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Native Americans actually came from a tiny mountain region in Siberia, DNA research reveals
Daily Mail ^ | 26 Jan 2012 | Rob Waugh

Posted on 01/27/2012 8:32:48 AM PST by Theoria

Altai in southern Siberia sits right at the centre of Russia. But the tiny, mountainous republic has a claim to fame unknown until now - Native Americans can trace their origins to the remote region.

DNA research revealed that genetic markers linking people living in the Russian republic of Altai, southern Siberia, with indigenous populations in North America.

A study of the mutations indicated a lineage shift between 13,000 and 14,000 years ago - when people are thought to have walked across the ice from Russia to America.

This roughly coincides with the period when humans from Siberia are thought to have crossed what is now the Bering strait and entered America.

'Altai is a key area because it's a place where people have been coming and going for thousands and thousands of years,' said Dr Theodore Schurr, from the University of Pennsylvania in the US.

Among the people who may have emerged from the Altai region are the predecessors of the first Native Americans.

Roughly 20-25,000 years ago, these prehistoric humans carried their Asian genetic lineages up into the far reaches of Siberia and eventually across the then-exposed Bering land mass into the Americas.

'Our goal in working in this area was to better define what those founding lineages or sister lineages are to Native American populations,' Schurr said.

The region lies at the intersection of what is now Russia, Mongolia, China and Kazakhstan.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: altai; china; clovis; dna; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; kazakhstan; mongolia; nativeamericans; parsimoniousness; russia; siberia; yakut
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To: Theoria

And, here we sit with little asian nations throughout our own nation. My ancestors probably belonged to a tribe at sometime. I think it was the KEEPTHEMAWAYFROMYOURWOMEN tribe. Our family has a long tradition of leaving town just ahead of the mobs the royals stirred up when they caught a family member in the sack with a queen or princess. Kowabunga!


21 posted on 01/27/2012 9:29:10 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RitchieAprile

They worry that they will lose their “special” status as individual “nations”, which is all PC BS anyway. Various tribes overran and wiped out other tribes long before Europeans came. They were defeated by a stronger tribe; too bad and so sad </sarcasm>.


22 posted on 01/27/2012 9:31:15 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The stretch was getting it into a thread about Native Americans. Well done


23 posted on 01/27/2012 9:54:03 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: stuartcr

No stretch. This article provides evidence that refutes the basis for the mormonic claim that Jesus Christ visited the Americas to go to [Jewish] sheep He had there. A huge unfounded claim, as evidenced [repeatedly] by DNA - including this article.


24 posted on 01/27/2012 10:00:16 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Proud RINOmney Denialist since 2007!)
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To: pabianice
That their ancestors now demand the earlier remains not be studied is just more proof.

Wouldn't that be lack of proof if you don't have something to study?

25 posted on 01/27/2012 10:13:40 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Sure, no problem


26 posted on 01/27/2012 10:19:26 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: MestaMachine; Theoria

Exactly-every archaelogical find shows that people have always been curious enough about what is “over there”, and whether it might be profitable to trade there to slap together a raft/boat, pack up some stuff to trade, hoist a sail, if they had one, pick up some paddles, launch the boat and go check it out.

It wouldn’t make sense to totally exterminate each other, either-the Bible and other accounts of what went on then certainly show that people fought over just about everything, but I’m betting they also loved the profit from trade. And men have always been interested in mating with foreign women, even if the Greeks and Romans were the first to make it a trademark of their macho-conqueror lifestyle-I doubt people were any different before they knew how to write stuff down.

I’m Hispanic-like most, my ancestors were Native American, from what is now Mexico and the southwest, and people who came there some 3 or 4 hundred years ago from Spain. It doesn’t matter whether they were mongoloid, caucasoid, a mix of the two or something else altogether-we are all so mixed up that no one really knows who was here 15-20 thousand years ago or where they came from-they were likely mongrels, too. I’ve been to see those statues the Olmecs in Mexico made way back when-if those are not images of African people, I’ve never seen one-so where did THAT come from if the “Natives” were only from Mongolia? All humans = itchy feet for unknown places, in my opinion...


27 posted on 01/27/2012 11:29:10 AM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Theoria

Now it makes sense, so thats were Chief Borat got his name.


28 posted on 01/27/2012 11:40:32 AM PST by gusty
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To: Theoria

What a bunch of bunk.

What about the many Indian tribes in existence today without outside fertilization throughout Central America to the very tip of South America boarding the South pole.

Don’t feed me that crap.

I was born at noon and not a midnight.


29 posted on 01/27/2012 12:02:04 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (Y)
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To: RJS1950

It is BS. If they are individual nations, then they shouldn’t be allowed to vote in our elections. I mean, we don’t let Mexicans vote in our elections, do we? Oh, wait...


30 posted on 01/27/2012 1:00:30 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

I do believe you are correct-I’ve read about (and seen on some NatGeo and History channel shows) archaelogical and DNA evidence supporting that the ancestors of many of those tribes in Central and South America came by sea from their homes in what is now Europe, Africa and Asia right to the southern part of our continent-no land bridge, no climate change imperative-more like curiosity and an incentive to find more people to trade with for more neat stuff. Maybe that is why those Olmec ancestors went there from Africa, or how that coca and primitive tobacco got to Egypt-it was traded for some desirable goods the people from Africa brought over with them.

Similarities in the making of and designs on excavated pottery and textiles that resemble those in far places at the same time period, and trade goods from all over a more widely civilized world than anyone imagined until recently are being found in ruins of settlements and burial sites all the time.


31 posted on 01/27/2012 2:02:13 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: pabianice
"long before there was a passable land bridge from Russia to Alaska. That their ancestors now demand the earlier remains not be studied is just more proof."

I don't know why nobody thinks these people had the brains to build umiats/kayaks and paddle across the straits. If the Polynesians could cross 3,000 miles of empty ocean, these Altaians could have paddled across the Bering Strait, not to mention their ability to walk across the ice in the winter.

32 posted on 01/27/2012 3:54:34 PM PST by redhead (, , , comedian)
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To: Theoria
Of much interest, especially to family historians. I will peruse more carefully when my computer allows a download to the Daily Mail.

The new break through in defining the DNA into racial groups has cause a politically correct outrage. This is the science of the HAPLOGROUP. You will likely be well aware of this. I will put a little out for those who missed the various items on it, quickly dropped like a hot potato.

Myths are about to be shattered as to ancestry. The average Egyptian male has one percent of the DNA of the Egyptian boy king- Tutankhamen. Much of his lineage lies in the Spanish male population. Seventy percent in all.

The Englishman who volunteered his DNA for Family Tree Magazine, got a surprise. His male ancestry came from where China is today. The female side from Mespotamia.

A nomadic species to be sure. Heresy and "racism" is to deny that the birth of man was in Africa. One anthopologist of thirty years study was howled out of university in the 1960'S for saying the four groups evolved separately.The press very leery of touching this subject. Kennewick Man anyone?

33 posted on 01/27/2012 4:56:21 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Texan5

Thank you for your comments.


34 posted on 01/28/2012 4:43:40 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

You are very welcome-I’ve always been fascinated by the curiosity and ingenuity of our ancestors, especially those who had the skills (and the balls) to figure out that the same boats they used to catch fish could be rigged to be ocean going, and so to travel the whole world. I read about every new discovery with great interest.

I also think the travel and trading reach of the early empires extended much further than we give them credit for. The Romans were such meticulous keepers of the accounts of ocean voyages and the listing of trade goods on their manifests-they and the Greeks before them refer to places previously unknown in those accounts all the time, and a lot of those descriptions of places, people, and the merchandise they traded for sure sound like they were in the Americas.

Since they were trading with places as far as China on a regular basis for everything from concubines and medicinal plants to rice paper and delicacies for the tables of the well-to-do, why wouldn’t they be sailing in the opposite direction for more exotic goods to sell to the Roman Equestrian and Patrician classes all over the Empire who could afford such rare items?


35 posted on 01/28/2012 12:06:21 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Theoria.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


36 posted on 01/28/2012 2:21:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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37 posted on 01/28/2012 2:28:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Theoria

Thanks Theoria, that must be a hot spot, IndoEuropeans came from Central Asia as well.


38 posted on 01/28/2012 2:29:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Theoria

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39 posted on 01/28/2012 2:57:51 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Theoria
It's obvious when you examine the practices of Russian yoga enthusiasts.


40 posted on 01/28/2012 3:02:01 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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