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The Impracticality of a Cheeseburger
Scientific American ^ | January 15, 2012 | David Wogan

Posted on 01/19/2012 7:41:42 AM PST by jmcenanly

What does the cheeseburger say about our modern food economy? A lot, actually. Over the past several years blogger Waldo Jaquith (http://waldo.jaquith.org) set out to make a cheeseburger from scratch, to no avail. “Further reflection revealed that it’s quite impractical—nearly impossible—to make a cheeseburger from scratch,” he writes. “Tomatoes are in season in the late summer. Lettuce is in season in spring and fall. Large mammals are slaughtered in early winter. The process of making such a burger would take nearly a year and would inherently involve omitting some core cheeseburger ingredients. It would be wildly expensive—requiring a trio of cows—and demand many acres of land. There’s just no sense in it.”

(Excerpt) Read more at scientificamerican.com ...


TOPICS: Cheese, Moose, Sister; Food; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: capitalism; cheeseburger; tryfarmingorshutup; waldojaquith
Thomas Malthus thought the same thing toward the end of the 18th century. He did not figure in human ingenuity, much like his later followers.I am surprised that the article took the pessimistic tone that it did, given that it appeared in Scientific American


1 posted on 01/19/2012 7:41:45 AM PST by jmcenanly
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To: jmcenanly

No! You are to fat!


2 posted on 01/19/2012 7:44:28 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: jmcenanly

Ridiculous.

Grow your lettuce and tomatoes in containers, in the window, a cold frame or a greenhouse.

Slaughter your beef, butcher and grind, then freeze. You can buy freeze-dried or canned beef patties, if you think freezing is problematic. Or just freeze the butchered meat and grind as needed. Or use venison. It makes a great burger if you have some saved fat to add to it when grinding.

Cheese takes months to make and then keeps for months more.

Bake buns as needed. They can be baked in a Dutch oven over a fire or on a wood stove, if necessary.


3 posted on 01/19/2012 7:55:38 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: jmcenanly
Tomatoes are in season in the late summer. Lettuce is in season in spring and fall. Large mammals are slaughtered in early winter.

We still have lettuce in the greenhouse. Tomatoes would be just as easy. Large animals can be slaughtered year around now that we have refrigeration.

He built a straw man, and then pointed out it's flaws.

/johnny

4 posted on 01/19/2012 7:55:55 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: jmcenanly

He can get a Macdouble for $1.00


5 posted on 01/19/2012 7:56:00 AM PST by Venturer
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To: jmcenanly

"Cheeseburgers - The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast."

6 posted on 01/19/2012 7:57:05 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: jmcenanly

The only issue is cheddar, swiss, or muenster?


7 posted on 01/19/2012 7:59:02 AM PST by AU72
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To: jmcenanly

“What does the cheeseburger say...?” (yummmmm) a cheeseburger around would say “heeeellllpppppppp! I’m being eate-—” then perhaps “burp!”


8 posted on 01/19/2012 7:59:43 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: dfwgator

That IS a tasty burger!


9 posted on 01/19/2012 8:05:18 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Many things that are rare now were merely unpopular back then.)
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To: Venturer

“He can get a Macdouble for $1.00.”

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And despite what the food snobs here and elsewhere say, that is nothing less than a modern miracle.


10 posted on 01/19/2012 8:05:24 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: jmcenanly

The cheese does not necessary need to come from a cow, and neither does the meat. Meat can be ground up from just about anything...squirrel or opossum if necessary. Any green edible leaf will do in place of the lettuce. Catsup, pickels, and mustard keep for a very long time. Fresh tomatoes are not required, they make the burger better but are not mandatory. Onions keep for quite awhile but can be canned or dried, and for that matter so can the tomatoes.


11 posted on 01/19/2012 8:06:40 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: AU72

“The only issue is cheddar, swiss, or muenster?”

And the answer to that question is: Yes.


12 posted on 01/19/2012 8:07:01 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Many things that are rare now were merely unpopular back then.)
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To: dfwgator

Big Kahuna Burger

That is a tasty burger!


13 posted on 01/19/2012 8:07:29 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Santorum/Perry/Newt 2012)
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To: reformedliberal

The mustard crop has been sparse this year. And don’t get me started on the ketchup and pickle plants.


14 posted on 01/19/2012 8:11:54 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Ron Paul: Favorite of military impersonators everywhere.)
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To: EyeGuy

The miracle is that this is not a subsidized price! No government assistance!

When I hear people complain about how poor people are eating at fast food restaurants while being on public assistance, it really makes me mad. McDonalds and taco bell are cheaper food than any grocery store.

The only way you can eat cheaper is to buy bulk staples when on sale and make everything from scratch. But that requires substantial storage areas, multiple refrigerators, and a well equipped kitchen. People in an apartment may not have the space for that.

There’s a very good reason why small houses for poor people 100 years ago had the kitchen as the largest room in the house...like my old house. 900sq foot 2 bedroom and the kitchen/dining accounts for about half the entire house.


15 posted on 01/19/2012 8:16:40 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: jmcenanly

I used to avidly read science magazines, Then they all were taken over by watermelons, and I gave up because the tidbits of useful information on scientific advancement was swamped in a deluge of left wing Eco-progaganda.

I refuse to pay for large helpings of drivel to wring out small portions of facts.


16 posted on 01/19/2012 8:33:03 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: reformedliberal

You mean like this?

http://www.windowfarms.org/

Once I get to the pet store, I’ll have the stuff for a DIY version. I have the perfect window.


17 posted on 01/19/2012 8:39:00 AM PST by PrincessB (Drill Baby Drill.)
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To: jmcenanly
.I am surprised that the article took the pessimistic tone that it did, given that it appeared in Scientific American

Scientific American has taken a pretty hard left turn in recent years. They're extremely concerned about global warming and they're no doubt concerned about all the CO2 released just to give us our supposedly-unhealthy cheeseburgers.

At any rate, here's the original.

It's a lot more optimistic.

18 posted on 01/19/2012 8:43:49 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: jmcenanly
Western Civilization needed a hearty breakfast and the cheeseburger provided it. That why both beef and cheese come from the same kind of animal. That's why New York was named after a strip steak and Wisconsin was invented.
Don't be diss’n the CheeseBurger!
19 posted on 01/19/2012 8:43:49 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: jmcenanly

That is two minutes of my life I’ll never get back.


20 posted on 01/19/2012 8:50:09 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's War on Prosperity is killing me)
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To: jmcenanly

The Democrats/liberals/progressives/socialists say that our planet can only sustain 30 million people. What they really mean is that with 30 million people, they can have the beach to themselves without all those little people getting in the way. Democrats - trying one more time to make their eugenics dreams come true.


21 posted on 01/19/2012 8:50:46 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mamelukesabre

Good and interesting post.

Cheap. Quick. Consistent. Tasty. And yes....gasp....nutritious.

Washington, for example, would have LOVED to have the technology and logistics which give us the incredibly cheap McDoubles, to feed his starving troops in the New Jersey campaigns, and at Valley Forge.


22 posted on 01/19/2012 8:50:53 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: mamelukesabre

Rat? This is a ratburger?

23 posted on 01/19/2012 8:55:09 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: PrincessB

Yeah, sorta.

I use regular pots w/dirt in a South-facing bay window and I have 3 AeroGardens going. I do not particularly recommend hydro lettuce, as it tends to be limp, so my new grow will be in containers w/dirt. I have a new plastic greenhouse to extend the seasons and will use it as a cold frame, come March.

Right now, I am growing Baby Bok Choi (Toy Choi) in a short AeroGarden. It is at the 3 leaf stage, so no report, yet. Burpee has new container seeds: peas-in-a-pot, spacemaster cukes, a couple of red sweet peppers (I save seeds for this) and a new tomato variety: Terrano. Just planted the little cherry stuffer peppers in a tall AeroGarden and one is up, but they have a long germination period. Cukes next after the Toy Choi is harvested and I think I’ll do the container peas in dirt in the window as soon as the freeze passes.

If you go the windowfarm route, please post to the Garden Thread. I’m interested, but am wondering about algae in the water.


24 posted on 01/19/2012 11:52:24 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Larry Lucido

While I realize you were being sarcastic, actually, you can make ketchup from dried tomatoes from your own crop or from homemade tomato paste. Easy. There is a cuke variety called pickle bush that adapts well to containers and would make nice hamburger dills. Dill is easy to grow year round, too and one summer crop yields a few years’ worth of dill weed and seed.

One of many mustard recipes:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/homemade-mustard-recipe/index.html

Mustard is easy to grow. In fact, it is a weed. Just let it go to seed.

Vinegar:

http://homecooking.about.com/library/archive/blvinegar.htm

with a ketchup recipe down the page a bit.

None of the things we eat are really that uniquely modern. People have made all sorts of foods, spices, condiments forever. Every culture has fast food/street food and this was true historically, too.

Logee’s is a mail order plant catalog that usually has all sorts of tropical spice plants, as well as tea and coffee plants for indoor growers. Coffee and tea do take several years to mature to bearing stage and one would be hard pressed to grow enough for the average modern Westerners’ consumption. However, given the interest, I would be surprised if there aren’t groups working on hybridizing coffee, tea and chocolate for temperate climes, let alone indoor growing. I do know of a group of dedicated amateurs working on dwarf tomatoes, so who knows what else is out there?


25 posted on 01/19/2012 12:08:56 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: jmcenanly

What do we care about haughty, local food hipster nuts? They can cry while the rest of us eat cheeseburgers till we split because we’ve discovered the secret of not having to get everything that morning from around the block.


26 posted on 01/19/2012 12:39:49 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: jmcenanly
Hard to make a movie about them too;

Adult language warning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX1Nh6c80wo

27 posted on 01/19/2012 12:49:21 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (This space for rant.)
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To: jmcenanly

I guess he never heard of San Diego. We could grow tomatoes and lettuce year round year round when I lived there.


28 posted on 01/19/2012 2:40:54 PM PST by ThomasThomas (The right has common sense , the OWS folks have common scents.)
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To: jmcenanly

I guess he never heard of San Diego. We could grow tomatoes and lettuce year round year round when I lived there.


29 posted on 01/19/2012 2:41:18 PM PST by ThomasThomas (The right has common sense , the OWS folks have common scents.)
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To: jmcenanly

The first and only time my wife brought home Hamburger Helper. I told her the only thing that helps hamburger is “One bun. Mayo and a slice of cheddar cheese”.

Ed


30 posted on 01/19/2012 7:16:09 PM PST by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

May as well be called “The Impracticality of Eating Food Out of Season”, something pretty much all of us do every day of our lives. It’s part of living in the modern world rather than living in serfdom under a heavily armed despotate.


31 posted on 01/19/2012 7:27:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Larry Lucido
And don’t get me started on the ketchup and pickle plants.

No possible way to get you started there. Now if we plugged ya into a currant bush, mayyyybe.

32 posted on 01/19/2012 7:36:34 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: jmcenanly

This is how I like my cheeseburger...thick hunk of meat with swiss cheese and mushrooms on a large roll. No condiments. Just meat, cheese, mushrooms and bread.


33 posted on 01/19/2012 7:55:12 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 22 days away from outliving Marty Feldman)
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To: SunkenCiv

the “eating foods out of season” thing and the “eat food grown locally” seems to be the latest and greatest thing on the bandwagon lately. I’ve seen other articles about it and new books in the library. I think it has something to do with not being green....i.e., it costs fuel and money to transport food from here to there.


34 posted on 01/20/2012 8:02:04 AM PST by midnightcat
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