Skip to comments.I can't find an answer, what the hell is self-deportation?
Posted on 01/24/2012 5:19:57 AM PST by jenk
Mitt got laughed at last night! I cannot find what self-deportation could mean? Starving them out? Keeping a bad economy? What?
Essentially, if the US cuts off the freebies (walk-in healthcare at your local emergency room, food stamps, etc.) and prosecute employers for hiring criminal entrants illegally (that is, no more jobs for illegals that pay under-the-table so that they have to contribute some of their earnings to all those freebies), they will leave their country because there is no financial incentive to stay here.
leave their = leave the
Kinda what has been happening in Alabama. Except they are probably self-deporting to another illegal immigrant friendly state. Unemployment has dropped almost 2 percentage points since and many have left our schools . . . hopefully many more aren’t showing up in the emergency rooms, pregnant & in labor, to further suck up our resources.
It’s the opposite of self-importation.
Self-deportation is a flight of fantasy on the part of some.
However, we should remember that the actual amnesty legislation being considered during GWB’s administration included some delusional provisions for illegals to show up and self-identify.
So we have a Republican interested in keeping a bad economy?
Fixed it for you.
It’s a pretty mainstream conservative position. Instead of creating some kind of police state to round up millions of illegals, we give them a reason to leave on their own. Don’t give them welfare, don’t allow anyone to hire them and don’t have any sanctuary cities and the problem should eventually resolve itself via attrition.
Right. It’s obvious. You aren’t allowed to work, have no green card, are here illegally, you get the message pretty quick. You pack up your duds and go home. It makes more sense than Newt’s plan to pass everyone through some kind of draft board bureaucracy where a panel decides who goes and who stays. Reminds me of the Nazi guards deciding who went to the gas chambers and who stayed to work as slave labor.
Do you honestly believe Romney will do all that with Democrat’s squealing? He’s proud of working with the other side.
The economy should be bad for illegals trying to find a job here but not everyone else.
in order for that to happen, the rules have to change drastically, does anyone believe Mitt will change the rules? No way.
Self deportation is not a fantasy, how did these people get here? They can go home the same way.
On the other hand the DUI and reckless driving statistics demonstrate that a very large percentage of them have motor vehicles.
Actually, the rape, robbery and mayhem statistics point to there being many who are quite capable of running around loose without a great deal of prompting!
From time to time I provide an analysis on FR that demonstrates how we can ship all the illegal aliens "back home" in under 6 months. It starts with encouraging them to sell their stuff, hop in their cars and trucks, and drive to Mexico ~ that's the 90% of them who hale from Mexico.
That country is no more than a 3 day drive away from wherever they are now.
It's not like anyone needs to use forced overland marches in the hot Sun. There are enough seats available to get them all there.
Supplementing that there are enough vacant seats ~ unused "lift capacity" ~ on airplanes to move 100% of them to Chiapas State (a primary source of the folks who look like Classic Maya) in about 6 months.
The other foreigners who aren't supposed to be here can be loaded on foreign air carriers, with a good number of them being able to travel out in the crew-quarters of their own countries' flagged cargo ships.
It is far from impossible to deport all the illegals and make sure they get home in time for Christmas dinner. Anyone who says it's too difficult to do that, or who says its inhumane, is an idiot who hasn't really thought about it.
Fix your own posts.
I post what I think
How about this fro you “Fixed it for you because I’m a little boy in the basement playing with myself.”
I’ll use it in a sentence for you.
Romney is self deporting from the Presidential race.
I don’t believe Romney will do all that, he is proud of working with the other side, this point of his was a joke and that is why he got laughed at. The absence of clapping made the snickers all the more loud.
“in order for that to happen, the rules have to change drastically, does anyone believe Mitt will change the rules? No way.”
I don’t know about what Mitt will do but it’s a good idea IF we can also clamp down on the border.
He's trying to avoid being called INHUMANE.
This also overlaps the Reagan Amnesty ~ so these guys would be some sort of "leftovers".
I'd send them back too ~ someone who didn't take advantage of that Amnesty should simply be SOL. Besides, it's time to do a bit of investigating for fraud in that Amnesty anyway.
Newt should just drop the Amnesty idea. Nobody here cares. We have 26 million unemployed people and these people have stayed too long and are no longer welcome ~ not them, not their enablers, not their employers.
Time to crack down with jail time for those who hire illegals.
I said nothing about Romney enacting such a policy. He supports amnesty. He’ll let them in thinking (falsely) that they’ll vote Republican. They won’t. They’ll laugh and flip the bird at the GOP and vote DemocRat.
I was just trying to explain what the theory is.
Sorry, I didn’t realize you were so deep in the tank for Romney.
“When there are no jobs the illegal goes home of his own accord”...
For this to happen there actually needs to be precursor action which is to incarcerate those rat U.S. citizens who
love to employ the illegals.
yes I know, and thank you, but romney isn’t interested in doing what it would take.
Illegals come here in response to various incentives - jobs, free medical, free education, citizenship for their children among others. If these incentives were removed they would stop coming and many would leave. That, by itself, would be a huge improvement but not enough. The criminal element would need to be dealt with more directly.
There have been threads right here on FR talking about illegals leaving states just in anticipation of employment laws being enforced.
Enforce employment laws and remove them from the public money nipple and they will go home.
If Mitt was fired up, he sure fooled me. Mitt was trying to land a gotcha or something. Rove has a piece of work here. Mitt is not Bush and he aint going to be President.
Meanwhile, the Dream Act is being employed via a new czar who was the senior vice president of La Raza.
my point is, it is a fantasy for Romney to say it, when he will have no intention of doing what needs to be done (a complete 180 of today’s rules) for it to happen.
Maybe you should get out of the basement more.
And just for your information - none of my preferred candidates are still in the running - and since NC is way down the primary list my choices will be very limited come primary day.
“Enforce employment laws and remove them from the public money nipple and they will go home.”
Newt is saying that if they have to depend on social security then they have to go.
Applicants must first pass a criminal background check, and then the local committees will assess applications based on family and community ties, and ability to support oneself via employment without the assistance of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other entitlement programs.
The government will rigorously enforce a requirement that all individuals seeking this path to legality must be able to prove that they can independently pay for private health insurance. If an individual cannot prove this, they will lose the ability to stay in the United States.
“When there are no jobs the illegal goes home of his own accord. “
Not if they can count on welfare and other help. Or a life of crime.
Context matters. You are restricting yourself to the means.
Self-deportation as envisioned by politicians involves illegal immigrants becoming overwhelmed with guilt or suddenly fearing the law and returning to their homeland. Obviously these are too fantastic to be taken seriously.
I don’t like it but its at least a partially honest answer.
Operation Wetback didn’t deport nearly as many as those who left on their own and that kind of encouragement is needed.
Frankly I’m disgusted that we’ve winnowed the field down to where Mitt Romney has the strongest immigration stance with a whopping D- grade from numbers USA.
Gradual, announced stepped up enforcement encourages these poor mistreated illegals to come out of the shadows and go home.
It wouldn't take a week before you would e looking to get out of this country. Nobody has to arrest you, or detain you, or even have contact with you from the INS. You would be hungry and homeless very quickly.
Today it's almost a badge of honor to not ask for documentation to get any benefits. I had to have ID for almost everything I had to do. During the housing bubble, a friend of mine was moving from Dallas area to Houston area and was selling his house. He got a call from the realtor saying they had an offer on his house. Everything was going fine for a WEEK OR TWO while my friend was getting ready to move out of his house. Then he gets a call saying there was a problem with the buyer. The Social Security number didn't match on the home loan. The mortgage company asked the buyer for ANOTHER SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER! They said they NEEDED A SS # that WORKS! Can you imagine? They new the guy was an illegal but were trying to get the loan anyway. What if he came back with your SS#? H4e eventually ran to Mexico after giving them 2 more bogus numbers.
I just refinanced my home and had a proctologist approval for my loan. How does a person get in for weeks before there is a problem? How does his children go to school without a BC? My daughter had to have one, I and my wife both had to have one. Now we can't even ask for one for president.
However, given the lackadaisical manner of the current administration regarding illegal aliens, the posse doesn't have any horses or guns and is too busy at the "Obama Drama" combo bar and cat house.
Did that help?
LOL! Come on, you can do better than that.
Maybe you can Google up some really creative ad-hominem insults?
So long as American employers have an economic incentive to hire illegal labor - it will be as if an “invisible hand” provides them.
All the effort on the border, or in deporting (catch and release) is idiotic - it will not stem the flow.
When you cut off the jobs that they came here for - they will go home.
Most illegals come here to work and repatriate money back home - without the work they have no money so they have to go home.
That is “self-deportation” and it is much better.
People say “there is no way we are going to deport X million people” and I point out that they didn’t need a government program or bus to GET HERE and they won’t need one to leave.
All they need to be encouraged to leave is to be denied what they came here for. Jobs.
People sometimes say “how can we deport 20 million people?”. Well, they got here somehow, didn’t they? And they probably have more money now than when they showed up...
So, the answer is:
1. Make it extremely difficult for someone to work illegally in the US.
2. Cut off any social services for non-citizens.
3. The illegals will go back to the countries where they legally reside.
How, pray tell, will these people prove they have been here 25 years? How about the heartlessness of the guy here 20 years, has grandchildren that are citizens, and is working? The only solution, is no birth citizenship for children of illegals. No social spending other than schooling. That includes, no health care unless they can pay cash in a hospital. If the hospital wants to treat them, they can. They just don’t get reimbursed from the public purse. That of course would include education. If a local school board wants to use public funds for them, they are free to do so. If they don’t want to, they are also immune from prosecution. Mainly because the federal govt has no role in education.
He can take his chilluns’ with him. We don’t stop that now; why would we begin doing that.
You know those millions of Mexicans, for example, who are here illegally? Well, they used to live in Mexico. Then they self-deported.
A new report shows that between 2002 and 2010, Arizona’s crime rate dropped twice as much as the crime did around the country.
Not one reporter or state official was brave enough to mention the reduction of illegal aliens or Sheriff Arpaio. It’s just crazy here.