or one day's pay for a labourer in the first century AD.

Or, $500 in this economy today.

7 posted on 01/16/2012 7:39:44 PM PST by onehipdad (Who is John Galt?)
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To: SunkenCiv

How appropriate to use a coin called “ass” to pay for some.

Gee, I didn’t know that Berlusconi was that old!


8 posted on 01/16/2012 7:42:21 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SunkenCiv

The second oldest profession? With it’s own coin? Wow.


9 posted on 01/16/2012 7:43:07 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: onehipdad

would buying the coin with asses,,then trading it for sex,,be the first use of,,,,”buying a piece of ass?”


10 posted on 01/16/2012 7:44:28 PM PST by Craftmore
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To: bigheadfred

Post of the week...


11 posted on 01/16/2012 7:44:45 PM PST by null and void (Day 1091 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: bigheadfred

“the gift of tongues”

Nope, that was BC (before Bill Clinton).


12 posted on 01/16/2012 7:47:36 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: SunkenCiv

a Yankees fan


13 posted on 01/16/2012 8:27:13 PM PST by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: SunkenCiv

Gee, I am surprised that the Romans had brothels in Britain since the entire country was then little more than a brothe1.


14 posted on 01/16/2012 8:34:03 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Romney ruined Massachusetts. Now he wants to ruin the nation.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Must be why they’re called pieces of ass.


15 posted on 01/16/2012 8:57:34 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: beethovenfan

The prostitutes were all slaves, and drawn from ethnic minorities — that must be why these objects came to be called tokens. ;’)


16 posted on 01/16/2012 9:13:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Veni, Vidi, Itchy


17 posted on 01/16/2012 9:27:05 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Roman hands in London? ? Who knew?)
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To: SunkenCiv

It`s a Bronze 3rd Place Medal of the Roman Epicurean Olympic Games held in London A.D. 100.


18 posted on 01/16/2012 9:34:56 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Roman hands in London? ? Who knew?)
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To: Texas Fossil
Clinton Quarter, Clinton Quarter
19 posted on 01/16/2012 9:38:47 PM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: preacher

LMAO


20 posted on 01/16/2012 9:49:05 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: preacher
But, I don't see the infamous blue dress. hee hee hee

Awful memories. I traveled in AR for many years when he was Gov and later Pres. What a national embarrassment.

21 posted on 01/16/2012 9:51:42 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: preacher

The later years I learned a great deal about things around Mena and Nella.

About Seth Ward. About the McDougals. About a lot of really vial players. And several spooks, Barry Seal, Felix Rodriguez and others.


22 posted on 01/16/2012 9:54:36 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: SunkenCiv

The coin is clearly a counterfeit. 14 is XIV, not X1111 :>)slaves would not have been fluent in Latin”


23 posted on 01/16/2012 11:14:30 PM PST by Tuketu (Socialize the Legal System. Then we are all equal before the law.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The coin is clearly a counterfeit. 14 is XIV, not X1111 :>)slaves would not have been fluent in Latin”


24 posted on 01/16/2012 11:14:44 PM PST by Tuketu (Socialize the Legal System. Then we are all equal before the law.)
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To: SunkenCiv
'...act depicted in coin'

Wow... does it mean there are a set of coins each with a distinct sexual act? Why didn't they find the other? It's like those card games...

25 posted on 01/17/2012 12:49:28 AM PST by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car - he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: Tuketu

The coin is clearly a counterfeit. 14 is XIV, not X1111 :>)slaves would not have been fluent in Latin”

You have no idea what the X1111 means. You just assume it was supposed to mean 14, when it might have some other meaning entirely. Read the last comment in the original article where the woman from London says she believes it could be a theatre token, with the X1111 being the theatre aisle where the patron’s seat was located. As good a possibility as any. Also, you don’t think that after many months of cleaning the coin and checking it out, they wouldn’t know if it was a counterfeit or not? This coin is real, or they wouldn’t be putting it on display at the museum.


26 posted on 01/17/2012 12:54:59 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Or there's this circulating coin from Thasos in Greece in the 5th century BC.


27 posted on 01/17/2012 1:13:27 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: SunkenCiv
More examples here.

Adults only. It's not a site for those in the workplace.

28 posted on 01/17/2012 1:20:10 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Tuketu; flaglady47
Romans frequently used both XIV and XIIII for 14 as on this coin,

struck for the 14th Legion.

29 posted on 01/17/2012 1:28:16 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: paudio
Wow... does it mean there are a set of coins each with a distinct sexual act?

Yes. See the link in post #28.

30 posted on 01/17/2012 1:30:01 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Tuketu

There is a new thread now saying the Romans used both XIV and XIIII interchangeably on their coins, for the 14th Roman Legion.


31 posted on 01/17/2012 1:38:04 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
This thread has been very educational for me. And I thought Playboy "invented" ponr...
32 posted on 01/17/2012 2:37:44 AM PST by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car - he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: bunkerhill7

One night with Venus, a lifetime with Mercury.


33 posted on 01/17/2012 5:02:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; Tuketu; flaglady47

Thanks!


34 posted on 01/17/2012 5:03:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: paudio

Speaking that, I found out that Powerball has gone up to two bucks a week, minimum jackpot to $40 million, and I’m not sure, but I don’t think they take multidraw wagers any longer.


35 posted on 01/17/2012 5:11:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Pretty cool that I worked 'ball' into that post.)
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To: bigheadfred; Quickgun; Smokin' Joe; KarlInOhio; onehipdad; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; ...

I’m not going to make a crude joke about why the modern UK coin has just the head of the queen on it. Dang, I did it anyway. Too bad I’ve already clicked “Post”.


36 posted on 01/17/2012 5:14:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

You can always ask Prudence to remove it.....

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37 posted on 01/17/2012 5:39:20 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: bigheadfred

Yes...they’d need to be cunning linguists....

(Boy I’m late with that one....)


38 posted on 01/17/2012 5:41:55 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia
Yes...they’d need to be cunning linguists....

(Boy I’m late with that one....)

Come again? (That's how late it was)

39 posted on 01/17/2012 6:51:44 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Texas Fossil
Awful memories. I traveled in AR for many years when he was Gov and later Pres. What a national embarrassment.

That was YOU????

OMG! YOU are 3 pages in my diary...and my flag is still flying half mast...

40 posted on 01/17/2012 6:56:45 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe a British tourist brought a modern exact replica of one of the coins found at Pompeii. Or maybe a British student of archaeology pilfered one of the Pompeii coins. Take a look at them:

http://www.collectionstudio.com/it/blog/coins_or_tokens_for_brothels/

http://www.google.com.pe/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_U_cqtWiB8eE/TQePbZfrRYI/AAAAAAAACBc/_Hrsx1beteg/s1600/Ritemail_Blogspot_Com_013.jpg&imgrefurl=http://pics4u-saini.blogspot.com/2010/12/ancient-roman-coins-spintrii.html&h=473&w=650&sz=75&tbnid=Jeqvx3lEO6jJwM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpompei%2Bcoins%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=pompei+coins&docid=n4I8Xyf-wMxF7M&hl=es-419&sa=X&ei=ty8WT4a3FYvhggexiIXZAw&ved=0CCUQ9QEwAg&dur=22429

http://www.google.com.pe/imgres?q=pompei+coins&hl=es-419&client=firefox-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1366&bih=575&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=G5SngcYBynuxbM:&imgrefurl=http://www.collectionstudio.com/it/blog/coins_or_tokens_for_brothels/&docid=L3wWsrvDhQUGCM&imgurl=http://www.collectionstudio.com/images/blog/tokens/Roman_Empire/Spintriae_from_Pompeii.jpg&w=286&h=400&ei=3zEWT7DAMMv4gge4mJmFBA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=785&vpy=196&dur=10417&hovh=266&hovw=190&tx=48&ty=118&sig=101243478530302539854&page=1&tbnh=115&tbnw=82&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0


41 posted on 01/17/2012 7:04:24 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

Gives a whole new perspective on “Heads or Tails?”


42 posted on 01/17/2012 7:51:11 PM PST by marsh2
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To: paudio

The Victorians “cleaned up” history for us.

The Old Testament description of cities of perversions is true.


43 posted on 01/17/2012 8:52:49 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: bigheadfred

I’m not always lickety split with responses.


44 posted on 01/18/2012 9:26:13 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/8991212/Roman-brothel-token-discovered-in-Thames.html


45 posted on 01/27/2012 6:41:52 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Thanks george76!


46 posted on 01/27/2012 7:05:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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