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How India brought down the US’ supersonic man
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Posted on 01/19/2012 4:23:21 AM PST by MBT ARJUN

The 1971 India-Pakistan war didn’t turn out very well from the US’ point of view. For one particular American it went particularly bad. Chuck Yeager, the legendary test pilot and the first man to break the sound barrier, was dispatched by the US government to train Pakistani air force pilots but ended up as target practice for the Indian Air Force, and in the process kicked up a diplomatic storm in a war situation.

Yeager’s presence in Pakistan was one of the surprises of the Cold War. In an article titled, “The Right Stuff in the Wrong Place,” by Edward C. Ingraham, a former US diplomat in Pakistan, recalls how Yeager was called to Islamabad in 1971 to head the Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) – a rather fanciful name for a bunch of thugs teaching other thugs how to fight.

It wasn’t a terribly exciting job: “All that the chief of the advisory group had to do was to teach Pakistanis how to use American military equipment without killing themselves in the process,” writes Ingraham.

Among the perks Yeager enjoyed was a twin-engine Beechcraft, an airplane supplied by the Pentagon. It was his pride and joy and he often used the aircraft for transporting the US ambassador on fishing expeditions in Pakistan’s northwest mountains.

Yeager: Loyal Pakistani!

Yeager may have been a celebrated American icon, but here’s what Ingraham says about his nonchalant attitude. “We at the embassy were increasingly preoccupied with the deepening crisis (the Pakistan Army murdered more than 3,000,000 civilians in then East Pakistan, now Bangladesh). Meetings became more frequent and more tense. We were troubled by the complex questions that the conflict raised. No such doubts seemed to cross the mind of Chuck Yeager. I remember one occasion on which the ambassador asked Yeager for his assessment of how long the Pakistani forces in the East could withstand an all-out attack by India. “We could hold them off for maybe a month,” he replied, “but beyond that we wouldn’t have a chance without help from outside.” It took the rest of us a moment to fathom what he was saying, not realising at first that “we” was West Pakistan, not the United States.”

Clearly, Yeager appeared blithely indifferent to the Pakistani killing machine which was mowing down around 10,000 Bengalis daily from 1970 to 1971.

After the meeting, Ingraham requested Yeager to be be a little more even-handed in his comments. Yeager gave him a withering glance. “Goddamn it, we’re assigned to Pakistan,” he said. “What’s wrong with being loyal?!”

“The dictator of Pakistan at the time, the one who had ordered the crackdown in the East, was a dim-witted general named Yahya Khan. Way over his head in events he couldn’t begin to understand, Yahya took increasingly to brooding and drinking,” writes Ingraham.

“In December of 1971, with Indian supplied guerrillas applying more pressure on his beleaguered forces, Yahya decided on a last, hopeless gesture of defiance. He ordered what was left of his armed forces to attack India directly from the West. His air force roared across the border on the afternoon of December 3 to bomb Indian air bases, while his army crashed into India’s defences on the Western frontier.”

Getting Personal

Yeager’s hatred for Indians was unconcealed. According to Ingraham, he spent the first hours of the war stalking the Indian embassy in Islamabad, spouting curses at Indians and assuring anyone who would listen that the Pakistani army would be in New Delhi within a week. It was the morning after the first Pakistani airstrike that Yeager began to take the war with India personally.

On the eve of their attack, the Pakistanis, realising the inevitability of a massive Indian retaliation, evacuated their planes from airfields close to the Indian border and moved them to airfields near the Iranian border.

Strangely, no one thought to warn General Yeager.

Taking aim at Yeager

The thread of this story now passes on to Admiral Arun Prakash. An aircraft carrier pilot in 1971, he was an Indian Navy lieutenant on deputation with the Indian Air Force when the war broke out.

In an article he wrote for Vayu Aerospace Review in 2007, Prakash presents a vivid account of his unexpected encounter with Yeager. As briefings for the first wave of retaliatory strikes on Pakistan were being conducted, Prakash had drawn a two-aircraft mission against the PAF base of Chaklala, located south east of Islamabad.

Flying in low under the radar, they climbed to 2000 feet as they neared the target. As Chaklala airfield came into view they scanned the runways for Pakistani fighters but were disappointed to see only two small planes. Dodging antiaircraft fire, Prakash blasted both to smithereens with 30mm cannon fire. One was Yeager’s Beechcraft and the other was a Twin Otter used by Canadian UN forces.

Fishing in troubled waters

When Yeager discovered his plane was smashed, he rushed to the US embassy in Islamabad and started yelling like a deranged maniac. His voice resounding through the embassy, he said the Indian pilot not only knew exactly what he was doing but had been specifically instructed by the Indian prime minister to blast Yeager’s plane. In his autobiography, he later said that it was the “Indian way of giving Uncle Sam the finger”.

Yeager pressured the US embassy in Pakistan into sending a top priority cable to Washington that described the incident as a “deliberate affront to the American nation and recommended immediate countermeasures”. Basically, a desperate and distracted Yeager was calling for the American bombing of India, something that President Richard Nixon and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger were already mulling.

But, says Ingraham: “I don’t think we ever got an answer.” With the Russians on India’s side in the conflict, the American defence establishment had its hands full. Nobody had time for Yeager’s antics.

However, Ingraham says there are clues Yeager played an active role in the war. A Pakistani businessman, son of a senior general, told him “excitedly that Yeager had moved into the air force base at Peshawar and was personally directing the grateful Pakistanis in deploying their fighter squadrons against the Indians. Another swore he had seen Yeager emerge from a just-landed jet fighter at the Peshawar base.

Later, in his autobiography, Yeager, the subject of Tom Wolfe’s much-acclaimed book “The Right Stuff” and a Hollywood movie, wrote a lot of nasty things about Indians, including downright lies about the IAF’s performance. Among the things he wrote was the air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis “kicked the Indians’ ass”, scoring a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing 34 airplanes of their own.

Beyond the fog of war

The reality is that it took the IAF just over a week to achieve complete domination of the subcontinent’s skies. A measure of the IAF’s air supremacy was the million-man open air rallies held by the Indian prime minister in northern Indian cities, a week into the war. This couldn’t have been possible if Pakistani planes were still airborne.

Sure, the IAF did lose a slightly larger number of aircraft but this was mainly because the Indians were flying a broad range of missions. Take the six Sukhoi-7 squadrons that were inducted into the IAF just a few months before the war. From the morning of December 4 until the ceasefire on December 17, these hardy fighters were responsible for the bulk of attacks by day, flying nearly 1500 offensive sorties.

Pakistani propaganda, backed up by Yeager, had claimed 34 Sukhoi-7s destroyed, but in fact just 14 were lost. Perhaps the best rebuttal to Yeager’s lies is military historian Pushpindar Singh Chopra’s “A Whale of a Fighter”. He says the plane’s losses were commensurate with the scale of effort, if not below it. “The Sukhoi-7 was said to have spawned a special breed of pilot, combat-hardened and confident of both his and his aircraft’s prowess,” says Chopra.

Sorties were being launched at an unprecedented rate of six per pilot per day. Yeager himself admits “India flew numerous raids against Pakistani airfields with brand new Sukhoi-7 bombers being escorted in with MiG-21s”.

While Pakistani pilots were obsessed with aerial combat, IAF tactics were highly sophisticated in nature, involving bomber escorts, tactical recce, ground attack and dummy runs to divert Pakistani interceptors from the main targets. Plus, the IAF had to reckon with the dozens of brand new aircraft being supplied to Pakistan by Muslim countries like Jordan, Turkey and the UAE.

Most missions flown by Indian pilots were conducted by day and at low level, with the pilots making repeated attacks on well defended targets. Indian aircraft flew into Pakistani skies thick with flak, virtually non-stop during the 14-day war. Many Bengali guerrillas later told the victorious Indian Army that it was the epic sight of battles fought over their skies by Indian air aces and the sight of Indian aircraft diving in on Pakistani positions that inspired them to fight.

Indeed, Indian historians like Chopra have painstakingly chronicled the details of virtually every sortie undertaken by the IAF and PAF and have tabulated the losses and kills on both sides to nail the outrageous lies that were peddled by the PAF and later gleefully published by Western writers.

In this backdrop, the Pakistani claim (backed by Yeager) that they won the air war is as hollow as a Chaklala swamp reed. In the Battle of Britain during World War II, the Germans lost 2000 fewer aircraft than the allies and yet the Luftwaffe lost that air war. Similarly, the IAF lost more aircraft than the PAF, but the IAF came out on top. Not even Yeager’s biased testimony can take that away from Indians.


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KEYWORDS: india; pakistan; russia; us
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To: Zhang Fei

Hahahaha
you even know where is Goa in map of India mate ?
bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Goa.html


61 posted on 01/19/2012 9:11:05 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
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To: Zhang Fei
” A simple boycott by the Goanese would have ended Portuguese sovereignty.”

A simple boycott huh? You make it sound so simple. 300 years of Portuguese colonization (or for that matter European colonization of Asia and Africa) can end with one simple boycott! Who woulda thought!

I asked you a very simple question which you very wisely evaded to pile on more BS. Let me ask again...

“Do you see Goans fighting for independence like Tibetans? Do you see them revolting, rioting, protesting and agitating against the Indian government like in China.”

Also tell me why did the Portuguese government fired on unarmed civilians?

By the way here is a little tibit.... Dadra and Nagar Haveli (also under Portuguese rule) free themselves without Indian help. And after Goan liberation there was a referendum held where Goans overwhelmingly voted for a federally administered territory.

62 posted on 01/19/2012 10:28:08 AM PST by ravager
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To: Zhang Fei
“sent, paid and armed regular servicemen in the guise of guerillas. “

Dude, give it a rest. You have blown the lid off the BS meter. There were no “armed guerrillas” in Goa. The “protesters”, “freedom fighters”, “rebels”, “Indian agents” whatever you may call them. They were not armed. The armed Portuguese government fired and killed unarmed civilians.

63 posted on 01/19/2012 10:35:01 AM PST by ravager
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To: Zhang Fei; James C. Bennett; MBT ARJUN
Btw Goa under Portuguese occupation was an Axis tool. The Portuguese were transmitting information on Allied ship movements to German U-boats hiding in Goa.

The Calcutta Light Horse of the British Indian army was dispatched to destroy the Germans ship harbored in Goa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcutta_Light_Horse

64 posted on 01/19/2012 10:45:28 AM PST by ravager
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To: Zhang Fei; ravager; James C. Bennett

Ah yes, India wanted to invade Diego Garcia at a time when it had close to zero heavy air or sea lift capacity, no medium-long ranger fighter bombers, no long-range missile capabilities and no nukes.

That wouldn’t even qualify for a B-grade Tom Clancy novel.


65 posted on 01/19/2012 11:04:14 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Zhang Fei

And exactly how many ‘Goanese’ fled the invasion? Most of the Goans I know seem to be a happy bunch.


66 posted on 01/19/2012 11:05:49 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: MindBender26

Sure the article is loaded with nationalistic bravado, but what happened in Bangladesh was a genocide which saw almost 3 million people get killed.


67 posted on 01/19/2012 11:08:15 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: MindBender26

Troll has typically meant someone at FR with a liberal agenda hiding under an alias, just waiting to cause trouble. Secondly, we do not always believe in (word for word) everything we post (not saying this is/isn’t the case here).

As far as the specific posting, if Mahatma Ghandi was teaching Canadians how to bomb the U.S., I’d have considered him in a less than favorable light. The domino theory / effect forced us to chose some less than solid partners. Does that make Chuck Yeager a thug or even less of a hero? Not to me. It does mean he was assigned to protect a people that have, IMO, largely turned out to be a feckless ally. India would have been a better partner for the U.S. and vice versa - the chips didn’t fall that way. There will still be some bad blood for some time - not unexpected.

Nothing in what was posted deserved a personal attack or the tag of troll. There’s a big difference between simple and simplistic.


68 posted on 01/19/2012 11:54:12 AM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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To: sick1; MindBender26
“It does mean he was assigned to protect a people that have, IMO, largely turned out to be a feckless ally.”

Chuck Yeager wasnt protecting Pakistan, he was assisting a regime that was carrying out mass genocide of Bengalis in East Pakistan. And as the article VERY CORRECTLY pointed out:

“Clearly, Yeager appeared blithely indifferent to the Pakistani killing machine which was mowing down around 10,000 Bengalis daily from 1970 to 1971.”

It was not simply a matter of chips not falling the right way. Chuck Yeager and Nixon-Kissinger made a clear choice to be a partner to a criminal regime in their heinous act. And till date their only defense is their righteous arrogance.

69 posted on 01/19/2012 12:11:54 PM PST by ravager
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To: Raven6; MBT ARJUN
“(everyone’s favorite target when they don't actually have to go face-to-face with the American.)”

Going face to face against India would have been ugly even for US. Thank God, it never happened. Everything turned out well actually....India won the war, the genocide was stopped, Bangladesh got their independence, Pakistan's Islamic war machine was destroyed...... and Chuck Yeager came back home with a little hurt ego. Wasn't all too bad.

“Yeager is an old school fighter pilot that raised a little hell when things didn't go his way... That is just fighter pilots in general.”

He did raise some hell.... not with his jet but with some angry words and breast beating. He was after all the coach of the PAF team and Indians were buzzing all over Pakistani airspace kicking butt. Poor Chuck Yeager even lost his own plane to add insult to injury.

70 posted on 01/19/2012 12:24:07 PM PST by ravager
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To: ravager

That’s one way to put it. I’m not sure supporting Pak was an option at that moment. IMO, the original sin was choosing China which has complicated a wide variety of issues ever since. If Kissinger had seen India’s potential and opened that country the way he supposedly opened China, he’d deserve the reputation of foreign policy genius. By starting with China, it’s just been decades of playing out a bad hand.


71 posted on 01/19/2012 12:27:05 PM PST by sick1 (Don't fear the freeper)
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To: MindBender26

What part of the article is BS propaganda and how so?


72 posted on 01/19/2012 12:31:08 PM PST by ravager
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To: MindBender26; MBT ARJUN
“Argun is the Sanskrit word for “military fighting vehicle” or “tank.”

Nope its not. Firstly it is “Arjun” and not “Argun”. And “Arjun” is a warrior from the epic Mahabharata and the tank is named after him.

And MBT ARJUN is a troll why?

73 posted on 01/19/2012 12:36:23 PM PST by ravager
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To: MBT ARJUN
Indian aircrafts flew in a special mission to destroy Chuck plane and let US get the message that they are not yet another country to bow down to them.

I find it very hard to believe than any special strike was dreamed up to destroy a C-12. If I'm planning on striking an airfield, I'm going after all aircraft, hangars, fuel tanks, and runway intersections that I can get in my sights.

74 posted on 01/19/2012 12:49:38 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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75 posted on 01/19/2012 12:55:32 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: sick1

Still sounds like a choice to me! It wasn’t like US HAD TO support Pakistan in there genocide and there was no way around it. Obviously it was a political choice and a bad one. Only difference is, people who made those choices either try to defend it with righteous arrogance or lay the guilt on India or forward some silly rationale. Very predictable responses.


76 posted on 01/19/2012 1:00:46 PM PST by ravager
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To: Zhang Fei; James C. Bennett; MBT ARJUN
“India is a lot like France - an ally that will always be there for you when they need you.”

When did India need/ask the US help for any fight?
India sent 2 million solider to fight WW1 and WW2 and Indian soldiers fought on all fronts. How many soldiers did France sent to fight?

” ...Yeager's stint tells us something about how secular Pakistan was during the period. Khan was a Shiite and a known hard drinker”

Yeah Pakistan was secular (and of course India was not) And why was Pak secular? Because Yahya Khan the dictator of Pakistan, the man in power allowed himself to drink alcohol. That shows how secular Pakistan was! Never mind the genocide of 3 million of their own people! That's just a minor niggle. /sarc

“During the 1970’s, India came close to invading the British base at Diego Garcia ...... so as to annex it.”

This one had gotta take the cake! I have never ever heard more BS on FR till date.

77 posted on 01/19/2012 1:23:43 PM PST by ravager
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To: SampleMan; MBT ARJUN

Yep, that’s a load of hot air-Yeager’s plane was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Would have ben pretty difficult for a rather weak air force (back then) to expend its energy to find a single Beechcraft.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1971War/ArunPrakash.html


78 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:11 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: MBT ARJUN
Yes, I read the article...

It is very easy to say after the fact that "we meant to hit Yeager's plane on the ground"... The truth is probably a lot closer to "There is an airplane on the ground and there is nothing up here to shoot at so I'm going to destroy the one on the ground."

Unfortunately, your reply to me was almost unreadable. You might try the old read twice, post once method. It will help you get your point across...

79 posted on 01/19/2012 8:45:14 PM PST by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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To: Raven6

So according to you, Indian naval pilots should have had Shot down much decorated american pilot ??? Na!!!Why would they do that when they destroyed his plane and sent the memo to washington -That Indians are not red Indians ,they can let you pay dearly .Chuck was furios the way Indian naval pilots targeted his plane .

I must salute that Indian pilot Commander Arun Prakash who made Yeager to duck down in a bunker .


80 posted on 01/19/2012 11:12:25 PM PST by MBT ARJUN
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