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I dreamed of trolling against Newt in my maidenform bra and all I got was this big old zot
Washington Times ^ | Jan 20, 2012 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 01/20/2012 7:33:09 PM PST by Hoodat

ORANGEBURG, S.C. — Newt Gingrich on Friday backed at least a portion of the Dream Act, saying that he would grant a path to citizenship to illegal immigrant youths who agree to sign up and serve in the U.S. military.

That’s a much tighter standard than the full Dream Act, which President Obama wants. That legislation would allow legal status and an eventual path to citizenship for children and young adults who join the military, but would also apply to those who go to college — a much broader class of people.

“I am opposed to anybody who came here illegally getting citizenship. That’s entirely wrong,” the GOP presidential candidate and former House speaker told a young man who asked about illegal immigrant students. “The only exception I would make is if young people, the ones you are dealing with, are willing to join the American military and serve the United States.”

Speaking a day before South Carolina’s GOP primary, Mr. Gingrich said that would put them on par with any other foreign-born legal resident who joins the U.S. military, and who under the law has a path to citizenship.

Mr. Gingrich’s stance puts him in between Mr. Obama and GOP rival Mitt Romney, who has said he would veto the Dream Act.

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Remember the outrage on these boards when the Dems were pushing for passage of the DREAM Act?
1 posted on 01/20/2012 7:33:23 PM PST by Hoodat
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To: Hoodat

You’re really on an anti-Newt rampage tonight. Who are you supporting? Mitt or Santorum or Paul


2 posted on 01/20/2012 7:34:47 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: Hoodat

Newt lovers will disregard this just like global warming, lobbying freddie mac, the Newt leftist here on this board love him working goverment for 20 years then cashing in making 3-5 million a year, but romney can’t invest his own money open up a business and make a real honest living. Amazing group of leftist and hypocrites we now have here.


3 posted on 01/20/2012 7:36:21 PM PST by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Hoodat

LOL!!!

Flop sweat comes to mind.....


4 posted on 01/20/2012 7:36:31 PM PST by moehoward
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To: GoMonster

You’re calling Jim a leftist?


5 posted on 01/20/2012 7:38:04 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: ReneeLynn

I’m supporting the kid from Winchester, VA.


6 posted on 01/20/2012 7:38:58 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat
“I am opposed to anybody who came here illegally getting citizenship. That’s entirely wrong,” the GOP presidential candidate and former House speaker told a young man who asked about illegal immigrant students. “The only exception I would make is if young people, the ones you are dealing with, are willing to join the American military and serve the United States.”

In defense of Gingrich. The numbers here that Gingrich is talking about who do get into the military would be miniscule and given a path to citizenship versus millions of illegal immigrants inside the US. An analogy: only pocket change v. millions of bucks.

7 posted on 01/20/2012 7:42:12 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Hoodat

Rick. Well, you’re not doing him any favors with all this negative crap.


8 posted on 01/20/2012 7:42:20 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: GoMonster

Gonemonster


9 posted on 01/20/2012 7:44:57 PM PST by txhurl (WELL, Santorum? Still in it for yourself?)
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To: Hoodat
saying that he would grant a path to citizenship to illegal immigrant youths who agree to sign up and serve in the U.S. military.

Why even discuss something like that when there are proposals to reduce our ground forces by 80,000 during a terrible economy?

10 posted on 01/20/2012 7:47:11 PM PST by Will88
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To: ReneeLynn
You need to to do a little research on comments jim has made about newt. Just because he supports him over willard does not mean he wants to group hug the man. Try search!!
11 posted on 01/20/2012 7:48:31 PM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: ReneeLynn
You’re really on an anti-Newt rampage tonight. Who are you supporting? Mitt or Santorum or Paul.

Perhaps the quote from George Romney on Hoodat's About page is a clue to whom he (or she) supports.

12 posted on 01/20/2012 7:52:16 PM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: ReneeLynn

Amazing your resopnse is not no Newt did not make miliions off freddie mac and his government position as a lobbyist. No he didn’t make that commerical quid pro quo to get something for his group he lobbied for in return, you don’t defend his hypocratic attack on capitalism. You don’t say he wasn’t for a mandate in health care etc...etc...all you do is bring up “Jim” No I give Jim 100% pass all times just like Rush (even when I think he is wrong) because they have done so much. You guys are blinded is all I am saying. Newts “morals” no better then Clintons, he was a lobbyist and that is how he made his money, he was for mandates in health care, and help promote billiions of our tax dollars wtih Pelosi towards global warming hog wash. You like a liberal make no cogent arguement of facts just make an irrelevant statement.


13 posted on 01/20/2012 7:58:59 PM PST by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Hoodat

If you join the military, you get to be a citizen.

Makes all the sense in the world.

Heinlein agrees.

Military should always get 1000 votes.
Landowners. 500.
Those who paid taxes 7 or more years. 10
Citizens. 1.
Welfare Recipients 0.


14 posted on 01/20/2012 7:59:37 PM PST by ROTB (Christian sin breeds enemies for the USA. If you're a Christian, stop sinning, and spread the Word..)
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To: Hoodat

Well at least your not supporting the Bitter, Freddie Mac lobbyist, Mandate loving, wife cheatin, kicked out of congress, multi milliion lobbyist, anti capitalist fat old man independents hate NEWT!!


15 posted on 01/20/2012 8:01:03 PM PST by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Hoodat
I do indeed. This would have been slammed as "shamnesty" only a few short weeks ago.

I wish we had some of those so-called "RINO's" back like Daniels and Barbour again. They were far better than Newt.

They never bought into global warming or Federal healthcare mandates. And they've walked the walk, not just talked the talk.

16 posted on 01/20/2012 8:04:05 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Hoodat

The Dream Act was wrong, and rife with loopholes to give amnesty to virtually everyone who came here illegally. That is not what Newt stands for. What he does stand for is reason, and I will vote for him.

If all we get out of this election is a good, honest fight, then we have made the point. Romney is in no better position to win anything. I don’t want a kindly gentleman debating the pig, I want an attack dog. Even if Newt loses, BO will be greatly diminished. Not like McCain with his “my freind” BS. I want a FIGHT!


17 posted on 01/20/2012 8:06:40 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Hoodat

The Dream Act was wrong, and rife with loopholes to give amnesty to virtually everyone who came here illegally. That is not what Newt stands for. What he does stand for is reason, and I will vote for him.

If all we get out of this election is a good, honest fight, then we have made the point. Romney is in no better position to win anything. I don’t want a kindly gentleman debating the pig, I want an attack dog. Even if Newt loses, BO will be greatly diminished. Not like McCain with his “my freind” BS. I want a FIGHT!


18 posted on 01/20/2012 8:07:02 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: txhurl

Is that implied threat that I’ll be removed if I disagree with my fellow “Conservatives” (quotes for that word). Sounds like what liberals do when they can’t argue facts of an issue or case they just threaten and want to shut us up. They don’t actually respond to the facts. Any denial that Newt wasn’t for Global warming? Any denial that he was for Mandates? Any denial he made millions of dollars as a lobbyist? Denial that he lobbied for Freddie Mac and made 1.6 million? Denial that polls show Independent hate the hell out of him? Denials that he was kicked from congress and fined 300,000? Denial the “non insiders” the Tea Party of the early 90’s wanted to overthrow him because he was the “insider” playing ball? Or just gonna call me names.


19 posted on 01/20/2012 8:07:07 PM PST by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Hoodat

Horrible. McCain 2.0 on immigration. Newt would have signed the DREAM Act which was voted down (barely) last year. I cannot believe this is what we are left having no choice but to support. Mittens? Newt? Dullboy Rick? Sickening.


20 posted on 01/20/2012 8:07:36 PM PST by montag813
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To: Hoodat

Sorry but if some young man or woman is willing to put his or her butt on the line fighting and serving our military then why not give them a shot at making it. This wouldn’t give citizenship, merely give them a chance. If it draws even a small percentage of the illegal gangbangers off our streets and into honorable service then I say job well done.


21 posted on 01/20/2012 8:09:51 PM PST by Howdyneighbor
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To: Hoodat
When the Dems were doing it they weren't trying to solve the problem but were trying to make things much worse.

I'm confident Newt wants to solve the problem (thrown most of them out, seal the border, end identity fraud etc.).

If I could make all the trouble go away by giving amnesty -- and Newt is not even talking about that -- to 1 or 2 or even 10,000 illegals I would do it in a heartbeat.

22 posted on 01/20/2012 8:09:58 PM PST by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Hoodat

Considering that there is no more money for the military, I think this promise is virtually empty...which is good (in that way).


23 posted on 01/20/2012 8:15:26 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: Hoodat

I don’t think it’s right to blame you for simply reporting what Newt said.

Maybe Newt is the best candidate available. If so, by all means support him—but hold his nose to the grindstone and clue him in. If he says this now, what will he do once he gets into office?

With Obama and his Communist Defense Secretary threatening to fire tens of thousands of American servicemen, into a civilian world where there aren’t any jobs, the last thing in the world we need is to replace our own citizens with illegal aliens.

What the hell is Newt thinking?


24 posted on 01/20/2012 8:15:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: GoMonster

Go,

I won’t call you names. I will, however point out that you seem to have a propensity to forget that when Newt was busting chops he was doing it against a popular two-term Prsident. Was he a Chameleon? Maybe. But what the hell is Romney? Thats ALL we have left. Newt will take the fight to the other side of the field, he will represent us better than anyone remaining could possibly do. This guy wll NOT back down, and win or lose, we’re going to be better off that America saw these upcoming debates.

The enemy is Obama, and he needs to be clearly defined. Newt will do just that!


25 posted on 01/20/2012 8:16:21 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: montag813

Do you realistically think we can get the millions of illegals in our country out like magic?
So newt proposes that if an illegal joins our military, serves our country and risks his or her life on our behalf, that makes him soft on immigration?
Tell you what ill take a legalized immigrant marine for my neighbor over any damn Legal occupier scum that not only wouldn’t serve our country but wants to destroy it.


26 posted on 01/20/2012 8:16:21 PM PST by Howdyneighbor
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To: Howdyneighbor
Sorry but if some young man or woman is willing to put his or her butt on the line fighting and serving our military then why not give them a shot at making it

The Romans held out that particular carrot and it worked rather well for them.

27 posted on 01/20/2012 8:20:50 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: org.whodat

He endorsed him for president and that’s all anyone else is doing. You got a problem with that, smartarse?


28 posted on 01/20/2012 8:21:21 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: Hoodat

None of these losers will send the illegals back. Newt lost me here.


29 posted on 01/20/2012 8:22:04 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Greenpees

Fair enough. I agree we are on same team, we just have different opinions. Good news in my opinion Newt won’t win the nomination. If he did, true you would get pleasure having angry guy yelling at media etc...but he truly will get crushed. Everyone complains about Mitts positions, but he was governor of liberal state with 80 percent Demorats running it. Newt just went for Global warming crap, Freddie Mac, Lobbying, Mandate stuff without having to appease a Democrat state. Newts positions are far more leftist then Romneys, but I feel like I am arguing with a Democrat trying to explain tax cuts increase revenue. Facts don’t matter. But so be it. Also, I am going to support Charlie Brown if he won the nomination and yet everyone here says if Romney wins they won’t vote for him. Again, I don’t understand, but each to their own.


30 posted on 01/20/2012 8:24:55 PM PST by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Howdyneighbor
So newt proposes that if an illegal joins our military, serves our country and risks his or her life on our behalf, that makes him soft on immigration?

If there are limited slots for new enlistees, would you give these illegal aliens preference over US citizens?

That's likely the situation that will exist in the near future and it's dumb to even be talking (and pandering) about taking illegals into the military.

31 posted on 01/20/2012 8:25:27 PM PST by Will88
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To: GoMonster

What do you want? I don’t support Paul or Romney. Santorum is a big gov’t guy. Fed rights over state rights. SOPA. These were things just from the debate last night. Plus, he can’t beat Romney. Wake up, he just can’t. So, we have the imperfect candidate Newt Gingrich, who will at least not try to turn the US into a socialist state. Sarah Palin would be MY choice, but for now Newt is going to have to be it. Hmm, that sounds like liberal logic right?/s


32 posted on 01/20/2012 8:25:56 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: newheart
"Perhaps the quote from George Romney on Hoodat's About page is a clue to whom he (or she) supports.

Well that certainly un-muddies the water.

33 posted on 01/20/2012 8:32:21 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Will88

Don’t forget the local amnesty boards Newt proposed in the debate last night. Neighbors decide whether illegal grandparents can stay here if they have lived a good life, although illegally, in this country.


34 posted on 01/20/2012 8:32:28 PM PST by keepitreal ( Good manners never go out of style)
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To: GoMonster

Difference is Go, If Romney wins the nomination, I would walk on my lips through broken glass to support him. We’re just not there yet. I personally think Newt would surprise you, be eloquent and forcefull at the same time and take back our country from this f’en douche film that’s running it into the ground.

I just don’t see that passion in Romney.


35 posted on 01/20/2012 8:33:26 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: ReneeLynn

Gotya. Got no problem. I see it differently then you and some others, but so be it. I really can’t see him winning nor would Sarah Palin win. I like Sarah, but she can’t win. My goal is to beat Obama and unfortunately the people that decide it aren’t informed people and they don’t make their selection for the right reason. They don’t vote on issues, they vote on how the “feel” aka independents who vote, but don’t pay attention to politics. They are 15 percent and they hate Newt, hate Sarah. Not fair, but it is what it is. Romney only in my opinion can attract them at a greater level. Plus in my opinion Romney is more conservative then Progressive McCain was and Newt. Most people here supported Romney last time around against McCain.


36 posted on 01/20/2012 8:36:31 PM PST by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Hoodat

Wow, we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to elect a real conservative and it looks like we’re getting another hold your nose election.


37 posted on 01/20/2012 8:37:24 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: ReneeLynn

Go Newt!


38 posted on 01/20/2012 8:38:28 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Howdyneighbor

“Sorry but if some young man or woman is willing to put his or her butt on the line fighting and serving our military then why not give them a shot at making it.”

Agree 100% well said.


39 posted on 01/20/2012 8:40:55 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Hoodat; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; mkjessup; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
Not the best idea Newt has ever had,
but not the worst either, Try :


40 posted on 01/20/2012 8:43:18 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: moehoward

I just don’t get Newt. He does good, and then shoots himself in the foot. I cannot believe he is supporting any part of the dream act. And I saw a video of him last night talking about replacing Obamacare with another similar plan. Are there any true conservatives left who want to run for president. Sheesshh.......


41 posted on 01/20/2012 8:44:08 PM PST by gswilder
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To: freedomfiter2
Wow, we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to elect a real conservative and it looks like we’re getting another hold your nose election.

My sentiments exactly. And with McNewt as the nominee, we may actually lose.

42 posted on 01/20/2012 8:45:47 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: keepitreal
Neighbors decide whether illegal grandparents can stay here if they have lived a good life, although illegally, in this country.

And that's one of the more ridiculous ideas I've heard since the illegal alien debate became so prominent. Those boards in some communities would approve most everyone, and boards in other communities would approve almost no one, if they really have any authority to approve or disapprove.

Or, they'd have to make the guidelines so rigid that the local boards would be mostly rubber stamps so illegals of similar circumstances would not be treated differently in different communities.

It's a dumb idea that would result in mountains or lawsuits unless most all were approved in all communities.

43 posted on 01/20/2012 8:46:35 PM PST by Will88
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To: GoMonster
the Newt leftist here on this board love him working goverment for 20 years then cashing in making 3-5 million a year, but romney can’t invest his own money open up a business and make a real honest living.

As someone who has called Romney some pretty vile names I have to wonder why this very important fact can't even be discussed here. It seems all discussion of Romney is verbotten (sp)--he's the enemy, and any DISCUSSION of who he is beyond anti-Mormon stuff is out of the question.

I seem to recall a website where everyone heaped praise on Sarah Palin for starting a business and meeting a payroll. I seem to recall a website where Obama was bashed relentlessly for living only in the world of academia and government/'community leadership.'

I seem to recall a website where we wanted Washington insiders out, and people who were actual businessmen were in, and where capitalism was championed--real capitalism, not government payouts, but where failing companies were reorganized and all the realities (some not so comfortable) that entailed.

I keep looking for that website, where having money wasn't a crime particularly when the rich were giving much of their money to charity (in Romney's case, this includes many non-Mormon causes). That same site praised Sarah Palin for her devotion to her husband and kids through good times and bad.

Not sure what happened to that site. I keep finding this other one, where a serial philanderer and do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do Big Government guy who took money from the hated Fannie Mae when he wasn't in government or teaching (not that there's anything wrong with either, but one needs more varied experience) is being toasted as a conservative icon.

44 posted on 01/20/2012 8:49:56 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ( It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.--C.S. Lewis)
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To: montag813
Dullboy Rick?

Hey, buddy. He looks snazzy in those sweater vests. You take that back.

45 posted on 01/20/2012 8:52:00 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: montag813
Dullboy Rick?

Hey, buddy. He looks snazzy in those sweater vests. You take that back. :-)

46 posted on 01/20/2012 8:52:20 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Howdyneighbor
Do you realistically think we can get the millions of illegals in our country out like magic?

You are adopting the left-wing media's La Raza talking points. There is not a choice between amnesty and "deporting 12 million people". There is a middle ground. Attrition by enforcement. Madatory national E-Verify coupled with harsh AZ-style employer sanctions. Cutting off all welfare benefits for illegals. Increase workplace raids to Bush levels and then double them. Let the states like Arizona and Alabama enforce the laws the Feds refuse to enforce. Deport as many illegals as possible. And ban in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

So newt proposes that if an illegal joins our military, serves our country and risks his or her life on our behalf, that makes him soft on immigration?

Newt is blowing smoke up your ass. He has previously supported the DREAM Act - which had ZERO verification that an illegal was actually brought here as an child. Just as in 1986, such an act would result in millions more crossing the border and then later claiming they were brought here "by no fault of their own".

Tell you what ill take a legalized immigrant marine for my neighbor over any damn Legal occupier scum that not only wouldn’t serve our country but wants to destroy it.

Again, false choices. Illegals do not want to serve in the military. The vast majority come here, take American jobs, and send 70% of what they earn back home. And Dick Durbin's rhetoric that we "need" these "Dreamers" to fill our military positions is absurd. We are CUTTING BACK positions, not adding them (SEE: Military Cutbacks Undermine Major Rationale for “DREAM Act”). Will illegals get preferential treatment for them over U.S. citizens. The entire argument is absurd, and a smokescreen by supporters of blanket amnesty to get folks like YOU to lower your guard and trust them.

47 posted on 01/20/2012 8:58:57 PM PST by montag813
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To: Will88
It's a dumb idea that would result in mountains or lawsuits unless most all were approved in all communities.

Of course, that's the big idea: remember his "humane immigration" policy from the November debates? We can't send folks away who have been living here "a quarter century". It's "anti-family". So, in that case, one doesn't even need a citizen board to use any discretion at all - just prove that one has been here for 25 years and has started a family here, etc. (of course all will be forgiven about using false identity documents, etc.). People can all it whatever they like (especially if it has compassionate or humane in the title), but it's still amnesty. If you hide out long enough and have kids, you get the golden ticket.

48 posted on 01/20/2012 9:00:03 PM PST by keepitreal ( Good manners never go out of style)
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To: keepitreal
Neighbors decide whether illegal grandparents can stay here if they have lived a good life

Ugh. For real?

49 posted on 01/20/2012 9:02:16 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Hoodat; All
MUST READ for this thread:
Military Cutbacks Undermine Major Rationale for “DREAM Act”

The premise people like Gingrich (and Dick Durbin, and Luis Gutierrez) use for this position is absurd and unworkable.

50 posted on 01/20/2012 9:04:10 PM PST by montag813
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