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McDonald's proposal divides healthy Loma Linda
LAT ^ | January 22, 2012 | Phil Willon,

Posted on 01/22/2012 8:28:46 AM PST by BenLurkin

Without a single liquor store, and legally smoke-free for nearly three decades, the tiny hillside town of Loma Linda brims with pride about its devotion to health and spiritual well-being.

So news that the first McDonald's was coming to town, with its special-sauce-slathered Big Macs and 500-calorie sheaves of large fries, has triggered enough political reflux to put City Hall on the defensive.

"McDonald's does not fit the Loma Linda brand of health and wellness," said Dr. Wayne Dysinger, head of preventive medicine at the medical school. "Compare it to smoking laws: There's no question that smoking is harmful to people's health. Exposing people to fast food also is harmful to their health."

That healthful lifestyle is a core tenet of the Seventh-day Adventist faith, which is woven through the San Bernardino County town of 21,000, from the Adventist-run Loma Linda University Medical Center to a City Council governed exclusively by church members. There's even a Loma Linda line of vegetarian food, produced by the same company that makes Morningstar Farms vegan burgers.

Along with being vegetarian, most Adventists shun tobacco, alcohol and fancy dress. They are quick to brag about being home to the healthiest, and longest-living, folks in the nation. National Geographic in 2005 identified Loma Linda as one of the world's four "blue zones" — towns with greatest number of people living healthy lives into their 90s and past 100. The others were Okinawa, Japan; Sardinia, Italy; and Nicoya, Costa Rica. "It's a great point of pride that their commitment to health is paying off," said Dysinger.

For 81 years, the post office didn't deliver mail on Saturdays, the Adventist Sabbath, opting for Sunday instead. The postal service ended that policy last spring in a cost-cutting move, which faithful Adventists took as another slap at their traditions.

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KEYWORDS: lomalinda

1 posted on 01/22/2012 8:28:53 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

“McDonald’s does not fit the Loma Linda brand of health and wellness”

Then don’t eat there, the World doesn’t revolve around you.


2 posted on 01/22/2012 8:33:49 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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3 posted on 01/22/2012 8:34:30 AM PST by narses
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To: BenLurkin

The end result of protecting people from their folly is a world full of fools.


4 posted on 01/22/2012 8:36:05 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: BenLurkin

I assume the following does not apply to this community but, why is there not a ban on pre-marital sex, abortions, and homosexuality. Truly, these things are proven to cause long term harm, early death, and cost society huge sums of money. The Progressive/Marxists have got to know that the propaganda machine they have built, could one day be turned against them. One day soon, before this PC stuff is trashed, the true effects of govt rule of personal behavior will be revealed in all its glory.


5 posted on 01/22/2012 8:36:08 AM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: BenLurkin

Place sounds like Nazi central.


6 posted on 01/22/2012 8:36:25 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: Huskrrrr

“First medicinal wine from a teaspoon, then beer from a bottle!”


7 posted on 01/22/2012 8:37:19 AM PST by steve8714 (Hitchens was wrong.)
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To: Huskrrrr

Bingo! And these nosy busybodies should let the people in Loma Linda make that decision. If they all feel the same way, McDonald’s will not do enough business there to remain open.


8 posted on 01/22/2012 8:41:43 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Climate Change" my a.... All weather is local.)
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To: BenLurkin
Dear Mickey D's, build it and they will come.

Betcha there are many residents of Loma Linda who stop at a McDonalds when they are out of town.

9 posted on 01/22/2012 8:43:00 AM PST by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: BenLurkin
They are quick to brag about being home to the healthiest, and longest-living, folks in the nation.

Who then die, just like everyone else. As for me and my house, we'll have a cigar.

10 posted on 01/22/2012 8:46:01 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: BenLurkin

Goodness! No one in this town ever dies, I suppose—what with all that healthy living, and all.

It might be interesting to see the death rate there, and the ages of the people when they die. That way, we could see if they are truly on to something.................or not!


11 posted on 01/22/2012 8:46:43 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: BenLurkin
Along with being vegetarian, most Adventists shun tobacco, alcohol and fancy dress.

Fancy dress?!

Now they've gone too far...

12 posted on 01/22/2012 8:48:10 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: BenLurkin

This concern from the LA Times? If they are really concerned about helping people, the LA Times should shut down and quit putting out that vapid dreck that they pass off as news.


13 posted on 01/22/2012 8:48:29 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: basil

Capitalism at its best. Build a Mickey D’s, pay taxes, hire people. It will either work or it won’t.

Their fear is it will work and The Vegan Grill will have to close its doors. Then Mickey D will sell a McVegan, extra sprouts for no extra cost.


14 posted on 01/22/2012 8:52:59 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Most Conservative in the Primary, the Republican Nominee in the General.)
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To: and so?
The very first McDonald's built by the McDonald Bros. is in the very same San Bernadino County as Loma Linda. I'm 70 yo and have eaten at McDonald's since a small child. Not over weight, low blood pressure,don't have a cholesterol problem.

I do have a rare lung disease. Maybe all those fries caused....

15 posted on 01/22/2012 8:56:02 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: basil

With all those “temptations” banned, they don’t actually live longer, it just seems that way to them.

Dullsville!


16 posted on 01/22/2012 8:57:45 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: runninglips
This is not about "progressive/marxists," this is about a town ruled by Seventh Day Adventists. Loma Linda is famous for its virtual theocracy.
17 posted on 01/22/2012 9:07:53 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: BenLurkin

You will have a hard time finding a city anywhere in the country that has a more solid conservative voting record than Loma Linda. If your kid is sick Loma Linda Children’s Hospital is on of the best in the world. Leading the world in infant heart transplantation.


18 posted on 01/22/2012 9:11:25 AM PST by ThomasThomas (The right has common sense , the OWS folks have common scents.)
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To: Huskrrrr

They would strongly disagree, and assert that the world does indeed revolve around them; and that their opinions are the only ones that matter.

Importantly, the truth though is that it is extremely difficult to forbid a restaurant from a city. Its zoning is ordinary, and the site they choose will likely already be zoned for business. The state, not the city, approves the health license for a restaurant to function.

Best of all, McDonalds has a legion of lawyers who could chew the city to ribbons if it tried sneaky means of prohibiting them.


19 posted on 01/22/2012 9:16:34 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

McDonalds is food-porn. Fatty, greasy, and essentially all of their offerings are animal carcasses. I don’t object to a town saying “Go elsewhere to eat that slop!”

Before you reply with the usual photos, meat extolling, and personal insults, I ask you to do one thing.

Look down at your belly, and imagine your heart coated inside and out with the same fat deposits. I am watching fat people here in Appalachia limping, hobbling, and dying in their 40s because of their addiction to fast fat food. Sad.


20 posted on 01/22/2012 9:28:56 AM PST by mountaineer1997
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To: mountaineer1997

“I am watching fat people here in Appalachia limping, hobbling, and dying in their 40s because of their addiction to fast fat food.”

I doubt it is fast food. It is just addiction to food.

One can get overweight on homemade lasagna carbonese, or pancakes, or steak and eggs.

Or McBurgers and fries.

Plenty of thin people eat at McDonald’s. Plenty of fat people don’t.


21 posted on 01/22/2012 9:32:08 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: mountaineer1997

Thanks for letting us know your penchant for nanny state government.


22 posted on 01/22/2012 9:42:37 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: BenLurkin

A city near us, Rolling Hills Estates, didn’t want fast food, so they made a rule that there can be no drive-up windows. There is still a Burger King, but no window. Perhaps Loma Linda ought to look into that sort of a regulation.

I had the pleasure of working with a Seventh Day Adventist some years ago. She was the one person in the office who absolutely would not gossip, and deflected it so gracefully that you never thought she was being holier-than-thou. I was impressed and humbled.


23 posted on 01/22/2012 9:43:26 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: BenLurkin

Loma Linda is also home to the world-class Geoscience Research Institute,
www.grisda.org
Freepers interested in Creation Science might want to visit.


24 posted on 01/22/2012 9:46:39 AM PST by STYRO (Take this government and shove it.)
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To: Persevero

So would a Halal food establishment be accepted where y’all live?


25 posted on 01/22/2012 9:47:26 AM PST by yadent
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To: BenLurkin

Loma Linda Children’s Hospital has a Ronald’s McDonald’s House. Just saying.


26 posted on 01/22/2012 9:49:23 AM PST by Mike Darancette (11/06/2012: Starts "Occupy the White House")
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To: BenLurkin
Exposing people to fast food also is harmful to their health."

Is Dr. Dysinger confusing fast food and plutonium?

27 posted on 01/22/2012 9:50:36 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas

Excellent observation!


28 posted on 01/22/2012 9:54:40 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: mountaineer1997
Look down at your belly, and imagine your heart coated inside and out with the same fat deposits.

I'm looking, as you asked, but since I don't see any fat deposits I don't understand the point of your exercise.

29 posted on 01/22/2012 9:56:24 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: BenLurkin

Loma Linda has always been a world unto itself. Great hospital and citizens of a different sort. There are probably 10 MickyDs within a five mile radius of downtown.

As an aside...if you want a real treat, go to the Loma Linda Market(a vegan mecca) and buy a Chocolate Prune Cake.
Best. Cake. Ever.


30 posted on 01/22/2012 9:58:56 AM PST by Donkey Odious (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Correct, our son was recently in ICU at loma linda, they are world class. Ron McDonald’s house was full up with exhausted parents desperate for healing for their kids. McDonald’s ROCKS, thankfully our son is Ok now. When Obamacare has had its way with this town people will DIE.


31 posted on 01/22/2012 10:06:02 AM PST by weeweed (Proud Costco University graduate)
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To: mountaineer1997

Bacon.


32 posted on 01/22/2012 10:24:29 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Donkey Odious
As an aside...if you want a real treat, go to the Loma Linda Market(a vegan mecca) and buy a Chocolate Prune Cake. Best. Cake. Ever.

Found the recipe here.

http://www.grouprecipes.com/19979/loma-linda-chocolate-prune-cake.html

I'd tweak it a bit: change the vegetable shortening to butter, and that's it.

33 posted on 01/22/2012 10:31:21 AM PST by thecodont
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To: mountaineer1997

I’d see it as a simpler problem than that. Basically, someone wants to sell you something ordinary, and you want to buy it, yet a third person steps in and says you *can’t* buy it, because (they think) “It’s not good for you!”

Unless that third person is my wife, which I don’t have one, btw, all the consideration they deserve is to be told to butt out.

Yet there is a seemingly endless supply of people who want to be that third person, over just about every thing under the Sun. If you allow them to rule your life, you have no life. Or, you can tell them to butt out. And many people do tell them to butt out.

So their recourse is to try and persuade government to force everyone to do what they want, because they know better. At this point, an annoyance becomes a tyranny, and such people no longer need to be told to butt out, but to be punched firmly in the nose.

“I am watching fat people here in Appalachia limping, hobbling, and dying in their 40s because of their addiction to fast fat food. Sad.”

Sad, maybe. But the bottom line is that they are not your concern. You yourself are, or at least, you should be, your concern. They have their own lives to live, their own destiny to follow, and to help and harm others as they see fit. It is best to lead by example, not by jeremiad.

To be a good person, you can help them get up when they fall down, if they ask for help; you can feed them if they are hungry, if they ask and you are charitable; and you can give them good advice, if they ask for it and you have what you know is good advice to give, in a way they are receptive to.

To be a bad person, you must assume that you always know better; that you know a person’s path and heart with just a brief glance; that you can fix in them what you regard as broken or defective, whether they want you to fix that or not; and that you can protect and defend them against the challenges, mistakes and victories of their lives.

But the choice of whether to be a good person or a bad person is yours to make.

When you look at fast food gluttons, do not be sad. Instead rejoice at their freedom in designing the life they want to lead as their life’s work of art. They have spent their entire life becoming and being who they are. What right have you to criticize it?


34 posted on 01/22/2012 10:37:10 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Rebelbase; mountaineer1997

I went back and read mountaineer’s post. Maybe you should too. No mention of nanny statism or laws prohibiting fast food whatsoever. Not even a hint. Just pointing out that bad personal choices have consequences. Hitting a little too close to home for you?


35 posted on 01/22/2012 10:38:10 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Chuckster

“I don’t object to a town saying “Go elsewhere to eat that slop!””

How else is it to be interpreted?


36 posted on 01/22/2012 10:46:20 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: BenLurkin

I’d rather live in Loma Linda than Dearborn, MI...just sayin’. I’ve known several Seventh Day Adventists. Even though I don’t agree with their view of theology, I thought they were generally very nice people. Being vegan, they need to supplement with B12, but they seem generally healthy otherwise.


37 posted on 01/22/2012 2:41:05 PM PST by toothfairy86
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To: BenLurkin

Loma Linda is not an isolated community.

It’s city limits abutt San Bernardino and Redlands city limits, and it is NOT empty space devoid of homes and businesses that sits along most of the lines between them.

I have family in the area and they shop in Redlands, Loma Linda and San Bernardino as well as in areas adjoining any two of them. When I am visiting them, depending on the particular location we are in, they often cannot always tell me the answer to: “are we still in Redlands or have we crossed into Loma Lind now” (or vice-a-versa or substitute San Bernbardino in there). Yes each of the three towns do have a paricular “downtown” area, but all the commercial activity is not limited to them and some of the commercial activity is down-right right between them.

I doubt that Loma Linda residents alone would be or even are expected to be the only customers for this McDonalds, anymore than that is the case with other businesses in Loma Linda and anymore than is the shopping habits of Loma Linda residents limited solely to establisments in Loma Linda.

I don’t think the result would be any loss to local property values, no matter what most 7th Day Adventists in Loma Linda themselves thought of McDonalds.


38 posted on 01/22/2012 3:23:29 PM PST by Wuli
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To: BenLurkin

McRib, secret sauce, sweetened drinks, Loma Linda has great medical service. Letur rip!


39 posted on 01/22/2012 3:28:10 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: yadent

“So would a Halal food establishment be accepted where y’all live?”

There are already Halal establishments in my town. Have been for years.

I have no objection from a free market standpoint. There is no crime or sin in slaughtering animals in a halal way.


40 posted on 01/22/2012 3:42:55 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: BenLurkin; Eric Blair 2084; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ..

Shouldn’t somebody call the ACLU? This 7th-day Nanny Statism sounds like an establishment of religion to me!

Nanny State PING!


41 posted on 01/24/2012 9:26:38 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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