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Pistol-Packing By the Millions (Book review of "Glock: The Rise of America's Gun")
Wall Street Journal ^ | January 17, 2012 | Daniel Horan

Posted on 01/17/2012 7:38:30 AM PST by C19fan

In 1980, Gaston Glock was the manager of a car-radiator factory just outside Vienna. At home, he ran a side business in his garage, making knives and bayonets for the Austrian army. He lived in a comfortable though not overly prosperous way, all but unknown beyond his corner of Austria. He knew next to nothing about firearms. Less than 20 years later, he was the world's leading manufacturer of handguns, and the business born in his garage had annual revenues of more than $100 million.

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TOPICS: Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; glock; guns

1 posted on 01/17/2012 7:38:34 AM PST by C19fan
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To: Eaker; humblegunner

glock ping


2 posted on 01/17/2012 7:45:13 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: C19fan

Everyone has their bias - while I admire the Glock’s design, functionality - my bias is that I insist on having not only a visible hammer, but a safety as well. I would rather have to spend the time removing the safety and pulling the hammer back - than risk a mis-fire.

They may be my last acts on earth; but I won’t ever run the risk of mis-firing a weapon. I just don’t trust the Glock. Yes, it’s probably an unjustified bias; it’s probably ridiculous to a Glock owner; but there it is.


3 posted on 01/17/2012 7:49:13 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar
I love my Glock.. I will say I would not recommend one to a new gun owner, for the issues you mentioned.

For an experienced gun owner, it is great firearm.

Keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you want it to go BANG.

4 posted on 01/17/2012 7:53:35 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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pOw!


5 posted on 01/17/2012 7:57:02 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> - - -)
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To: DYngbld

What would you recommend ?


6 posted on 01/17/2012 7:57:21 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: C19fan

I love the Glock 19. Its a hoot at the range and I was really hot to get one but over time I have come to value the manual safety on my Ruger P85 as well as the decocker. Now I’m looking at a small weapon for CCW and I discovered the Bersa .308 with safety and decocker. Still in all the Glock is a great weapon. The cops in our county carry them.


7 posted on 01/17/2012 8:01:11 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DYngbld

I’ve got four of them (17, 19, 21, 26)...I agree...however, even with the admonition about ‘booger hook’ there are other peculiarities worth mentioning : limp wristed stovepiping, KBs, and warranty voided reloads...

That said...I just love the hell out of the 33 round mags...got quite a few of them.


8 posted on 01/17/2012 8:01:41 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Hodar
my bias is that I insist on having not only a visible hammer, but a safety as well.

Vive la difference.

I learned handgunning with a .357 Mag revolver, a Colt Trooper Mk III.

Yes, it has an visible hammer. Who cares? I was taught never to manually cock the thing. It's fired by squeeeeeeeeezing the trigger. (Big long squeeze). Safety? What's a safety?

I don't carry a Glock, but they don't bother me at all.

9 posted on 01/17/2012 8:01:59 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: C19fan
The older I get the less I like glocks. Guns should be made of metal with the only plastic parts being grips or accessories. The decreased weight does make them “easier” to carry but that same weight reduction decreases shootability. Plus it's not “America's” gun it's “Austria's” gun. There are plenty of firearms made in America by American owned companies. How about one of those be called “America's hand gun”
10 posted on 01/17/2012 8:03:28 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Hodar
risk of mis-firing a weapon

Mis-fire is a ambiguous term. Do you fear negligently putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it prior to really wanting to do so?

11 posted on 01/17/2012 8:04:22 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: C19fan
I originally found them to be ugly and "fake" because the weren't traditional wood and metal only firearms. My first experience with on was during a training course. The instructor had a 17L. I fired 5 shots to get a feel for it. After that, I couldn't miss the ten ring, even at longer distances at the indoor range.

I have a 20 and 21. Neither are the SF, as I actually prefer the "chunkier" model. Feels more stable in my hands. Maybe I'm just more used to it compared to the newer model.

I love my full sized and compact 1911s. IMO, nothing's prettier (pistol wise) than a nice, deep-blued finish with walnut grips. However, my "ugly" Glocks have performed well and have been just as reliable as any other handgun I've owned.

12 posted on 01/17/2012 8:09:39 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I found the Glock 22 to be a little more versatile since picking up Wolf .357 Sig and 9mm conversion barrels. The 9mm shoots the cheapo Russain ammo just fine. Although the .40 is excellent, the .357 Sig is a genuine badass round.


13 posted on 01/17/2012 8:10:30 AM PST by libertyhoundusnr
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To: Hodar; DYngbld

I agree. The Glock’s I have shot are nice, however when it came time to recommend a 9mm for a first timer, I looked elsewhere. After shooting many, the first timer chose the FNP-9 (http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/m/FNM0127mb.png). It has hammer, safety, decocking etc, came with 3 magazines, and they liked how it fit their hand and that they could shoot it accurately. At the end of the day it is always about the person and less about the gun.


14 posted on 01/17/2012 8:10:53 AM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: DYngbld

Agreed, if you are a new shooter you do not need a glock to start off with unless you intend to puts lots of range time in.

With glocks you have to practice one of the basic rules of shooting, finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

I have a 17, 19, 23 and 27. I enjoy shooting them but my go to gun when there is a bump in the night is a S&W model 19 .357 magnum.


15 posted on 01/17/2012 8:16:45 AM PST by sarge83
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To: C19fan
I'm already four chapters into the book, thanks to Kindle. Plenty of interesting background stories, but I don't know how many can be considered "gospel".

I own three Glocks, and if my only weapon had to be a handgun, I'd pick my Glock 21.

What did they blame negligent discharges on before Glock came along? I know they existed, and they still happen today with other weapons, too.

My opinion is that the Glock design is less tolerant of morons. Is that such a bad thing?

16 posted on 01/17/2012 8:21:19 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: woodbutcher1963
What would you recommend ?

For a Glock I carry a 19, the wife has a 26. 9mm rounds are easy to find and not to costly to keep proficient. The limp wristed stove piping was an issue while teaching the children, but was easily fixed with some coaching.

For anyone, what ever you are comfortable with. If you are not comfortable with it you will not practice, with it to stay proficient, defeating the purpose you got it for in the first place. Find a gun dealer and find one you like. What I like and you like are probably different.

17 posted on 01/17/2012 8:25:52 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: thackney
Do you fear negligently putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it prior to really wanting to do so?

I fear my finger, a piece of string, a branch, a drop, a careless moment of someone looking at the gun, pulling it out of a holster and catching the trigger on anything with greater than a 5oz pull. I fear the discharge. I'd rather be safe, than run the risk. My Barretta knock-off (Taurus PT-9) has a safety that has to be disengaged, and a hammer that needs to be cocked prior to pulling the trigger.

Ever see the YouTube of the police officer shooting himself in the foot during his "Quickdraw McGraw" immitation? Cannot happen if you have the safety, and actually use it. When I draw my weapon from the holster, my hand grasps the handle, my thumb first disengages the safety, then is on the hammer; I draw, release the safety, pull the hammer back with my thumb, focus on my target, and squeeze. I may not win any championships - but that has never been my concern.

My concern is pretty basic. Quickly and accurately put every shot into the "kill zone", and never run the risk of putting around off before I'm ready for the consequences.

18 posted on 01/17/2012 8:36:44 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: C19fan

I have owned numerous Glocks in the past but currently do not own one. The grip angle is too steep for my shooting style. The 1911 and Beretta 92 are my guns of choice.


19 posted on 01/17/2012 8:38:30 AM PST by BobinIL
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To: 300winmag
My opinion is that the Glock design is less tolerant of morons. Is that such a bad thing?

I guess that depends upon your 'target' audience. In a combat situation; I think the Glock would be pretty close to ideal. A firefight where you cannot return fire, because you sacrificed your life fighting the safety - is a strong proponent for the Glock. Put your finger on the trigger and feed the bad-guys lead. Simple, reliable, fast, durable and as I said earlier, pretty much ideal.

But, for home defense where the ownwer may only shoot the thing a couple times a year (if that); your audience may not feel comfortable with the 'readiness' the Glock was designed to embrace. Different audience. As another Freeper mentioned "At the end of the day, it's more about the shooter, than it is about the gun".

20 posted on 01/17/2012 8:42:03 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

I have a G26 and a G17. Thousands and thousands of jam free rounds.


21 posted on 01/17/2012 8:43:56 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: BobinIL
The 1911 and Beretta 92 are my guns of choice

I have the Taurus knock-off of your 92 (the PT-92). Did they ever do anything to 'fix' the sights? I'm in the process of ordering some lume paint to try to make the front and rear sights more visible (albeit unadjustable).

22 posted on 01/17/2012 8:44:07 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: GlockThe Vote
I have a G26 and a G17. Thousands and thousands of jam free rounds.

Please don't misunderstand. I admire the Glock; it's perhaps the best, most fault-tolerant weapon in the world. It's excelled and passed every drop test, every shock test, and every other test I have heard of. I've never heard of a jam (although, I think we will both admit that somewhere, at some time, someone has had one). As a weapon, it excells at what it does. No arguement. I'm sure it outperforms any pistol I've ever owned. It's a quality handgun.

I just distrust a "built-in" safty, and the ability not to see and de-cock the hammer. This is a personal bias. If people want to call me a "first-timer"; I can live with that. Every pistol I have ever owned, have had visible hammers. I guess it's simply my 'religion' of choice.

23 posted on 01/17/2012 8:53:44 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: DYngbld

I love my Glock.. I will say I would not recommend one to a new gun owner, for the issues you mentioned.

For an experienced gun owner, it is great firearm.
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experienced??

nonsense.

The glock was invented and designed expressly for the least experienced of all gun owners. Only a revolver is simpler.


24 posted on 01/17/2012 8:55:48 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Hodar

Agreed - its not for everyone, especially since the trigger does not have to come back all the way to fire off a second or third round.


25 posted on 01/17/2012 8:57:35 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: DYngbld

I love my 26. i’m a better shot with the 26 than I am with the 17.


26 posted on 01/17/2012 8:58:49 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Hodar
I've got a ported Glock 17 that I use at the range. It's a fine firearm, but for carry purposes, I prefer my Para LDA. The pistols are about the same size, but the Para has both a backstrap safety and a thumb safety plus a double action only long-pull trigger. The trigger pull weight and release is similar to the Glock but the chance of snagging the trigger with or on anything is just about nil.



27 posted on 01/17/2012 8:59:18 AM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Hodar
I fear my finger, a piece of string, a branch, a drop, a careless moment of someone looking at the gun, pulling it out of a holster and catching the trigger on anything with greater than a 5oz pull.

Nearly all of those are protected by the Glock's safeties. But if you worry about putting your finger on the trigger before you are ready to fire, I doubt the external safety provides enough restraint.

TRIGGER SAFETY
As the first of the three GLOCK “Safe Action” safety features, the trigger safety prevents inadvertent firing by lateral forces on the trigger. Releasing the trigger will automatically reactivate the safety.

FIRING PIN SAFETY
The GLOCK firing pin safety is a solid hardened steel pin which, in the secured state, blocks the firing pin channel, rendering the igniting of a chambered cartridge by the firing pin impossible. The firing pin safety is only pushed upward to release the firing pin for firing when the trigger is pulled and the safety is pushed up through the backward movement of the trigger bar. Releasing the trigger will automatically reactivate the firing pin safety.

DROP SAFETY
In the line of duty it may happen that a loaded pistol is dropped on the floor. Contrary to conventional pistols, the GLOCK drop safety prevents unintentional firing of a shot through hard impact. When the trigger is pulled, the trigger bar is guided in a precision safety ramp. The trigger bar is deflected from this ramp only in the moment the shot is triggered.

Ever see the YouTube of the police officer shooting himself in the foot during his "Quickdraw McGraw" immitation? Cannot happen if you have the safety

I just don't understand the logic in the belief that a negligent operator cannot be trusted to use the trigger at the correct times, but will use the external safety at the correct times.

28 posted on 01/17/2012 9:04:13 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: woodbutcher1963

A revolver.

Great starter handgun.


29 posted on 01/17/2012 9:15:20 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: GlockThe Vote
especially since the trigger does not have to come back

This is a feature not a bug. It is called trigger reset and is a good thing for rapid follow-up shots.

Practice, practice, practice but only practice the right thing. Gun safety is a state of mind. Guns do not go off by themselves. Somebody had to put some inappropriate pressure of sufficient force on the trigger to make the gun go bang.

It is not the guns fault.

30 posted on 01/17/2012 9:15:53 AM PST by onceone
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To: C19fan

I prefer stainless steel and walnut over plastics, and large calibers.


31 posted on 01/17/2012 9:21:25 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: C19fan
I love my Glocks, G22 and G23, and shoot them well. I CCW my G23 daily. Glocks are safe as long as you keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. Nothing is faster to bring into action in a SHTF situation, only a revolver matches it. You may think your “cocked and locked” firearm is but really, how many hours have you spent drawing, manipulating the safety, and firing have you spent? Are you sure you will remember the drill with adrenaline coursing through your veins and your mind screaming “RUN!!”? I know if I draw and pull the trigger my Glock is going to go bang.
32 posted on 01/17/2012 9:39:11 AM PST by MtBaldy
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To: MtBaldy
Are you sure you will remember the drill with adrenaline coursing through your veins and your mind screaming “RUN!!”? I know if I draw and pull the trigger my Glock is going to go bang.

Are you sure you will remember to keep your finger off the trigger as you draw your Glock with "adrenaline coursing through your veins and your mind screaming “RUN!!”?

I know I will not accidentally shoot myself or anyone else when I draw my LDA with a safety. I also know that a lawsuit claiming that I was using a gun with a "hair trigger" without considering safety will have no merit.

The Glock safety does not guard against accidental touching of the trigger, either by the operator, the perpetrator or a foreign object. You can't stop a stupid operator from making a mistake, but you can avoid many accidental discharges.

If you carry a Glock, more power to you, but I prefer either a revolver with a long, heavy, DA pull or a pistol with a thumb and backstrap safety in addition to DA. The reason I prefer them is exactly what you cited. In an actual emergency, the adrenaline rush makes accidental discharges more likely.

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33 posted on 01/17/2012 9:57:54 AM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Hodar
I fear my finger, a piece of string, a branch, a drop, a careless moment of someone looking at the gun, pulling it out of a holster and catching the trigger on anything with greater than a 5oz pull. I fear the discharge.

Don't keep a round in the pipe. There, solved all of these potential problems.

34 posted on 01/17/2012 10:22:50 AM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Hodar

Also, don’t have the Glock converted from a 5lb trigger pull to 5oz.


35 posted on 01/17/2012 10:25:09 AM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: thackney

Forgot to ping you and thank you for the ping!


36 posted on 01/17/2012 10:31:27 AM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Poser
I know I will not accidentally shoot myself or anyone else when I draw my LDA with a safety.

Only if you have properly remembered to use the safety prior to placing in holster.

If you properly remember when to use the trigger, this won't be a problem with the Glock either.

The only real safety is located between the ears of the user. If that safety is not engaged, multiple external safeties are iffy at best.

37 posted on 01/17/2012 11:00:20 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DYngbld

Same as a revolver.


38 posted on 01/17/2012 11:19:03 AM PST by mcshot (Voter fraud will be the doom of the Republic as desired by the Lib Dems.)
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To: edpc

I’m a 1911 fan as well but use my Glocks as no worries about bluing wear.


39 posted on 01/17/2012 11:23:06 AM PST by mcshot (Voter fraud will be the doom of the Republic as desired by the Lib Dems.)
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To: thackney

Great post!


40 posted on 01/17/2012 11:27:46 AM PST by mcshot (Voter fraud will be the doom of the Republic as desired by the Lib Dems.)
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To: mcshot

Thank you.

Some non-Glock shooters are not aware of the Glock Safe Action features.


41 posted on 01/17/2012 11:38:37 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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42 posted on 01/17/2012 12:31:37 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Hodar

“I just distrust a “built-in” safty, and the ability not to see and de-cock the hammer.”

The glock striker becomes fully cocked as you pull the trigger. When the trigger is released the striker returns to its uncocked state.


43 posted on 01/17/2012 3:12:16 PM PST by Hacklehead (Winchester 52, because everyone needs a 22 rimfire that weighs 12 pounds.)
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