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Weekly Gardening Thread Vol. 3, January 20, 2012
January 20, 2012 | JustaDumbBlonde

Posted on 01/20/2012 9:56:41 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde

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To: Racehorse

Excellent information! Thank you so much for posting.


101 posted on 01/21/2012 9:48:50 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: LomanBill

Very nice! Are those cucumbers or squash in the background by the fence looking structure?


102 posted on 01/21/2012 9:52:53 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Thank you!


103 posted on 01/21/2012 10:01:33 AM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I have a nice crop of Swiss Chard right now. It will be part of my spaghetti sauce tonight. Lettuce seedlings ready to transplant. Spring bulbs sending up shoots. I wish the weather would settle down, however. It doesn’t seem like winter at all as temperatures hover around freezing mark.


104 posted on 01/21/2012 10:21:12 AM PST by tob2 (November can't come soon enough for me.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Spinach, Kale, and Swiss Chard.

Just wanted to do a little test run before ramping up.

And in my dirt bed, I’ve still got oregano, leaks, and mint growing along with some Swiss Chard that survived the freeze (-20 outside for a couple days) that happened before I got the Aquaponics system pumping to better regulate the temperature.

Will be seeding the cukes and squash this week ;-) Probably some bush beans too.

BTW. the Fence Looking Structure is version 1.1 of my wall mounted solar heat exchanger. It will warm 75 gallons of 38 degree water up to 70 degrees on a sunny January day. But I’d like more BTUs for buffering the cold nights and better all around plant growth conditions... so Version 2.0 is in the works.


105 posted on 01/21/2012 10:23:29 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: tob2

Thanks for checking in! I’ve never had chard in spaghetti sauce before ... sounds interesting. I’ve never grown chard either. It seems so popular with the gardening group that I may have to try some.


106 posted on 01/21/2012 12:39:49 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: LomanBill

I would love to see some larger angle views of your setup. Sounds impressive!


107 posted on 01/21/2012 12:41:27 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

We have had 5.7 inches of rain this week and are rapidly making up for our deficit of the past 2 months. It is still raining. I’m not posting as often here due to the slow hang times on FR...

Do you do the reconstruction on the tear-outs for the bees?


108 posted on 01/21/2012 12:58:25 PM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: tubebender
Thank you for reminding me to mention that Mark and I are a "destruct only" team. We make it very clear to the client that they need to have somebody lined up to repair what we've torn up. Once the bees and their hive is removed, we're done. It is not always a one-trip removal either, as we sometimes come back for the queen if we don't get her the first try.

The queen will start running just as soon as we open up the hive to light. She will try to get out of reach, and is sometimes successful. We had one cutout where we left a little brood comb and she came back to it overnight and we caught her the next day. The remaining bees will be in a wad around her and you can pick-up the whole group and drop them into a bee box. You do run the risk of having the queen and her attendants "swarming", or leaving the area looking for new digs to start a hive. That happened to us once also.

The cutout that we are going to try to do tomorrow is about 15 ft. off the ground on the outside wall of an apartment building. No bees have been reported inside, so we are relatively certain that we'll be able to remove a few wooden shakes and remove the hive. We are borrowing a man lift to get us up there.

109 posted on 01/21/2012 1:18:44 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Thank you.

I am learning so much on the Gardening Threads. I have only been gardening for flowers and ornamentals, but this summer I want to start vegetable gardening.

I am considering a square foot garden. I don’t really understand the purpose of raised bed gardening.


110 posted on 01/21/2012 2:00:22 PM PST by dervish (female candidates: the last frontier)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Is it a vegetable or an ornamental?

http://www.planetnatural.com/site/swiss-chard-five-color.html


111 posted on 01/21/2012 2:08:53 PM PST by dervish (female candidates: the last frontier)
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To: dervish

That’s food!


112 posted on 01/21/2012 2:15:20 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: dervish

Raised beds are very useful when your soil is very rocky or very clay, or similarly unsuitable. Raised beds are also useful for people who don’t bend well, if you make them high enough. I did my first raised bed last year, called it my ‘salad bar’. You could make your way around it and have a beautiful, colorful, delicious salad. I did it in a raised bed thinking that weed control would be easier, but it was only minimally so. I did bury some soaker hoses in a concentric circle with hookup at one corner. THAT was very handy because lettuces don’t have deep roots and needed to be watered almost daily.


113 posted on 01/21/2012 2:18:15 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: dervish
We have several people on the list that do square foot gardening ... hopefully someone will offer any tips that they might have learned.

I believe that one of our gardeners said that her tomatoes didn't do really well in SFG. Kinda leggy and not very strong.

114 posted on 01/21/2012 2:20:48 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I will really look forward to the information on soil types!

In the meantime....if you want to see an extravaganza of tomatoes....including LOTS of Italian types, check this out:

http://mariseeds.com

;-)))))


115 posted on 01/21/2012 6:18:17 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

You do bees too?????

We have some hives, a smoker and a bee keeper’s hat....but we’ve never had bees. How difficult is it to get started?


116 posted on 01/21/2012 6:34:59 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita
Go to Amazon or your favorite book dealer and buy Beekeeping for Dummies and The Backyard Beekeeper. The bees really know what they are doing and we humans simply get in the way and try to get them to do it our way.

Spring and bee swarming season is coming and, if you can capture a swarm, you're off to a great start. If you put the word out that you will come get a swarm, people will call you, believe me. If you need to buy bees, you can.

After you've done some reading and you have questions, the premiere bee forum is Beesource.com. Many of the authors of bee books and some of the best breeders hang out there and answer questions. Beekeepers are a great community.

I will warn you, however, that bees will steal your heart immediately, and your own source of honey and the other by-products of bees is invaluable in a self-sufficient lifestyle.

117 posted on 01/21/2012 7:01:32 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: SumProVita

They have an awesome selection of tomatoes. Darn you ... tomatoes are really my weakness. :)


118 posted on 01/21/2012 7:04:43 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Wow! Thanks so much for this. My husband and I have a major project (fence) to get done and when it’s finished, I’m going to spend some time learning more about bees and getting the hives cleaned up.


119 posted on 01/22/2012 5:03:34 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

What are some good edible hedgerows or fence crops? I’m in 7B, Texas.


120 posted on 01/22/2012 6:04:17 AM PST by tbw2
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To: tbw2
Blueberries make a nice hedge, and there are so many varieties these days that you should be able to find the one that is perfect for your area. They have developed a hazelnut that is a shrub. Fig trees also make a nice, dense barrier all the way to the ground.

If you can put a sturdy top rail across some fence, muscadines would do well and you can make some kickin' jelly, syrup, juice and/or wine with those. You could train some blackberries or raspberries to a fence as well. We have several fence lines covered in blackberries because the birds have deposited them there.

121 posted on 01/22/2012 6:27:53 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I use it in recipes which call for spinach. Have none available right now. FYI, Swiss Chard is very bitter when eaten raw and needs to be cooked. A simple recipe is the take the leaves and saute them with fresh garlic in a small amount of olive oil. Sprinkle with Parmesan cheese.
122 posted on 01/22/2012 10:02:51 AM PST by tob2 (November can't come soon enough for me.)
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To: LomanBill
Got Aquaponics?

No, but it's something I really want to look into this spring. Care to share some more info, maybe with pictures?

123 posted on 01/22/2012 12:35:31 PM PST by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Is gleaning fruit from a source like this practical?
http://neighborhoodfruit.com/find_fruit


124 posted on 01/22/2012 1:54:11 PM PST by tbw2
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

I have some lettuce, pole beans, black eyed peas, and a couple types of okra seeds that I have been growing repeatedly (often unintentionally). Also a sweet onion which I haven’t tried yet, but the package says heirloom. Send me a mail with your address if you want to try any.


125 posted on 01/22/2012 5:31:24 PM PST by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: Darth Reardon

>>Care to share some more info, maybe with pictures?

Heh. Absolutely plan on sharing soon FRiend.

Got the heat exchanger reworked today ;-)

Next weekend I’ll get ‘er painted and presentable. Right now looks like a WIP Construction zone... which it is.

The bugs are pretty much worked out of the system; and my intent is that when I do the presentation, the system will be be in a proven and stable state that folks can duplicate relatively easily with off the shelf components.

Stay tuned.


126 posted on 01/22/2012 5:57:41 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: tbw2
I don't know what all is involved. Any source of local bounty seems to be a very good idea.

I am in a very rural area that has been farmland ever since, well forever. There are many old home sites, generally no house anymore, but you can tell the old sites because there will be a group of trees and shrubs in the middle of open farmland.

There is almost always old pecan trees, a few fig trees, a plum or two, peaches, and sometimes a quince tree. With permission, I can get more fruit and nuts than we could use in 4 lifetimes, and I do canning and preserving a full 3 or 4 months every year.

127 posted on 01/22/2012 7:20:09 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: SumProVita; tubebender
Mark and I completed the cutout of the bee hive today, and Mark's wife and my husband went along. We were carrying a manlift on a 30 ft. gooseneck trailer and with Mark still injured, my husband drove and Mark's wife kept him company while Mark and I were up on the lift removing the bees.

We have photos and I'll get them sorted and post a couple of them tomorrow. It was a small hive of probably 40,000 bees and we got almost all of them, including the queen.

128 posted on 01/22/2012 7:27:39 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: Gabz

Hope the dental appt. went okay. Thought you were gonna check back in and I thought about you today.


129 posted on 01/22/2012 7:29:21 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Shhhhh...can’t you see I’m watching the 49s...


130 posted on 01/22/2012 7:37:20 PM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

You’re right, I did say I would check back in...............in a way I did because I read - but I should have posted. My bad.

Dental appointment went as well as could be expected. She is learning her lesson that not brushing holds VERY serious consequences.


131 posted on 01/22/2012 7:40:22 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: tubebender

shhhhhhhhh ... sorry! So am I ... they are in trouble.


132 posted on 01/22/2012 7:41:33 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: tubebender

So am I - but I’m not really happy here. I really do not want to be rooting for the Giants in the Superbowl.......


133 posted on 01/22/2012 7:42:20 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; tubebender

EGADS..............root for the Giants? ACKKKKKKKK

I was born and raised in NYC and have NEVER rooted for the Giants..........


134 posted on 01/22/2012 7:55:54 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Serves me right, they lost! Looking forward to your photos but who owns the man lift or do you use it to look over the top of the corn?


135 posted on 01/22/2012 7:59:12 PM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: tubebender
A friend of the youngest son has a steel building construction business and owns several lifts. We have borrowed this one before to peek over the corn, and to trim some of our trees. Since Mark couldn't climb scaffolding, I borrowed the manlift.

Here Mark (left) and I are beginning to remove the wood shakes. Very little room up there, we have the bee vacuum, a hive box, and we hung the buckets for the honeycomb and the shop vac on the outside of the bucket to make room.

Photobucket

136 posted on 01/22/2012 8:30:29 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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I was in a tough spot ... don't want to root for the Giants, but didn't want to root for SF 'cause they beat the Saints and I'm still pouting.

Thanks for letting me know everything was okay.

137 posted on 01/22/2012 8:32:28 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I live near Raleigh, 7B. This year we’ll try to plant cabbage a couple weeks earlier than last, because we got bad worm damage right at harvest time last year, unfortunately. So we’ll plant our cabbage and brocolli nearer to the beginning of February than the middle, like last year.

Can’t wait. The garden’s ready to plant.


138 posted on 01/22/2012 8:57:09 PM PST by perchprism (To those about to revolt, we salute you.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I know how you feel - the Giants beat the Packers.

This was a really tough game for me because I am a Saints fan.

I think the yung’un has learned her lesson - she had a tooth pulled 2 weeks ago. But she’s not done - she’s got another appointment in 2 weeks.


139 posted on 01/22/2012 8:57:21 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: perchprism

Good luck this year! Nothing better than home grown cole crops ... they have so much more flavor than those that you buy in the grocery. Do you intend to start your seeds inside now, or are you planning to direct sow?


140 posted on 01/22/2012 9:12:21 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I will get sprouts to set out locally from our hardware store (brocolli and cabbage). Last year the brocolli variety I planted had no worms, which is extremely unusual. I forget the name, though. I let one head go to seed so I could possibly plant it this year, but of course I can’t find where I put them. Anyway, the brocolli variety only put out the central head, rather than the central head with off-shoots, which also is unusual. If I put out a different variety this year, it’ll be OK for that reason.

I start tomatoes, squash, cukes, pumpkins, and peppers from peat moss starter cups. Dixie Lee peas, 6 weeks peas, butter beans, green beans, and corn are direct planted. Usually I’ll buy 3 or 4 specimens of a particular tomato variety that I can’t get the seeds for: Parks Whopper. Best tomato I’ve ever grown, hands down.


141 posted on 01/22/2012 9:47:09 PM PST by perchprism (To those about to revolt, we salute you.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Will a Home Owners policy cover this expense? It must be darned expensive with the tear out and rebuilding. Nice looking home btw...


142 posted on 01/23/2012 8:44:38 AM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
South FL UPDATE: Computer and Garden are back up and both seem to be doing very well!
143 posted on 01/23/2012 1:01:12 PM PST by satan69 (garden)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; All
Hi y'all! Just an update from me. Peggy met with the owner of the house she wants yesterday.

No problem on me having a garden!

But we will have to put up $500 non refundable deposit for having Cashmere ... I can understand that. But thought it was high. She likes her new store and her job. But told me that Wal-Mart is not helping money wise in our move! I am so pissed off about that! We are not wealthy and this move will be very difficult for us.

144 posted on 01/23/2012 2:39:52 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: tubebender
Mr. Bender, your most excellent question prompted me to place a call to my State Farm agent who informed me, after contacting the home office because he didn't know, that bees are considered a varmit infestation and not covered by any homeowners policy.

The cutout we did yesterday was at an apartment complex, and insurance on properties like those may be different. That building may look nice, but the place is really a dump. When we removed the wooden shakes and began cutting the honeycomb out, we discovered that it was attached to the back of the sheetrock walls. There was no insulation whatsoever, and we further discovered that the hive was built totally around electrical wiring and outlet boxes. Had the building been insulated, there would have been no room for the bees to ever build a hive.

The apartments were not far from Grambling University and most of the tenants appeared to be students. Cars in the parking lot with student parking stickers.

145 posted on 01/23/2012 3:42:21 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
South FL UPDATE: Brussle Sprouts are almost done. They were planted on Sept 15th..
146 posted on 01/23/2012 3:48:20 PM PST by satan69 (garden)
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To: satan69

Thanks for the photo updates! Are you going to thin your corn? The brussel sprouts are beautiful.


147 posted on 01/24/2012 8:19:04 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: Red_Devil 232
I agree 110%, $500 non-refundable is high. Refundable would be acceptable, but half that for a non-refundable. I guess the landlord has had bad experiences with pets.

It is really chintzy of WalMart to decline some reimbursement for the move.

148 posted on 01/24/2012 8:27:28 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Thanks for the photo updates! Are you going to thin your corn?

Yes when I get done weeding the watermellon patch.. It’s taking forever.. I hate hurting.. I still have about a 20’ X 20’ spot to do... I will get it.. It just takes me a while.


149 posted on 01/24/2012 9:14:25 AM PST by satan69 (garden)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

We have the strangest damn thing going on here. Yesterday our yard was full of birds as usual but today there is not one to bee seen! I think it has to do with the burst of solar radiation that was reported yesterday but my wife thinks we are going to have earthquake??????????


150 posted on 01/24/2012 10:38:26 AM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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